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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:00 coverpunch wrote: In fairness, people have plenty of similar criticism for ESPN, the New York Times, the Financial Times, Fox News, etc., particularly with online advertising and PR. Except for the fact that in those organisations, advertising isn't 90%++ of the whole business model. | ||
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EuroRabbit
United States39 Posts
On January 17 2013 08:46 Nimic wrote: r/starcraft more or less sent MarineKing to MLG. And that's just one thing, but one thing is all that is needed to prove how stupid that comment was. r/starcraft as of right now is more or less a circlejerk for hate and ignorance. At least on TL when the pitchforks come out and people start flaming members of the community, that kind of stuff gets clamped down on. But on reddit it spreads like a virus. People just massively upvoting or downvoting people based on their opinion. Its more or less a place right now for iditos to get together and just blindly hate on people. Just look at how much people love destiny in those threads, everything he says just gets upvoted to the top of the pile because of his legions of childish retarded fan boys. Just look at how much ate Alex/EG is getting over there, yet NO ONE says anything about TotalBiscuit even though he mirrored the majority of things that Alex said. If r/starcraft disappeared tomorrow, this community would be better off. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:28 Ballack wrote: Except for the fact that in those organisations, advertising isn't 90%++ of the whole business model. ESPN, NYT, Fin. Times, Fox News, etc. not getting most of their money from advertising? really? | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:28 MuseMike wrote: So you are saying Slasher can't make money but teams can? Maybe the teams need to NDA information like every other industry does. I'm saying Slasher can make Money in other areas such as writing good articles and using his position as an insider in other ways. What he is currently doing doesn't help the sport at all, unless the teamowner knows exactly how to use him for, which seems to be the case with TB, at least from what he said on the show. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ESPN, NYT, Fin. Times, Fox News, etc. not getting most of their money from advertising? really? No not the News channels, the teams or the actors holding the information. Edit: In areas similar to Esports, I think the criticism of ESPN etc is valid. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:31 Ballack wrote: I'm saying Slasher can make Money in other areas such as writing good articles and using his position as an insider in other ways. What he is currently doing doesn't help the sport at all, unless the teamowner knows exactly how to use him for, which seems to be the case with TB, at least from what he said on the show. slasher is beholden to his boss, not to ESPORTS. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote: Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. I agree with you that Slasher made his points very poorly, but I don't see the distinction for why Slasher should not scoop a team because they're dependent on ad revenue. It's incumbent on EG to protect their news, not on Slasher to not report it if he finds it. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:33 dAPhREAk wrote: slasher is beholden to his boss, not to ESPORTS. Which is fine, but then let that be foundation, I feel like Slasher tries to eat his cake and have it to by suggesting what he does doesn't cause damage to esports as a whole. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:31 Ballack wrote: I'm saying Slasher can make Money in other areas such as writing good articles and using his position as an insider in other ways. What he is currently doing doesn't help the sport at all, unless the teamowner knows exactly how to use him for, which seems to be the case with TB, at least from what he said on the show. Esports is not a charity. You can't say that one person should make money and another can. If he finds out information froma third party then EG needs to tighten their ship up. There is a reason people have NDAs. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:33 coverpunch wrote: I agree with you that Slasher made his points very poorly, but I don't see the distinction for why Slasher should not scoop a team because they're dependent on ad revenue. It's incumbent on EG to protect their news, not on Slasher to not report it if he finds it. But Slasher has a job because the teams are there. If there are no teams, then there is no esports. And if what he does hurts the teams, he's shooting himself in the foot. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:36 MuseMike wrote: Esports is not a charity. You can't say that one person should make money and another can. If he finds out information froma third party then EG needs to tighten their ship up. There is a reason people have NDAs. Well what you responded to pretty explicitly said that he can make money without hurting the industry he is working for, which in term hurts him and his profitability. Like what do you think teams want, exposure. If you get exposure you get sponsors. As Garfield said that's what the esports economy if you will is based upon. Slasher needs to be careful not to actively hurt the teams' profitability. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
Slasher points out that it happens a lot in other industries but nobody has ever made such a request to him. Alex seems to disagree with that but his examples aren't direct. | ||
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BlackPearl
United States13 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote: Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:37 Ballack wrote: But Slasher has a job because the teams are there. If there are no teams, then there is no esports. And if what he does hurts the teams, he's shooting himself in the foot. You're making two points that are untrue. First off, there can still be e-sports without teams because the content is the games, not the teams. What he's doing is arguably hurting the hype of players moving to teams (and their ad revenue) but he's not affecting the outcome of games or interest in them. | ||
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BlackPearl
United States13 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:30 EuroRabbit wrote: r/starcraft as of right now is more or less a circlejerk for hate and ignorance. At least on TL when the pitchforks come out and people start flaming members of the community, that kind of stuff gets clamped down on. But on reddit it spreads like a virus. People just massively upvoting or downvoting people based on their opinion. Its more or less a place right now for iditos to get together and just blindly hate on people. Just look at how much people love destiny in those threads, everything he says just gets upvoted to the top of the pile because of his legions of childish retarded fan boys. Just look at how much ate Alex/EG is getting over there, yet NO ONE says anything about TotalBiscuit even though he mirrored the majority of things that Alex said. If r/starcraft disappeared tomorrow, this community would be better off. You forget the fact that Alex asked people to post on reddit. It kind of backfired on him. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:37 Ballack wrote: But Slasher has a job because the teams are there. If there are no teams, then there is no esports. And if what he does hurts the teams, he's shooting himself in the foot. If Slasher is doing his hob right and legally, that's not a consideration. Mind you I'm not saying he is or isn't hurting the scene. My point is he can't and shouldn't worry about that if he wants to his job in the right manner. If Slasher or any other esports journalist for that matter, uncovers some info that could possibly bring the whole scene down in one night, should they not report it? Should they ignore and hide it and keep their jobs going? Or should they do their job and cover it and fulfill their responsibility to us, the fans, and report the news? | ||
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Me jan
Sweden72 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:38 Exarl25 wrote: He is being a complete hypocrite by calling Slasher selfish. Alex is also only thinking of his own interests here. Does anyone think for a second that he would be getting this worked up about it if it weren't HIS information being leaked? And justifying it by resorting to the old "killing esports" as if that and his own interests are one and the same. Agreed. If Garfield was just gonna yell at him and have no intrest in constructive debate then he shouldn't have taken that discussion on cam. I feel like the agenda was just to start a campaign against Slasher. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On January 17 2013 09:39 Ballack wrote: Well what you responded to pretty explicitly said that he can make money without hurting the industry he is working for, which in term hurts him and his profitability. Like what do you think teams want, exposure. If you get exposure you get sponsors. As Garfield said that's what the esports economy if you will is based upon. Slasher needs to be careful not to actively hurt the teams' profitability. That's not Rod's problem or responsibility. He is not beholden to the teams or their profitability. Are they paying him? No they aren't. So their bottom line isn't or shouldn't be his concern and can't factor into whether he covers a story or not. | ||
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