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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong. It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully. | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:35 ondik wrote: WTF you're right, didn't think about it.. forge expand is the only thing I do in PvZ  uh..someone care to confirm this? I unconfirm this. Warpgate build time for zealot is 28 seconds. Not 38. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
I dunno why but i always lose against it, even if i build bunkers and go 2 rax marine with no gas i'm always so far behind i just cant come back, guess i'll have to learn how to hold that off . Rest of the changes seem good, was hoping for a colossi change though, but oh well. | ||
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mike1290
United States88 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:30 Muirhead wrote: Warpgate cooldown does not tick while the gateway is in its ordinary mode. Ah, thanks. I didn't realize that. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:34 Apolo wrote: Any predictions to what PvP will become? Mine for now: - More proxy 2G - More races to see who techs to colossus faster - Perhaps some stargate builds to counter the rising popularity of fast zealot + colossus It'll go back to a one-base colo race, like it used to be! If anyone tries to expand/tech further they'll get smashed ..atleast 4gate vs. 4gate required to 'micro' their units | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
Hopefully people don't just 2 gateway rush now all the time, lol. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On April 26 2011 15:57 windsupernova wrote: Ehhh, I actually don't agree. Blizzard should only step in to fix broken things, Its not up to them to make a matchup more playable or watchable. And really, with 9 matchups only 1 was retarded so I don't think it was that bad. PvP was interesting to me at least, not all matches need to go into super late macro mode to be good. What? Then who should design the game if not the ones who made it... How would you propose a game even be created in the first place if its not up to the game designers to actually design it. (LOL) | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
so a 33 second zealot, you can get 2 out while the cyber is building? that'll change things a bit love the archon idea, lets hope some of these changes stick | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:18 Raiznhell wrote: still not changing Terran Mech in TvP to be winnable at pro level but meh. Decent patch I hope PvP won't be something to groan at now. People compared old PvP to being similar to BW PvP but.... BW PvP had some pretty epic games whereas sc2 PvP are all ended before 10 minutes. Probably closer to the ZvZ of BW which everyone hated. If you think Mech TvP is unwinnable you're delusional. Thorzain does some pretty sweet mech builds and roflstomps with them. | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
Making TvP even stronger for endgame P without tossing Terran a bone would have been weird. Also, I might give a 3 rax ghost EMP push on one base against Protoss a go again. I would have preferred a HP percentage based bunker change rather than the 75%, but I guess it's acceptable. The spore crawler change is cool. Allows you to defend your bases with less spore crawlers because you'll be able to move them around faster. Proxy 10gates are going to be a bit more scary now tho... I have no clue how the 4gate thing will work out. The pylon nerf will make it harder to have a pylon to morph on the high ground since stalkers will just about be in range to kill it, and doesn't warp gate tech by itself reduce unit build time by 10 seconds? Also, the added warp gate tech timing might make 4gate a non-issue for Terrans. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
1 or 2 gate builds are getting à serious buff though so they Will be much more popular then it might actually make protoss stronger now. The pylon change is à big nerf for FFEing actually which Will be much harder to do now. Both these changes hit PvZ quite à bit. Archon change is awesome as it buffs them pvt and might give them à use in pvp. Actually à nerf for PvZ as you cant use archon and ff combined anymore. Ghost change is a mech buff, not too bad for that. It also makes some quick ghost builds easier i guess. | ||
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berr0n!
Germany59 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:26 Michaels wrote: tank should also be massive. Its a tank god damnit!! I'm sure that tanks will never be massive. | ||
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prove
Germany12 Posts
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JayDee_
548 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:46 JayDee_ wrote: Why the ghost mini buff? They're really good as is imo, just underused. To buff mech v protoss mostly. You couldnt really build ghosts because of the high gas cost while going mech. | ||
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:46 prove wrote: Mh, I dont rly like the pylon change tho, anyway is this patch already up in us? On the public test realm. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:14 mike1290 wrote: I was thinking about the warpgate change and I played around a little in a game and with these new times, I think it's possible to produce units faster if you switch between warpgates and gateways when the warpgate cooldown is active. It is very late and I'm very tired so please tell me if there is anything I am missing. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/unC9i.jpg) If you do this then you end up with an extra zealot in about 152 seconds of game time? whoa maybe that's the real solution to 4 gate blizzard was looking at defender can produce units 5 secs faster by switching back and forth from warp gate to gateway tech brilliant | ||
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Leavzou
France156 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:47 sickle wrote: Why is blizz trying to kill off FFE, doesnt blizz want variety? Maybe because it's unfair for zergs ? Especially with this patch. Cause zergs had to FE to keep with the protoss FE without all in, and with this patch they can't FE cause of 2 gate... | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:41 Bergys wrote: If you think Mech TvP is unwinnable you're delusional. Thorzain does some pretty sweet mech builds and roflstomps with them. I think more mineral heavy ghosts is a huge win for Mech TvP, being able to afford the gas for both mech and ghosts turns immortals and phoenix into a micro battle, anti armored -air is still a bit of a problem, but it's a win in general. | ||
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