EPTOn May 04 2011 11:55 sermokala wrote:
By range is its attack range or its AOE range?
By range is its attack range or its AOE range?
Attack range, there's no way they had an AoE range of 2.
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Daralii
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Attack range, there's no way they had an AoE range of 2. | ||
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happyness
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Am I missing something here? Are Thors really that bad for Protoss? | ||
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Toads
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I've try a game with spam and it's still the same. I don't see what it change | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On May 04 2011 11:33 ShadeOfDraG wrote: Wow, this update makes protoss so much better in PvT and still strong (too strong ?) in PvZ. I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't try to fix the ZvP Matchup. Because it doesn't need fixing. Path overall looks great, looking forward to it, still think infestors need to be nerfed a little bit, the new FG is ridiculously good. Nice to give HTs some more good use after the KA nerf as well. Good job blizzard | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On May 04 2011 11:57 happyness wrote: Blizz..... so indecisive Am I missing something here? Are Thors really that bad for Protoss? Strike cannon thors with marines, hellions, or tanks supporting could effectively kill any ground army we had. If there were enough marines supporting, voids were terribly inefficient as well. | ||
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Nabes
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RedHelix
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On May 04 2011 11:40 Aequos wrote: You're right, Blizzard should fix the ZvP matchup - however, as was shown in another thread, Zerg is currently killing the crap out of Protoss in ZvP in Korea at high levels - so Zerg should be nerfed. (if you are curious, the thread can be found here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218558) Alternatively, lets see what this patch does. I'm a bit curious as to why the Infestor was slowed, but I doubt it will change much. The Thor change is primary there because Marines defending Thors were not beatable by either of Immortals or Void Rays, and Void Ray + Colossus and Void Ray + High Templar were both a bit too gas intensive to be able to fight them off. Immortal + High Templar is a bit better now, so it should be helpful overall. I wish people would stop citing that thread without actually reading it, the korean graphs had a MUCH smaller sample size than it's foreign counterpart, less than 300 games for PvZ over the course of six months is not a good sample size, the results are obviously skewed. Anyway I feel like protoss is getting too many options to deal with certain things again, first it was colossus and immortals that shared a similar purpose in that protoss had too much splash damage, not it seems that it's going to be archons and phoenixes to destroy mutas and just generally perform better against everything else, I would love to see more archons used but as it is now protoss is still really tough to deal with as zerg with all the openings they have. I don't mind the infestor nerf, it just seems like a way for people to chase down infestors after a zerg attack fails or something, seems fine. No clue what to say about the thor as I don't really play TvP. | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
edit: I'm guessing no | ||
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Pelopidas
Canada225 Posts
On May 04 2011 11:52 Dingobloo wrote: Cheaper gas cost of ghosts actually opened up Thor/Ghost as a unit comp, they originally changed it because expecting terrans to afford ghosts and thors was too much just because of templar, you can do that now, but it was too strong, so they added an additional element of micro to make it more interesting, case in point you can now choose to 1) EMP the templar and be awesome, 2) EMP the immortals and not need the strike cannon, but your thors could get feedbacked and lose health 3) EMP the Thors so you don't take a hp hit, but deal with the hardened shield, that seems pretty cool to me. Still, I was hoping that we could actually see a strong mech style in TvP. I don't think its really necessary to allow Protoss to easily defeat a Thor based army head on with ground units, when thors are extremely immobile, take forever to build, and awful against armored air. This whole patch stinks of aggressive balancing, and it just doesn't sit right with me. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On May 04 2011 11:56 DannyJ wrote: If terran branching out more means they 1 base thor push almost every single game, youre right. At one point 5 straight terran opponents did it vs me. Hell, watch Trumps stream. He's done a 1 base thor rush EVERY single PvT I've seen him do for weeks if not a couple months. It was dumb. Not sure it's going to do anything to 1 base thor pushes. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
Excellent changes to the 1.3.3 patch. Excellent! Blizzard must have noticed very low win rates for Protoss on the PTR. Archon range buff very welcome, Warp 160 instead of 180 much more reasonable, and Thors having energy makes mech less OP vs Protoss. Infestor speed I have no idea what they are going for there, but the rest was just gold! Thx for being awesome Blizzard! | ||
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happyness
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Executor1
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On May 04 2011 11:33 ShadeOfDraG wrote: Wow, this update makes protoss so much better in PvT and still strong (too strong ?) in PvZ. I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't try to fix the ZvP Matchup. You should go check out the statistics thread ZVP has been in favor of zerg since march if you put all the international tournaments outside of korea together. Same with in korea although there is a much greater disparity in zergs favor. Im sure blizzard is keeping track of this. With all the zergs complaining its hard to see the truth, that tournament wise zerg is doing really well right now against protoss so i dont really see what needs fixing its in zergs favor right now but i think its pretty even , and you dont hear every protoss on the forums complaining about zvp balance just because zergs are doing better in tournaments. If the same statistics over the past 2 months were reversed in protoss's favor we would see a huge outcry from zergs complaining even more about it. Thats the difference and its pretty disheartening that even with evidence right in front of them zergs continue to complain. Here is the statistics thread you should check out : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218558 | ||
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
On May 04 2011 12:00 RedHelix wrote: I wish people would stop citing that thread without actually reading it, the korean graphs had a MUCH smaller sample size than it's foreign counterpart, less than 300 games for PvZ over the course of six months is not a good sample size, the results are obviously skewed. Anyway I feel like protoss is getting too many options to deal with certain things again, first it was colossus and immortals that shared a similar purpose in that protoss had too much splash damage, not it seems that it's going to be archons and phoenixes to destroy mutas and just generally perform better against everything else, I would love to see more archons used but as it is now protoss is still really tough to deal with as zerg with all the openings they have. I don't mind the infestor nerf, it just seems like a way for people to chase down infestors after a zerg attack fails or something, seems fine. No clue what to say about the thor as I don't really play TvP. I wish there was a sarcasm font - I was trying to show that the "ZvP is unbalanced" argument was stupid because the win rates are pretty close to equal. I wasn't seriously arguing that Zerg needed a nerf - I was trying to make a sarcastic statement about the balance complaint. | ||
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mati
Argentina114 Posts
On May 04 2011 11:39 ShadeOfDraG wrote: Do you think tweaking Corruptor stats (cost/producing time/damage/corruption spell) would break ZvT or ZvZ ? I don't think so. since infestor become better and really usefull in ZvT, teching to broodlord become much more easier and safe, you will use corruptor to hold vikings... im not saying buffing corruptor would break ZvT, but it could, dont take is so lighty | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On May 04 2011 12:07 zylog wrote: I think the infestor change is to affect muta/infestor and phoenix/infestor balance. Basically you'll be less able to catch fast moving air units with a fungal unless the infestor is already in position Interesting. I was wondering about the speed nerf. This may help out terran late game a little too given some of the 3 base fast hive BL/infestor builds that have been popping up verse terran lately. | ||
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