On April 30 2011 09:40 emc wrote:
add a 2nd pylon?, i don't see why you'd want 1 pylon to power a bunch of cannons, it can get sniped by mutas/drop easily.

this...obviously the shorter radius decreases the amount and placement of cannons. i mean did this really need a thread? but we just gotta adapt now if this change goes through.

TheWarbler

United States1659 Posts

April 30 2011 01:47 GMT

#43

I thought the pylon radius was to big the first place. Guaranteed they play a little more of a role with warpgates but pylon radius in bw was smaller then that atleast I think it was and it was fine with them.

RemrafGrez

United States180 Posts

April 30 2011 01:52 GMT

#44

Here are some examples where pros need all that 1.3.2 pylon range, and please don't tell me they could spare 100 minerals for another pylon at this point in the game.

Most of these are from recent tournies like recent GSL or MLG. If it's not OK to do screenshots of GSL someone please delete this post if you have to.

GSL, Alicia vs Losira- Trying to wall from ramp to nexus, no spare pylons.

GSL, Coca vs Squirtle- No pylons to spare, trying to wall off and cover two distant sides with 1 pylon.

GSL, July vs Huk - he put pylon in middle of minerals because he moved all his probes already, but an example of 1 pylon and 2 cannons -

Root vs EG, KiwiKaki vs Idra - notice how he puts cannons at max distance so he has more room to warp-in and cannons can cover each other, and no one pylon taken out unpowers a cannon-

Root vs EG, Kiwikaki vs Idra - he puts buildings at max distance to semi wall off with forge and better protect and hide robo bay-

MC vs Check - Notice how he needs to wall of his natural from nexus to ramp, no spare pylons for other side of natural nexus.

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

April 30 2011 01:53 GMT

#45

"I want to build cannons like I did before the patch by putting a pylon on one side of my nexus and cannons on the other side."

I think the way you positioned the pylon and cannons is a bit dramatic to be honest. The nuances of having to build an extra pylon heavily outweigh the problems with being able to warp in a ton of crap onto the high ground in PvP.

TLDR; 1. Spread out more pylons or 2. Place pylons in more advantageous places.

ThE_OsToJiY

Canada1167 Posts

April 30 2011 01:55 GMT

#46

love this nerf

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

April 30 2011 01:55 GMT

#47

wow thats a huge difference. Thats kind of interesting as I wonder if thats going to make cannon rushing not as good? ^_^

tsuxiit

1305 Posts

April 30 2011 01:59 GMT

#48

So I guess I'm going to two pylons on either side or I'll have to not put cannons where I used to put them. I hate it.

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So I believe that reducing the pylon range by 1 is going to be really annoying, especially on your 3rd and 4th base when you don't want to waste extra pylons.

Okay. So what's the problem, exactly?

RemrafGrez

United States180 Posts

April 30 2011 02:43 GMT

#49

So in the Huk game, he didn't have extra pylons to defend muta harassment or even burrowed harassment at his main.

So in SOTG Gretorp said it'd nerf dark templar warpins and INcontrol said it'd make roach rushes more powerful because they can hit the pylon at the wall. Tyler said he didn't care, but maybe he never plays against mutas, like JulyZerg pulls out and wins games with.

Early game ling and roach allins are going to be even harder to stop is a definite. Is that really needed? Discourage expand buids and encourage 2 gate pressure builds FTW.

LuckyMacro

United States1482 Posts

April 30 2011 02:46 GMT

#50

Nal_Ra would be sad.
However, he'd overcome it in no time

sjschmidt93

United States2518 Posts

April 30 2011 02:52 GMT

#51

On April 30 2011 09:27 emesen wrote:
pylons and probes bro... now you have more reason to not supply block yourself

As if getting supply blocked was okay before?

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

April 30 2011 02:54 GMT

#52

So...put one in the back too?

CanucksJC

Canada1241 Posts

April 30 2011 02:54 GMT

#53

Maybe I'll see less cannon rushing on the ladder thank god

Flameling

United States413 Posts

April 30 2011 02:55 GMT

#54

Yeah, I feel like this is going to create a significant change in the way you need to lay cannons around your base, and gaining vision of your base.

ch4ppi

Germany802 Posts

April 30 2011 03:12 GMT

#55

This post is just about the effect on building placement:

I love the change, because the P has to think more about the placement and cant randomly throw pylons. This is just another change, that requieres the players skill. We should endorse this

ccHaZaRd

Canada1024 Posts

April 30 2011 03:15 GMT

#56

i think its a great change and it will require more strategy and placement from the protoss instead of using 1 pylon to power 20 things

tyCe

Australia2542 Posts

April 30 2011 03:15 GMT

#57

I don't care as long as it deters cannon rushing!

Jampackedeon

United States2053 Posts

April 30 2011 03:19 GMT

#58

Uh, this is a good thing. Protoss have been able to place an immense amount of cannons in good places for ages that essentially shut down all zerg harass. Meanwhile I have to struggle to lock down just a 3rd from a sole DT (because of the need for both spore vision and spine crawlers). There will be new limits to cannon placement, but frankly it is a good thing and will not ultimately stop a good player from betting a worse one.

ARcherTuRtle

United States66 Posts

April 30 2011 03:20 GMT

#59

What about on maps like Delta Quadrant. You can place a pylon at the natural expo and warp in to the backdoor expo. Would that still reach?