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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
1) Don't leak details of upcoming announcements to anyone 2) Use NDA's with people who do know Slasher is a journalist, his job is to report what he finds out. He is not a talking head for teams to report as they see fit, even though that is what some seem to think a journalist is. | ||
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iamtheoneneo
144 Posts
The panel was completely skewed , I have no idea how that came about but DJWheat seriously needs to look at addressing this so its more than just a show boat for EG members and there egos...theres a whole wealth of teams out there with great players he should be using them alot more! Its just making him look like EG puppet master number 13434, Despite this he did a good job of tempering the discussion and giving slasher a chance. but whatever its all BS, some of these managers, CEOs whatever need to get with the real world. Once again this proves that the only good thing starcraft is now good for is DRAMA! because they certaintly dont understand anything else, and thats embarrassing. GJ all.... | ||
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:22 TheSir wrote: Does Slasher gets more exposure with having a scoop or with a exclusive interview? I would say the first one, i dont care about interviews like that. Players always say the same thing in announcements, just like in any other sport. You can almost do a interview anytime you want with players, a scoop on the other hand.... And improving esports... stop it please, thats not Slasher his concern and it's getting old. Esports is now something where players win a lot of money and in for example SC2 a lot of players dont even help to improve esports, a lot of them dont even watch anything and they dont care. Generally in my opinion, nobody is able to "improve" esports or the community or anything else for that matter... esports and the community will develop, for the better or the worse, we will see. i.e.: slasher wrote the things he wrote - EG was not happy about it - the community argued, discussed it a lot - EG and Slasher got a lot of publicity - EG will maybe rethink the way they wanna handle big announcements - Slasher will maybe rethink the way he publishes news / story information - Maybe Slasher will consult with EG next time - Maybe EG will help out Slasher with exclusive information in return - maybe this all leads to a healthier relationship between teams/companies and the press/media - maybe not - maybe it will be better, maybe it will be worse but it will for sure be a development, and that is at least something | ||
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FilipSRB
Serbia63 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:26 Funkydonky wrote: That's a bad business model, if you can lose one of your biggest sponsors just because your announcement gets leaked (by yourself, because it's your announcement). Why does it matter if it's slasher, if it's leaked someone else will get to it... All i see here is alex garfield trying to bully someone, for his own fuck ups. EG didn't leak anything, and this isn't even about EG it's about the teams that could actually be seriously hurt by this. It's also the only business model for e-sports that exists, so I don't know what the point of that criticism is. Would others report the same leaks? Maybe. They would be just as wrong to do it (while having every right to). | ||
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CiCeRoSC2
United States83 Posts
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:22 TheSir wrote: Does Slasher gets more exposure with having a scoop or with a exclusive interview? I would say the first one, i dont care about interviews like that. Players always say the same thing in announcements, just like in any other sport. You can almost do a interview anytime you want with players, a scoop on the other hand.... And improving esports... stop it please, thats not Slasher his concern and it's getting old. Esports is now something where players win a lot of money and in for example SC2 a lot of players dont even help to improve esports, a lot of them dont even watch anything and they dont care. You do realize that if Slasher concerns himself with improving esports it will help him make more money in the long term, right? I'm not going to argue if what he is doing helps or hurts esports, but if you honestly think Slasher doesn't want Esports to improve you aren't thinking very clearly. The guy has been pretty deeply into the scene for what, 5-6 years? He does care about Esports and wants it to improve on a personal level. And as it improves, and grows, more people will look at his stories, making him more valuable to gamespot(or whoever happens to employ him), making him more money/making his job more stable. You can argue if it is better for him to release the scoop as soon as he can, get in with the organizations, whatever, but everyone who is making a living esports is VERY concerned with its growth and health, because its their livelihood. The people who really don't care about it probably aren't the ones being successful, because it takes too much damn effort to be successful in something and not be passionate about it. I also think that this matter isn't going to make or break esports. In the grand picture it is just a small portion of it. However, it should still be analyzed and closely looked at to make sure its being done in the proper way. The better everyone gets at doing the small things in this industry, the better as a whole it will be. Very few things are make or break, but all added together they can be. People are just far too use to taking everything to the extreme. People need to slow down and start to think more in the grey. If the world was black and white everything would be simple, but its fucking not black and white and it isn't simple. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:39 Sikly wrote: You do realize that if Slasher concerns himself with improving esports it will help him make more money in the long term, right? I'm not going to argue if what he is doing helps or hurts esports, but if you honestly think Slasher doesn't want Esports to improve you aren't thinking very clearly. The guy has been pretty deeply into the scene for what, 5-6 years? He does care about Esports and wants it to improve on a personal level. And as it improves, and grows, more people will look at his stories, making him more valuable to gamespot(or whoever happens to employ him), making him more money/making his job more stable. You can argue if it is better for him to release the scoop as soon as he can, get in with the organizations, whatever, but everyone who is making a living esports is VERY concerned with its growth and health, because its their livelihood. The people who really don't care about it probably aren't the ones being successful, because it takes too much damn effort to be successful in something and not be passionate about it. I also think that this matter isn't going to make or break esports. In the grand picture it is just a small portion of it. However, it should still be analyzed and closely looked at to make sure its being done in the proper way. The better everyone gets at doing the small things in this industry, the better as a whole it will be. Very few things are make or break, but all added together they can be. People are just far too use to taking everything to the extreme. People need to slow down and start to think more in the grey. If the world was black and white everything would be simple, but its fucking not black and white and it isn't simple. Compromising on being an objective journalist will certainly not help him or his career. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:32 Serpico wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/16/editorial-does-esports-understand-journalism/ this is well stated. my only concern with this is that it doesnt offer any compromise. yes, slasher should report on accurate information he receives. however, why not contact EG first and tell them that he has this confidential information and will report on it? if they offer him an incentive to hold the info (e.g., exclusive interview) then its more beneficial to all to have him hold the information, let EG release info and then Slasher releases the interview. sure, slasher may be in the right to publish the information, but help a brother out (and, in turn, help yourself out). | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:32 Serpico wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/16/editorial-does-esports-understand-journalism/ Recommend people read this, editorial on ESPORT journalism by Evan Lahti, Executive Editor for PCGamer.com, BA in Journalism (To the point of having a 'real journalist' comment on what Slasher does) | ||
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crashonly
Finland418 Posts
Do people really think passing NDAs everywhere is realistic with the amount of people who actually get to know this kind of stuff? And, sure, it's Slashers job to report on things that he finds out, the same way it's a paparazzi's job to take pictures of princess's boobies. Seriously, what he's doing is hurting other people, and it doesn't have to. Unless he's just too shit and lazy to do anything else, like, actually work with other people or something. And what is up with his mic? He's had that sound breaking for years and years in like every show he's ever been on. I almost feel like he must be some kind of a master troll just trying to get on everyone's nerves. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:05 EuroRabbit wrote: r/starcraft is a joke. It adds NOTHING to this community but has taken away so much. r/starcraft more or less sent MarineKing to MLG. And that's just one thing, but one thing is all that is needed to prove how stupid that comment was. | ||
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BurninLegion
United States14 Posts
On January 17 2013 07:44 EuroRabbit wrote: Ok so let me help people understand what happens. If you have 5 teams bidding on 1 player and they are all talking to each other, and when 4 of them say "nope, didn't get him" and one remains silent then the teams know who got that player. Even if it isn't that obvious, its easy enough to figure it out when you look at how much a player is asking and what teams are bidding can actually afford this. So what happens is one of the other teams bidding on the player leaks the information in one way or another by talking to someone, who then talks to someone who then talks to Slasher. Once he has more then two sources of information that he can trust, he just goes ahead and plops it out on twitter to kill the hype and surprise that could have been built around it. Now if Slasher wasn't lazy/attention hungry and actually cared about improving esports, what he should have done is gone to EG and said "hey, I know you are acquiring stephano, can I do an exclusive interview?" At that point he then deos an in depth interview with stephano at some point and releases the story just after EG breaks the news to everyone. This type of journalism benefits EVERYONE involved, not just EG, not just the community and not just Slasher. Why is this SO hard for people to understand? Alright buddy, let me try to explain why this is so hard for you to understand. You see, there is a massive logic gap in your argument, because unfortunately you don't seem to understand how money works. Let us propose a hypothetical. Let us say that you and EG successfully convince the community to pressure Slasher into stopping breaking news early. The confetti falls from the ceiling, everyone shouts HURRAY FOR E-SPORTS, iNcontroL gets laid, and everyone is filled with happy contentment. About a month later, someone else notices that EG is still leaking information left and right like a diarrhetic old man. Alex has stated multiple times about how that information is literally money to him, and how we should feel so bad for poor old EG who's struggling so hard to....sorry, got off-topic. Point is, that dude (let's call him Journalist) has found some money lying around. Does he go to EG and give them the information? Fuck no! He takes that information, perhaps he writes something, perhaps not, and releases it out into the wild for the world to see! Gradually, he finds more and more information, and builds credibility for himself as people trust the information that he releases. Perhaps he gets a job at Gamespot. Basically, Journalist is Slasher 2.0. But why is the information money you ask? Because, my dear sir, you want it! And I want it! And YOU reading this want it. That's right. You the viewer and consumer of E-Sports wants to know this shit as soon as possible because it's really fucking cool. If you didn't, you wouldn't fucking follow Slasher on twitter and we wouldn't have a problem! That my friend, is why Slasher exists. And why someone, or perhaps even multiple people, like Slasher will always exist. There is a market for this information. If EG can't find a way to keep their information under wraps then they're fucked, doesn't matter. Someone will report it unless you can find a way to stop wanting information. Basically turn off curiosity. I guess we could have that discussion for the GOOD OF E-SPORTS but that's a separate conversation from getting mad at Slasher for releasing shit that EG left lying around. | ||
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Shaddar
675 Posts
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:32 Serpico wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/16/editorial-does-esports-understand-journalism/ This just in: Game journalist sides with other game journalist in argument about the role of journalism. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:49 HorsemasterK wrote: This just in: Game journalist sides with other game journalist in argument about the role of journalism. Pretty relevant when one party in the discussion insists that "Any real journalist would disagree with you and what you do". Alex asked for 'real' journalists oppinions and here you go. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:32 Serpico wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/16/editorial-does-esports-understand-journalism/ While his points are valid (and its one of the reasons why originally I was on Slashers side), he dsn't actually take into account how Slasher posts his 'news' and the negative impact this has on a very small community. If eSports was as big or even half as big as anyother main sport or olypic level sport, then this debate wouldn't be happening becasue the scene would be proven stable and big enough to manage with things like that. | ||
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drklebitz
Australia1 Post
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:39 Sikly wrote: You do realize that if Slasher concerns himself with improving esports it will help him make more money in the long term, right? I'm not going to argue if what he is doing helps or hurts esports, but if you honestly think Slasher doesn't want Esports to improve you aren't thinking very clearly. The guy has been pretty deeply into the scene for what, 5-6 years? He does care about Esports and wants it to improve on a personal level. And as it improves, and grows, more people will look at his stories, making him more valuable to gamespot(or whoever happens to employ him), making him more money/making his job more stable. You can argue if it is better for him to release the scoop as soon as he can, get in with the organizations, whatever, but everyone who is making a living esports is VERY concerned with its growth and health, because its their livelihood. The people who really don't care about it probably aren't the ones being successful, because it takes too much damn effort to be successful in something and not be passionate about it. I also think that this matter isn't going to make or break esports. In the grand picture it is just a small portion of it. However, it should still be analyzed and closely looked at to make sure its being done in the proper way. The better everyone gets at doing the small things in this industry, the better as a whole it will be. Very few things are make or break, but all added together they can be. People are just far too use to taking everything to the extreme. People need to slow down and start to think more in the grey. If the world was black and white everything would be simple, but its fucking not black and white and it isn't simple. I understand what your saying and i dont disagree with you but people who are saying that Slasher should do or not do something in the name of esports is just ridiculous. Thats all im saying, Slasher does enough good things for esports and that is confirmed by the fact he's one of the few full time paid esport journalists. And if he didn't care he wouldn't have been one but you dont have to do everything for the good of esports and then there's the hole discussion if this even affects esports in a negative way. | ||
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