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On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:
Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left.
I actually don't disagree with that. What I am reacting to is that Slasher tries to make it sound like what he does is good for the scene, and that's where my main dispute lies.
Now I also think that him hurting teams ends up hurting himself is a separate and not as important of an argument. That can be debatable.
What I'm saying is that he should not try to sugarcoat it. Say it is your job and you do it because you want to complete the objectives you have received in the best way you know how to.
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On January 17 2013 09:51 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:39 Ballack wrote:On January 17 2013 09:36 MuseMike wrote:
Esports is not a charity. You can't say that one person should make money and another can. If he finds out information froma third party then EG needs to tighten their ship up. There is a reason people have NDAs. Well what you responded to pretty explicitly said that he can make money without hurting the industry he is working for, which in term hurts him and his profitability. Like what do you think teams want, exposure. If you get exposure you get sponsors. As Garfield said that's what the esports economy if you will is based upon. Slasher needs to be careful not to actively hurt the teams' profitability. That's not Rod's problem or responsibility. He is not beholden to the teams or their profitability. Are they paying him? No they aren't. So their bottom line isn't or shouldn't be his concern and can't factor into whether he covers a story or not.
The point of all this seems to elude you. I'm not suggesting that what Slasher does is in any way illegal or inherently wrong. What I'm saying and said from the start is that Slasher cannot try to make it seem like he's not in it to gain himself and Gamespot, and so he should be upfront about that and say it like it is.
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Can't understand how this has generated such a heated debate...
Slasher reporting on player trades before an official announcement is a form of journalism, that cannot be debated. However, by doing this is he potentially burning his own bridges and, (lets stem the EG hate train for a second) potentially derailing vital interest from organisations? Yes, he is.
Are EG worried about financial hits? Yes, why wouldn't they be.. debating that is retarded.
Are EG making a valid point in terms of the impact these potential financial hits can have over smaller organisations? Yes, totally.. and believe it or not, advertising does make up a huge chunk of e-sport income, claims of "esports is laughable if simple journalism is bringing it down" are plain stupid, stop being deluded, the majority of organisations and figures involved with esports are 'small' and advertising and viewership over announcement are crucial for development.
And to conclude, there's nothing wrong with Slasher leaking news from a journalistic point of view, however, what he's doing does have consequences, whether he wants to run with these or not is his call. However, someone leaking news which is bound to break anyway comes across as quite lazy to me.. journalism is also about discovering and breaking the news which ISN'T about to be announced, as well as presenting and writing up quality articles about current affairs in the sc2 world. Whilst we can't say what Slasher is doing is wrong, all of those 'leaping to his defence' and casting him as a figure of free speech (amidst other bullshit comparisons) need to take a step back and realise that this is a guy simply reporting facts which he comes across extremely easily.. when he starts showing journalistic initiative and effort (for lack of a better word) then he should earn the right to act as he is doing.
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On January 17 2013 09:55 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:51 Slider954 wrote:On January 17 2013 09:39 Ballack wrote:On January 17 2013 09:36 MuseMike wrote:
Esports is not a charity. You can't say that one person should make money and another can. If he finds out information froma third party then EG needs to tighten their ship up. There is a reason people have NDAs. Well what you responded to pretty explicitly said that he can make money without hurting the industry he is working for, which in term hurts him and his profitability. Like what do you think teams want, exposure. If you get exposure you get sponsors. As Garfield said that's what the esports economy if you will is based upon. Slasher needs to be careful not to actively hurt the teams' profitability. That's not Rod's problem or responsibility. He is not beholden to the teams or their profitability. Are they paying him? No they aren't. So their bottom line isn't or shouldn't be his concern and can't factor into whether he covers a story or not. The point of all this seems to elude you. I'm not suggesting that what Slasher does is in any way illegal or inherently wrong. What I'm saying and said from the start is that Slasher cannot try to make it seem like he's not in it to gain himself and Gamespot, and so he should be upfront about that and say it like it is.
Are you serious? Everyone is out to gain for themselves, E-Sports is not a charity. Welcome to the real world, Slasher shouldn't have to state basis human motivations.
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On January 17 2013 09:55 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:51 Slider954 wrote:On January 17 2013 09:39 Ballack wrote:On January 17 2013 09:36 MuseMike wrote:
Esports is not a charity. You can't say that one person should make money and another can. If he finds out information froma third party then EG needs to tighten their ship up. There is a reason people have NDAs. Well what you responded to pretty explicitly said that he can make money without hurting the industry he is working for, which in term hurts him and his profitability. Like what do you think teams want, exposure. If you get exposure you get sponsors. As Garfield said that's what the esports economy if you will is based upon. Slasher needs to be careful not to actively hurt the teams' profitability. That's not Rod's problem or responsibility. He is not beholden to the teams or their profitability. Are they paying him? No they aren't. So their bottom line isn't or shouldn't be his concern and can't factor into whether he covers a story or not. The point of all this seems to elude you. I'm not suggesting that what Slasher does is in any way illegal or inherently wrong. What I'm saying and said from the start is that Slasher cannot try to make it seem like he's not in it to gain himself and Gamespot, and so he should be upfront about that and say it like it is.
Of course he is in it to gain eyeballs from himself and Gamespot. That's what every news outlet of every type wants, more people reading, watching, listening to THEIR stories. Its implied and inherent to their job. Slasher doesn't need to state it or have a disclaimer every time he covers a story. Its what his job is.
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On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left.
Well since PC gamer as a magazine is very much going under and don't have anywhere near the reach they once did, I'm not sure you should be looking to them for an example of knowing how to be successful.
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On January 17 2013 09:30 EuroRabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 08:46 Nimic wrote:On January 17 2013 08:05 EuroRabbit wrote:On January 17 2013 08:01 Nimic wrote:On January 17 2013 07:53 zefreak wrote:
i'm a regular reader of r/starcraft and it can be quite the cesspool, not to say that TL doesn't act the same way sometimes (obviously there is crossover between communities).
The kind of hate that DJ Wheat and InControl/Idra get over there, when they didn't even do anything controversial this time, is absurd. It's a giant echo chamber and they celebrate it (commonly referencing the circle jerk).
If there's one thing the internet does well it is reveal insights about human nature and psychology, not all of it pleasant. Completely missing the irony of this very thing happening in this thread (and on TL in general) in regards to Reddit. There's some really stupid shit said on r/starcraft sometimes, but there's also some really stupid shit said on TL. TL might be marginally better, due to the forum format. Just completely disregarding an entire community (125k subscribers, probably many more who read and comment regularly) is at least as bad as whatever unsavory flavor-of-the-day thing happens to be said on Reddit. The hypocrisy is astounding. And that goes for r/starcraft as well, too often. r/starcraft is a joke. It adds NOTHING to this community but has taken away so much. r/starcraft more or less sent MarineKing to MLG. And that's just one thing, but one thing is all that is needed to prove how stupid that comment was. r/starcraft as of right now is more or less a circlejerk for hate and ignorance. At least on TL when the pitchforks come out and people start flaming members of the community, that kind of stuff gets clamped down on. But on reddit it spreads like a virus. People just massively upvoting or downvoting people based on their opinion. Its more or less a place right now for iditos to get together and just blindly hate on people. Just look at how much people love destiny in those threads, everything he says just gets upvoted to the top of the pile because of his legions of childish retarded fan boys. Just look at how much ate Alex/EG is getting over there, yet NO ONE says anything about TotalBiscuit even though he mirrored the majority of things that Alex said. If r/starcraft disappeared tomorrow, this community would be better off.
TB wasn't good eather and not mature to his age imo, but TB kinda got into the shadow since he wasn't as offensive as Garfield was. I also believe it makes more controversy with a CEO of a wellknown team behaving like that...
This is not hate on EG or Garfield thread. It's discussion since EG claim journalist to opporate in a way that fits them, wich imo are wrong because
1, who are (name) to tell how someopne else should work? how is that justified?
2, (name) were being offensive and out of line.
3, not taking any responsability as a team
4, doesn't understand their own roles or what a journalist does. -->hence the startingpoint of the discussion made no sence, and was from beginning til end biased.
hopefully they can work it out some how...
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On January 17 2013 10:00 Vertigro wrote:
And to conclude, there's nothing wrong with Slasher leaking news from a journalistic point of view, however, what he's doing does have consequences, whether he wants to run with these or not is his call. However, someone leaking news which is bound to break anyway comes across as quite lazy to me.. journalism is also about discovering and breaking the news which ISN'T about to be announced, as well as presenting and writing up quality articles about current affairs in the sc2 world. Whilst we can't say what Slasher is doing is wrong, all of those 'leaping to his defence' and casting him as a figure of free speech (amidst other bullshit comparisons) need to take a step back and realise that this is a guy simply reporting facts which he comes across extremely easily.. when he starts showing journalistic initiative and effort (for lack of a better word) then he should earn the right to act as he is doing.
Talking about high-quality editorials is a red herring in this discussion. The question is whether Slasher should scoop organizations who want to build hype.
We need to clarify that Slasher is not leaking anything because he's not an insider.
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On January 17 2013 10:00 Vertigro wrote:
Can't understand how this has generated such a heated debate...
Slasher reporting on player trades before an official announcement is a form of journalism, that cannot be debated. However, by doing this is he potentially burning his own bridges and, (lets stem the EG hate train for a second) potentially derailing vital interest from organisations? Yes, he is.
Are EG worried about financial hits? Yes, why wouldn't they be.. debating that is retarded.
Are EG making a valid point in terms of the impact these potential financial hits can have over smaller organisations? Yes, totally.. and believe it or not, advertising does make up a huge chunk of e-sport income, claims of "esports is laughable if simple journalism is bringing it down" are plain stupid, stop being deluded, the majority of organisations and figures involved with esports are 'small' and advertising and viewership over announcement are crucial for development.
And to conclude, there's nothing wrong with Slasher leaking news from a journalistic point of view, however, what he's doing does have consequences, whether he wants to run with these or not is his call. However, someone leaking news which is bound to break anyway comes across as quite lazy to me.. journalism is also about discovering and breaking the news which ISN'T about to be announced, as well as presenting and writing up quality articles about current affairs in the sc2 world. Whilst we can't say what Slasher is doing is wrong, all of those 'leaping to his defence' and casting him as a figure of free speech (amidst other bullshit comparisons) need to take a step back and realise that this is a guy simply reporting facts which he comes across extremely easily.. when he starts showing journalistic initiative and effort (for lack of a better word) then he should earn the right to act as he is doing.
The reason you can't understand why this is a heated debate is because you are more rational than most people on the forums. Most people can't consider anything related to EG without a wild propensity for drama.
Don't let that discourage you though, I for one find it refreshing to see people using their brains every now and then.
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On January 17 2013 03:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:20 TheKefka wrote:On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. The problem is that if he doesn't say it someone else will and than you and him will be left looking like complete idiots because people in esports handle information like a 5$ hooker in a frat house party. It's astounding how you,Alex Garfield and the whole EG organization as it seems can sit there and blame Slasher for your fuck up which was to let the information leak in the first place.Give me a fucking break. Even if everyone stops talking to Rod the fucking information GETS LEAKED AGAIN,it doesn't need to be Slasher that gets to it first but someone else will and eventually it will come to Slasher again.Like who the fuck does EG think they are for telling Slasher they are going force people to not ever talk to him again. its impossible to actually keep a lid on information in esports because so many parties have to be involved in anything that would be worth leaking. so no one at all tells anything important to random idiots who cant be trusted. people talk to slasher because he does do legitimate journalism, as with the thorzain interview where he cooperated with eg. the entire point of this is that people are going to choose to not tell him anything if he keeps using information like this. its not like alex is threatening other team owners into this, jason lake from complexity tweeted something exactly along those lines when the drama first hit twitter and nazul was unhappy about the snute leak. you can hardly blame eg when everyone is pissed off about the way he's acting and is working together to stop it.
Whoa whoa whoa. I totally thought that slasher is a genius. Like he has to be 3 times as smart at information as people like obama and 5 times as smart as like kgb and cia people like Putin. How on earth is it that like slasher would ever do something that would ever hurt his image. I cannot believe this. Slasher is a genius everybody (just not the evil kind.) derp derp
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On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:
Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left.
This argument is simply invalid. The same is true of every other job, legal or not, good or not. The hit-man is "just doing his job" And it may be legal to manage a telemarketing business, or a spam email business, but that does not mean that I am going to be your friend because you're "just doing your job", or that I'm ever going to do business with you. I feel for Alex, his business is being pretty badly damaged by this, and by Slasher in particular, and Slasher is entirely unapologetic. Slasher doesn't say anything more than "that's my job" and "That's what journalism is". If that is what journalism is - then don't do it. And if you do do it, then your a jerk and I'm not going to have anything more to do with you.
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On January 17 2013 09:31 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:28 MuseMike wrote:On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument.
So you are saying Slasher can't make money but teams can? Maybe the teams need to NDA information like every other industry does. I'm saying Slasher can make Money in other areas such as writing good articles and using his position as an insider in other ways. What he is currently doing doesn't help the sport at all, unless the teamowner knows exactly how to use him for, which seems to be the case with TB, at least from what he said on the show.
hm...
EG: Team/Company. Goal: be profitable/make as much money as possible with their products/services. Product/Services: Entertainment in esports (including information and news, which is however not their main product)
Slasher/Press. Goal: be profitable/make as much money as possible with their products/services. Product/Services: Valid Information, Valid News (in the field of esports).
EG: Gets mad because slasher/press sells the same product to the same demographic they wanted it to sell to, therefore not making as much money as possible (but still some) 
Slasher/Press: Beats competition by being the first to provide the product: makes as much money as possible 
If Slasher waited for EG to publish their product: EG--> as much money as possible I Slasher --> no money at all
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On January 17 2013 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left. Well since PC gamer as a magazine is very much going under and don't have anywhere near the reach they once did, I'm not sure you should be looking to them for an example of knowing how to be successful.
Whoa TB, using logic and facts in this thread is really questionable. Are you telling me print media's days are numbered and we shouldn't be looking to them for examples of how to make it big?
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Really interesting discussion about the different perspectives of journalism, but not new in any sense, except that it involves esports. There has always been a struggle between journalist and governments/corporations, its how the entire Public Relations field was founded and esports uses common forms of PR with its own unique twist, such as with EG having players represent them in the public/talk shows in a much more personal way than you see traditional sports.
Slasher comes from the perspective of a independent/freelance journalism, which has been one of the most influential types of journalism this world has ever known with its main goal being to inform or spread the truth, regardless of what anyone thinks, which is exactly what he does. This is where I see the conflict stemming from, journalistic philosophy vs private/personal interest.
Lets look at Alex Garfield now, he is a CEO of one of the biggest and most profitable teams western esports has ever seen, hell I think they could be considered the one and only esports empire. But when you are the CEO the most important thing(imo) is making money, reinvesting, and growing. And Slasher's style directly conflicts with the goals of not only EG but of every corporation or team out their in regards to PR, its how independent journalism works and what makes it special.
As someone who follows many different independent and freelance journalist daily it becomes evident how essential they are in helping to get a realistic look from an insider perspective and that's why I find it so invaluable. I hope Slasher keeps doing what he's doing. I think the main thing that gets lost in the conflict is that its all about information and knowledge not about how or when its presented. Which is why social media is such a valuable tool, I can find out whats happening in Gaza, Cairo, Kenya just by getting on twitter, we are in a new age of information and communication instead of corporations trying to adjust those around them, they should change the way they work and adjust themselves to the world around them.
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On January 17 2013 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left. Well since PC gamer as a magazine is very much going under and don't have anywhere near the reach they once did, I'm not sure you should be looking to them for an example of knowing how to be successful.
ÉDIT: misread, incredible hard to read quotes which have other levels of quotes in them T.T
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On January 17 2013 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left. Well since PC gamer as a magazine is very much going under and don't have anywhere near the reach they once did, I'm not sure you should be looking to them for an example of knowing how to be successful.
Wow, print is going the way of the dinosaurs? Nahhh man, no way. Better consult TB on integrity and success.
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My apologies if this has been posted before, but there are a lot of pages. Carmac spoke very well on this issue.
There is a huge debate going on about whether or not Rod “Slasher” Breslau did a good thing to break news about Team EG’s new LoL team before they broke it themselves. EG disputes that Slasher has effectively taken away from EG’s exposure (which is true) and seems to be of the opinion that what Slasher did was immoral.
Whether it was immoral or not is not relevant at all. Whether this benefited no one except Slasher is not relevant at all. Businesses (EG among them) act primarily in a selfish manner. That is how it works.
They can’t lobotomize Slasher to make him stop breaking news stories. They can’t sue him because he did not do anything illegal. Even if they somehow make Slasher go away, there will be someone else doing the same thing eventually. EG are the biggest and most successful team and media attention comes with the territory.
Essentially, to be angry with Slasher is to be angry with how the world works. It does not matter if what he did was immoral. There’s always going to be another Slasher. To fix their issue, EG would have to fix the world. Much easier to keep your secrets truly secret.
If Slasher broke a story on an announcement I was preparing, I would be very angry as well. With myself.
http://mbcarmac.com/post/40699342319/this-slasher-thing
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On January 17 2013 10:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:42 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 09:26 Ballack wrote:
Slasher is in the wrong on this one. The point Garfield makes regarding the difference between how teams make their money in esports and regular sports is a very important one, and Slasher never gave any sort of argument as to why his short "breaking news" articles gain anyone else than himself and Gamespot. And him saying that is was a good discussion...It was a terrible discussion because Slasher never addressed points made by actors of the other side of the "discussion", he actually didn't further or enlighten anything other than saying something like "it's the news and people deserve to hear them" which is an inherently foul and weak argument. The way their teams make their money is IRRELEVANT. Stop being dumb. You know what happened, you know Slasher isn't getting paid by EG. That's it, DONE. DONE. No argument. At all. He reported something that EG leaked. Not his fault, 100% Eg's fault. His breaking news articles don't benefit anyone but himself because this is real life. It's not a fucking charity. Either you close, or you walk. Either you get the money, you get the scoop, you get the deal, or you don't. Either you make the money or you do not. I don't see how you people can live in an imaginary little world where "Wa wa wa you released information that our team leaked and we asked you not to but you did it anyway wa wa wa wa." Gets results. PCgamer.com, a website worth 3.2 million dollars is weighing in on the issue, completely tearing apart EG and backing slasher 100%. Don't you think a journalism website as big as that, KNOWS HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? Why would they stick their neck out? Don't you think now that EG is going to get huge amounts of hate and backlash because of this? Its not a foul argument, that hes doing his job. He actually had no reason to defend himself, because he was right. What slasher should have said on the show is: "I don't work for you. I got this information from outside sources. It's my job to share this information with the public. We never had an agreement before hand. **** you." and left. Well since PC gamer as a magazine is very much going under and don't have anywhere near the reach they once did, I'm not sure you should be looking to them for an example of knowing how to be successful.
Not an example of success, huh ? Let's see, PC Gamer was established 19 years ago in 1993, and in the U.S. in 1994. Back then, the internet was just getting started and games were mainly resident on PCs. They were there at the beginning and still kicking. They probably shouldn't be tossed aside so quickly as an example of success.
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I believe both EG and Slasher ( somewhat) are in the right for what they did, Lets be real all journalist report news thats important and leaked from a reliable source, its his job to get the news and report it.
On the other hand like Alex said, this isnt like the world of "real" sports. E-sport teams rely so much more from internet views to support sponsors that effectively stealing the spot light or buzz on a announcement is going to hurt them and in quite a volatile industry there is somewhat of a unspoken rule / internet meme that if you "hurt" e-sports you're going to get allot of hate.
What Slasher has to understand is , yes hes in the right to do what he has done but its not his only option and probably not his best option for views and his reputation. In such a small tight community that is heavily effect by this somewhat standard journalist practice Slasher should not be surprised at all that he will be burning bridges very quickly.
People say Alex Garfield over reacted and yes he probably did since hes the main man of EG but he express that hes constantly having this battle with Slasher and has been trying to embargo Slasher , even offering exclusive content in return but is constantly denied or ignored and Slasher chooses to break the news which only benefits himself over an option which benefits them both.
Again Slasher has EVERY right to choose himself over EG , hell hes not there puppet but ill echo this again you will burn all relationships you have when you piss teams off like this.
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What Slasher does only encourages teams to enforce rules where players are prohibited from talking to journalists and throw out NDAs and embargoes.
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