Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 51

On April 26 2011 16:44 kuroshiro wrote:
Can anyone clear this up for me? -> gateway build time and warpgate cooldown are now equivalent for all gateway units right?
(not including warp in time)

On April 26 2011 16:38 Devolved wrote:
I like everything in this patch except the removal of air stacking. I've never considered this a bug. It's an APM intensive tactic that allows more units to fire at once. How are Vikings supposed to hit and run Collossi, Corruptors or Void Rays with any type of efficiency now? How can Mutas harass small areas picking off stray units with one-shots? If anything, I would consider this a buff for Protoss because they are the least affected by it.

Also, now Thors are going to be pretty much useless against Mutas. Tech builds that relied on Thors to defend vs. Muta harass will go out the window, but at the same time the Muta hit and run harass will be less effective because you will have to expose more mutas to a larger area to kill the same thing.

On April 26 2011 16:42 Heavenly wrote:


Once you turn your gates into warp gates you get an extra round of units immediately. If I'm attempting to hold a very early all-in I would want warp-gate tech to kick in as soon as possible so that I have my initial gateway units pop out, then I can turn into warpgate and warp in an additional round immediately afterward. This doesn't strengthen early defense at all if they hit you before your warpgates come up, but I'm not sure if it weakens it. If it does, the 3 roach speedling all in would be incredibly annoying.

On April 26 2011 16:27 qui wrote:
2v2 just became even more broken.

Protoss are going to proxy gate every game if they have any sense at all.

On April 26 2011 16:53 GhostFall wrote:
2 gate openings wont be too bad, only because of maps.

Proxy 2gate should be interesting.

terran players should be fine, worried for the zerg

On April 26 2011 16:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Ok, they didnt remove air stacking Im almost sure, they are talking about the alternate way to create a Viking flower, that Sockfolder made a thread about (should be searchable).

Pretty sure anyway.

Patch is interesting, Im scared of proxy gates tho (VERY, VERY scared, I honestly think they are too good even in the current patch).

On April 26 2011 16:45 AquaBadger wrote:
won't archons still be kited due to low range and speed compared to stim bio balls? Ultralisks are easy enough to kite off creep and archons are a little slower then ultras. 2.8 vs 2.95.

On April 26 2011 16:42 iggyzizzle wrote:


So basically, 4gate is nerfed. This is literally the only 4gate you do in PvP. 6 stalker 1 zealot at 5:40, start pylons on low ground as you push in at 6:00. If you fail to hit this timing, it is much harder for the 4gate to work at all.

With the timing pushed back a whole whopping 40 seconds, this basically negates PvP 4gates, or almost any 4gate, completely. That's just a fact; it's not even debatable at all. I am completely surprised that anyone even thinks otherwise.

Other match-ups will not be changed nearly as much because 4gate hasn't lately been a huge problem in PvT or PvZ. This pushes back ALL types of 4gates back 40 seconds, no matter how many chrono boosts are used on the WG tech.

Seriously, this is such a huge change that it will completely redefine the first 10 or so minutes of PvP completely. 2gate into cyber or 1gate robo will probably become the norm. It will also slightly change openers for other match-ups as well.

On April 26 2011 17:02 BurningSera wrote:
toss:did they forget why they neff the 33s zealot in the first place??? back in my bronze days was nightmare to deal with early mass zealot rush, which is actually still kinda difficult to deal with if you didnt make the right response O.o (ofc this is for zerg...)