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On January 17 2013 11:06 M,J,Y wrote:
I believe both EG and Slasher ( somewhat) are in the right for what they did, Lets be real all journalist report news thats important and leaked from a reliable source, its his job to get the news and report it.
On the other hand like Alex said, this isnt like the world of "real" sports. E-sport teams rely so much more from internet views to support sponsors that effectively stealing the spot light or buzz on a announcement is going to hurt them and in quite a volatile industry there is somewhat of a unspoken rule / internet meme that if you "hurt" e-sports you're going to get allot of hate.
What Slasher has to understand is , yes hes in the right to do what he has done but its not his only option and probably not his best option for views and his reputation. In such a small tight community that is heavily effect by this somewhat standard journalist practice Slasher should not be surprised at all that he will be burning bridges very quickly.
People say Alex Garfield over reacted and yes he probably did since hes the main man of EG but he express that hes constantly having this battle with Slasher and has been trying to embargo Slasher , even offering exclusive content in return but is constantly denied or ignored and Slasher chooses to break the news which only benefits himself over an option which benefits them both.
Again Slasher has EVERY right to choose himself over EG , hell hes not there puppet but ill echo this again you will burn all relationships you have when you piss teams off like this.
Garfield is notorious for being a whiny baby on matters like this. Slasher did not get the information from EG so it doesn't really affect him. In reality EG needs a tighter ship. The industry will not change for Mr. Garfield, the industry will behave like every other industry in the world, because that is how markets and people work.
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On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes.
So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple.
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On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple.
That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it.
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if the announcement is so damn important, don't leak the information.
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On January 17 2013 10:45 Mohdoo wrote:My apologies if this has been posted before, but there are a lot of pages. Carmac spoke very well on this issue. Show nested quote +There is a huge debate going on about whether or not Rod “Slasher” Breslau did a good thing to break news about Team EG’s new LoL team before they broke it themselves. EG disputes that Slasher has effectively taken away from EG’s exposure (which is true) and seems to be of the opinion that what Slasher did was immoral.
Whether it was immoral or not is not relevant at all. Whether this benefited no one except Slasher is not relevant at all. Businesses (EG among them) act primarily in a selfish manner. That is how it works.
They can’t lobotomize Slasher to make him stop breaking news stories. They can’t sue him because he did not do anything illegal. Even if they somehow make Slasher go away, there will be someone else doing the same thing eventually. EG are the biggest and most successful team and media attention comes with the territory.
Essentially, to be angry with Slasher is to be angry with how the world works. It does not matter if what he did was immoral. There’s always going to be another Slasher. To fix their issue, EG would have to fix the world. Much easier to keep your secrets truly secret.
If Slasher broke a story on an announcement I was preparing, I would be very angry as well. With myself. http://mbcarmac.com/post/40699342319/this-slasher-thing
This is pretty much how it is. Carmac > whiners
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On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it.
You mention trust. You really think someone told Slasher thinking he wouldn't leak it!?!?!?
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On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it.
That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes.
Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak.
Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens.
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On January 17 2013 11:15 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. You mention trust. You really think someone told Slasher thinking he wouldn't leak it!?!?!?
Yeah. You honestly think eSports players have undergone PR training by their management about how to deal with journalists?
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On January 17 2013 11:15 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes. Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak. Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens.
How the world outside eSports works isn't relevant. This is how eSports has worked thus far.
What bridge did he burn? Do you realise how difficult it would be to do eSports journalism if you were boycotted by every team?? You won't be able to do anything aside from opinion articles, match recaps and quoted chunks of interviews done by OTHER journalists. You won't be able to produce any piece of work that is worth reading to a reader.
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On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes.
Guess what? That's how it works in the real world and "real sports." Slasher is well aware that he treads a thin line between breaking news and alienating his sources -- just like any real journalist. Getting blackballed in an industry is neither novel or unique, it happens all the time to the beat writers for a sports team. Nor is it wrong nor right; teams have a right to protect their own interests, just as Slasher has a right to report on the news.
If anything, the focus should be on how teams sustain interest and popularity in their lineups. Relying so heavily on the hits and hype generated by one-shot signings and "announcements of announcements" is indicative of a systemic problem with the industry as a whole.
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Can anyone say what slasher leaked? I missed it...
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Muse you should know that leaked info can come from anywhere and be not EG ( in this example) fault at all, A ilp or a mlg slipping in a players new team with their name or what have you.
But getting back to my point, in the real world journalist get blacklist all the time for betraying the trust or just pissing off "real" sports teams.
And you can't go around saying well EG fucked up because you and i have no idea where Slasher got his info from, like i said both parties have taken the stance they naturally would. Nobody should be surprised.
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On January 17 2013 11:21 nmetasch wrote:
Can anyone say what slasher leaked? I missed it...
He leaked a few transfers before the official transfer news were announced by respective teams.
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On January 17 2013 11:20 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:15 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes. Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak. Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens. How the world outside eSports works isn't relevant. This is how eSports has worked thus far. What bridge did he burn? Do you realise how difficult it would be to do eSports journalism if you were boycotted by every team?? You won't be able to do anything aside from opinion articles, match recaps and quoted chunks of interviews done by OTHER journalists. You won't be able to produce any piece of work that is worth reading to a reader.
So the next guy comes around and does what Slasher does. Then he gets boycotted and it keeps going. SOMEONE will always do what Slasher does. If there is profit to be made, someone will perform the action that will receive such profit.
How the world outside e-sports matters, as more money comes in the market grows and becomes like most other markets out there.
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On January 17 2013 11:22 M,J,Y wrote:
Muse you should know that leaked info can come from anywhere and be not EG ( in this example) fault at all, A ilp or a mlg slipping in a players new team with their name or what have you.
But getting back to my point, in the real world journalist get blacklist all the time for betraying the trust or just pissing off "real" sports teams.
And you can't go around saying well EG fucked up because you and i have no idea where Slasher got his info from, like i said both parties have taken the stance they naturally would. Nobody should be surprised.
Slasher did not betray any trust. EG gave out information and fucked up. EG is mad Slasher did his job.
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On January 17 2013 11:23 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:20 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:15 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes. Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak. Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens. How the world outside eSports works isn't relevant. This is how eSports has worked thus far. What bridge did he burn? Do you realise how difficult it would be to do eSports journalism if you were boycotted by every team?? You won't be able to do anything aside from opinion articles, match recaps and quoted chunks of interviews done by OTHER journalists. You won't be able to produce any piece of work that is worth reading to a reader. So the next guy comes around and does what Slasher does. Then he gets boycotted and it keeps going. SOMEONE will always do what Slasher does. If there is profit to be made, someone will perform the action that will receive such profit. How the world outside e-sports matters, as more money comes in the market grows and becomes like most other markets out there.
Doing eSports journalism is tough enough to make money as it is. Throwing your entire career in the industry away just for a couple extra hits on ONE piece of news is incredibly stupid.
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On January 17 2013 11:25 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:23 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:20 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:15 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes. Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak. Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens. How the world outside eSports works isn't relevant. This is how eSports has worked thus far. What bridge did he burn? Do you realise how difficult it would be to do eSports journalism if you were boycotted by every team?? You won't be able to do anything aside from opinion articles, match recaps and quoted chunks of interviews done by OTHER journalists. You won't be able to produce any piece of work that is worth reading to a reader. So the next guy comes around and does what Slasher does. Then he gets boycotted and it keeps going. SOMEONE will always do what Slasher does. If there is profit to be made, someone will perform the action that will receive such profit. How the world outside e-sports matters, as more money comes in the market grows and becomes like most other markets out there. Doing eSports journalism is tough enough to make money as it is. Throwing your entire career in the industry away just for a couple extra hits on ONE piece of news is incredibly stupid.
Which is why Slasher didn't do that. He did not get the information from EG and they did not give him the information based on the fact that they could break the story first. He found out from a third party.
Read what Carmac said because it is the truth. He has no obligation to EG in this instance and anyone thinking that he does is misguided. EG does not own the information at that point.
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On January 17 2013 11:21 nmetasch wrote:
Can anyone say what slasher leaked? I missed it...
To go into more detail, he leaked on twitter Jaedong was going to EG a while back. Then again with Stephano and a Axiom player.
Points were made that JD and Stephano would carry their own hype regardless and Axiom was planned by TB for hype ( 100% worked) He also lazily leaked Snute going to TL and which pissed of Victor ( according to Alex ) and killed the hype.
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On January 17 2013 11:26 M,J,Y wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:21 nmetasch wrote:
Can anyone say what slasher leaked? I missed it... To go into more detail, he leaked on twitter Jaedong was going to EG a while back. Then again with Stephano and a Axiom player. Points were made that JD and Stephano would carry their own hype regardless and Axiom was planned by TB for hype ( 100% worked) He also lazily leaked Snute going to TL and which pissed of Victor ( according to Alex ) and killed the hype.
Why is it just coming up now? Those are all a week to weeks to months old..
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On January 17 2013 11:26 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:25 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:23 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:20 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:15 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:11 S_SienZ wrote:On January 17 2013 11:10 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 11:07 S_SienZ wrote:
What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes. So lets say Slasher doesn't do it anymore. Someone will take his place and do what he used to do. People would pounce at the opportunity for the hits. It is that simple. That someone would first have to get to a position of Slasher, get the trust of people in the industry before being actually capable of leaking. 1 news leak and the industry shuns him, he's done. If someone actually wants to burn a bridge like that, especially in such a tight knit community, so be it. That's not how the real world works. There are many people who would fill Slasher's role if he was not around. What bridge did he burn? EG fucked up and they are trying to pass the buck. All that is happening is that EG looks like assholes. Whoever gave Slasher the information said it was okay to leak. Bottom Line: EG does their job this never happens. How the world outside eSports works isn't relevant. This is how eSports has worked thus far. What bridge did he burn? Do you realise how difficult it would be to do eSports journalism if you were boycotted by every team?? You won't be able to do anything aside from opinion articles, match recaps and quoted chunks of interviews done by OTHER journalists. You won't be able to produce any piece of work that is worth reading to a reader. So the next guy comes around and does what Slasher does. Then he gets boycotted and it keeps going. SOMEONE will always do what Slasher does. If there is profit to be made, someone will perform the action that will receive such profit. How the world outside e-sports matters, as more money comes in the market grows and becomes like most other markets out there. Doing eSports journalism is tough enough to make money as it is. Throwing your entire career in the industry away just for a couple extra hits on ONE piece of news is incredibly stupid. Which is why Slasher didn't do that. He did not get the information from EG and they did not give him the information based on the fact that they could break the story first. He found out from a third party. Read what Carmac said because it is the truth. He has no obligation to EG in this instance and anyone thinking that he does is misguided. EG does not own the information at that point.
I'm not talking at all about obligation. I'm completely aware that what Slasher did, he's entitled to do.
I'm saying that Slasher is doing neither himself or the industry (moreso for up and coming journalists) any long term favours.
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