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Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 53

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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully.
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
April 26 2011 08:18 GMT
#1041
still not changing Terran Mech in TvP to be winnable at pro level but meh. Decent patch I hope PvP won't be something to groan at now. People compared old PvP to being similar to BW PvP but.... BW PvP had some pretty epic games whereas sc2 PvP are all ended before 10 minutes. Probably closer to the ZvZ of BW which everyone hated.
Cake or Death?
Leavzou
Profile Joined January 2011
France156 Posts
April 26 2011 08:19 GMT
#1042
So many protoss who will get demoted cause they only know 4 warpgate push hahaha =D
Zerker
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada201 Posts
April 26 2011 08:19 GMT
#1043
On April 26 2011 16:38 dde wrote:
hope blizzard listen to progamers opinnions because seems like they dont


You know, This is exactly i how i feel. Thanks for summing this up.
LifebaneLive
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany25 Posts
April 26 2011 08:20 GMT
#1044
On April 26 2011 17:12 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:09 kuroshiro wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:46 iggyzizzle wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:44 kuroshiro wrote:
Can anyone clear this up for me? -> gateway build time and warpgate cooldown are now equivalent for all gateway units right?
(not including warp in time)


Warpgate warpin + cooldown = gateway build time


Ok so just to get this double-straight -> A warpgate cycle is still quicker than a gateway cycle (by the length of the warp in time)?

Yes they were 10s faster across the board, now they'll be 5s faster (DTs and HTs are still 10s faster..). Warpgates are still 100% superior to gateways, sorry to disappoint anyone who thought that might change.


Thats a bit simpleminded, sorry.

Even when Warpgates are 5 seconds faster, it still takes 5 seconds until those units are more than meatshields.
At least for Zealot/Sentry/Stalker Warp Gates don´t change the building time at all now.
You never pull the trigger until you know you can win. Roger Ailes
d33p
Profile Joined December 2010
France27 Posts
April 26 2011 08:20 GMT
#1045
Looks like my transition in TvP month ago from bio to mech was right decision. With the ghost buff and bug fix, they are gonna be awesome

As if ghosts needed a Buff
Interesting patch tho.
5eeeeyyyyeee55ye55ye5
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
April 26 2011 08:21 GMT
#1046
Does this mean that Void Prisms can now hold only one Archon instead of two at a time?
Rise Up!
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
April 26 2011 08:21 GMT
#1047
I hope everyone realizes that they just HUGELY nerfed the PvZ ForgeExpand.
The 1 Pylon won't be able to block the entrance on maps like Shattered/Scrap/TalDarim anymore O_o

That's an enormous change.

But otherwise I'm very happy with the patch, the Archon is finally going to be useful in PvT and that's going to change a lot. Even though there'll be more ghosts to screw his shields =(
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 26 2011 08:22 GMT
#1048
On April 26 2011 16:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Pretty sure anyway.

Patch is interesting, Im scared of proxy gates tho (VERY, VERY scared, I honestly think they are too good even in the current patch).


Think that's a hint if there ever was one. Heh I'm excited to 2gate zergs again.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 26 2011 08:22 GMT
#1049
Intersting... not sure how 2gate will pan out, but otherwise it seems fine with me
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
April 26 2011 08:23 GMT
#1050
Protoss style would be now be using gateway when massing up at home, and convert to warpgate when pushing out. I predict a more dangerous 6 gate push incoming if a protoss doesn't miss a beat in his macro during the gateway phase.
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
MagmaRam
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
April 26 2011 08:23 GMT
#1051
Besides the Warpgate change, what caught my eye was the Ghost change.

Now they're expensive as hell mineral wise, but much less expensive gas wise. I know I'm going to try working some new things into my PvT with that extra gas, especially ravens for PDD'ing phoenixes and stalkers.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 08:25:30
April 26 2011 08:24 GMT
#1052
On April 26 2011 17:20 LifebaneLive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:12 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:09 kuroshiro wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:46 iggyzizzle wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:44 kuroshiro wrote:
Can anyone clear this up for me? -> gateway build time and warpgate cooldown are now equivalent for all gateway units right?
(not including warp in time)


Warpgate warpin + cooldown = gateway build time


Ok so just to get this double-straight -> A warpgate cycle is still quicker than a gateway cycle (by the length of the warp in time)?

Yes they were 10s faster across the board, now they'll be 5s faster (DTs and HTs are still 10s faster..). Warpgates are still 100% superior to gateways, sorry to disappoint anyone who thought that might change.


Thats a bit simpleminded, sorry.

Even when Warpgates are 5 seconds faster, it still takes 5 seconds until those units are more than meatshields.

At least for Zealot/Sentry/Stalker Warp Gates don´t change the building time at all now.

Yes, it does. Stop spreading misinformation. With warpgates buildtimes for zealot/stalker/sentry are 28/32/32. New gateways are 33/37/37. As I said, warpgates used to be 10s faster for these units, now they are 5s faster.

Guys, gateways are NOT BETTER in any way. All they've done is made them better than before to prevent the warpgate tech nerf killing toss in the other matchups. They slowed down the introduction of warpgate tech, NOTHING more.
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
April 26 2011 08:24 GMT
#1053
i think 2gate will be strong. they maybe should find a middle like 36seconds , they always swap between 38 and 33
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
Leavzou
Profile Joined January 2011
France156 Posts
April 26 2011 08:25 GMT
#1054
On April 26 2011 17:24 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:20 LifebaneLive wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:12 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:09 kuroshiro wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:46 iggyzizzle wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:44 kuroshiro wrote:
Can anyone clear this up for me? -> gateway build time and warpgate cooldown are now equivalent for all gateway units right?
(not including warp in time)


Warpgate warpin + cooldown = gateway build time


Ok so just to get this double-straight -> A warpgate cycle is still quicker than a gateway cycle (by the length of the warp in time)?

Yes they were 10s faster across the board, now they'll be 5s faster (DTs and HTs are still 10s faster..). Warpgates are still 100% superior to gateways, sorry to disappoint anyone who thought that might change.


Thats a bit simpleminded, sorry.

Even when Warpgates are 5 seconds faster, it still takes 5 seconds until those units are more than meatshields.

At least for Zealot/Sentry/Stalker Warp Gates don´t change the building time at all now.

Yes, it does. Stop spreading misinformation. With warpgates buildtimes for zealot/stalker/sentry are 28/32/32. New gateways are 33/37/37. As I said, warpgates used to be 10s faster for these units, now they are 5s faster.


You forgot the time during they are useless while warped.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 08:26:51
April 26 2011 08:25 GMT
#1055
On April 26 2011 17:23 yrag89 wrote:
Protoss style would be now be using gateway when massing up at home, and convert to warpgate when pushing out. I predict a more dangerous 6 gate push incoming if a protoss doesn't miss a beat in his macro during the gateway phase.


For the 999999th time, warpgates are still faster than gateways.

edit: or the same. Either way~
I cant stop lactating
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
April 26 2011 08:25 GMT
#1056
On April 26 2011 17:21 undyinglight wrote:
Does this mean that Void Prisms can now hold only one Archon instead of two at a time?

Interesting point. But when's the last time you've seen an Archon drop? I remember Draco owning some Korean pro with Archon popping vs. Guardians. That shit was sick. Sorry, I'm in a nostalgic mood.
$♥$
Michaels
Profile Joined August 2010
419 Posts
April 26 2011 08:26 GMT
#1057
tank should also be massive. Its a tank god damnit!!
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 26 2011 08:26 GMT
#1058
On April 26 2011 17:25 Leavzou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:24 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:20 LifebaneLive wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:12 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:09 kuroshiro wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:46 iggyzizzle wrote:
On April 26 2011 16:44 kuroshiro wrote:
Can anyone clear this up for me? -> gateway build time and warpgate cooldown are now equivalent for all gateway units right?
(not including warp in time)


Warpgate warpin + cooldown = gateway build time


Ok so just to get this double-straight -> A warpgate cycle is still quicker than a gateway cycle (by the length of the warp in time)?

Yes they were 10s faster across the board, now they'll be 5s faster (DTs and HTs are still 10s faster..). Warpgates are still 100% superior to gateways, sorry to disappoint anyone who thought that might change.


Thats a bit simpleminded, sorry.

Even when Warpgates are 5 seconds faster, it still takes 5 seconds until those units are more than meatshields.

At least for Zealot/Sentry/Stalker Warp Gates don´t change the building time at all now.

Yes, it does. Stop spreading misinformation. With warpgates buildtimes for zealot/stalker/sentry are 28/32/32. New gateways are 33/37/37. As I said, warpgates used to be 10s faster for these units, now they are 5s faster.


You forgot the time during they are useless while warped.

This doesn't make gateways better, ever.
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
April 26 2011 08:26 GMT
#1059
I agree with the above posts I think proxy 2 gate is going to come back into style, in an earlier patch the Zealot build time was increased to help negate this, however it seems like this will fake it a pretty decent build once more. Also Protoss won't have as hard of a time holding off early Terran pushes. As that was a bit problematic as you needed excellent ff usage and micro just to live while your opponent was able to get down an early expansion and take the lead.
Rise Up!
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
April 26 2011 08:27 GMT
#1060
I'm quite happy about the ghost change. In my opinion gas is not a problem when going bio. Gas is a problem when going mech. This change is great for mechplayers .
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