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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong. It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully. | ||
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mike1290
United States88 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:25 _Darwin_ wrote: For the 999999th time, warpgates are still faster than gateways. edit: or the same. Either way~ Am I doing something wrong in this or will it be faster to use both warpgates and gateways? ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/unC9i.jpg) | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
Edit: Oops I saw the cost as 200/200, my bad ! 200/100 sounds perfectly ok to me as a terran user  | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
In PvT I wonder if it would be viable to research hallucination first now if you fast expand? | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
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Sophisticado
United Kingdom42 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
I just don't get the logic behind all this. Nerf zealot-buildtime to nerf proxy-gating for the bronzies...now revert it AGAIN? Seems like Blizz is really undecided how they wanna proceed with all this. I'm fine with 33 sec zealots for the record and I don't proxy gate. Nevertheless I kinda like seeing it in pro-games and as of now it's too easy to hold even if you scout it extremely late. Although I'm not all against a warpgate change in general, I think it limits protoss gameplay regarding the use of chrono-boost. I've always been a heavy probe-booster in my non mirror matchups...although this is only theory-craft, I feel like I have to stop doing this, at the very least in PvT, since terran could probably lol at me in the early game without the initial warp-in. On April 26 2011 17:30 Dante08 wrote: Wtf as if ghosts are not expensive enough, well you will now have to protect them like babies ! :D How can people not get that ghosts were BUFFED. What the.... | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:30 Dante08 wrote: Wtf as if ghosts are not expensive enough, well you will now have to protect them like babies ! :D They are now actually cheaper, cause terran has easier time aquiring minerals than gas. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10846 Posts
Byebye easy FE  . | ||
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Skrag
United States643 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:25 Leavzou wrote: You forgot the time during they are useless while warped. And you forgot that the cooldown resets when the unit begins warping in, not when it finishes. It's still 28 seconds from one zealot to the next, which is 5 seconds faster than 33 seconds from one zealot to the next. | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:28 mike1290 wrote: Am I doing something wrong in this or will it be faster to use both warpgates and gateways? 28 seconds. not 38. | ||
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
I perceive Z to be having an even tougher time against P if this change goes live, this will seriously threaten 13/15 hatch, and contain Z on one-base under extreme pressure...doesn't look good. | ||
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
and make a 1 base all in marine mara go with 3 rax ? lol as terran i dont care less about the bunker nerf that 25 minerals means nothing as long you gave mule but seriously the more gas i can safe intead to invest to ghost the more better units or uppgrade i can invest | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:27 Dente wrote: I'm quite happy about the ghost change. In my opinion gas is not a problem when going bio. Gas is a problem when going mech. This change is great for mechplayers .I actually didn't think about that!!I like it, more diversity is always great :D! | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:31 Velr wrote: Welcome back 2 Gate in ZvP. Byebye easy FE .Well, the 2 gate ZvP was strong in particular due to the maps and positions. No steppes, no blistering etc. means that the 2 gate has lost much of its potentiel. Nevertheless 2 gate on close position slag pits will be ridiculous, even makes me wanna revert my thumb-down just to experience all the zerg-hate | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Mine for now: - More proxy 2G - More races to see who techs to colossus faster - Perhaps some stargate builds to counter the rising popularity of fast zealot + colossus | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On April 26 2011 12:11 arQ wrote: Well, the fact that ghost usage is so scarce that when someone is actually going for a ghost build everyone is like "WHOA what the hell is going on". Of all the major, awesome tournaments ive followed the last month i think i have seen 1 (one) set where ghost usage actually tipped the scale in favor of a terran. You missed the GSL last night I already know it! No more will I spoil but it twas epic | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:21 Binabik wrote: I hope everyone realizes that they just HUGELY nerfed the PvZ ForgeExpand. The 1 Pylon won't be able to block the entrance on maps like Shattered/Scrap/TalDarim anymore O_o WTF you're right, didn't think about it.. forge expand is the only thing I do in PvZ  On April 26 2011 17:28 mike1290 wrote: Am I doing something wrong in this or will it be faster to use both warpgates and gateways? uh..someone care to confirm this? | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:28 mike1290 wrote: Am I doing something wrong in this or will it be faster to use both warpgates and gateways? are you sure you can transform back to gateway , while warpgate cool downs are active? IF you can do that , yes you can produce 2 zealots in 10 + 33 seconds but I highly doubt that | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
PROTOSS Archons are now a massive unit. ---> They can't get kited like nobody's business now, a pretty good buff for PvT. Pylon power radius has been decreased from 7.5 to 6.5. ---> Doesn't really change alot, just that you would have to put the pylon nearer to your opponent's base if you want to warp in units, giving them a higher chance to spot it. Cybernetics Core Research Warp Gate time increased from 140 to 180. ---> Quite a significant change, gives the defender more time to get bunkers or spines up. Ghost Cost changed from 150/150 to 200/100. ---> Good change for me as a terran user Salvage resource return reduced from 100% to 75%. ---> Should have been this way from the very start. | ||
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