Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 123

You're doing something very wrong. Siege tanks are incredibly powerful, but they rely on positioning. If siege tank DPS was buffed (which will never ever happen in a million years), they would be so overpowered against Zerg it would be horrifying. All of your changes are completely off. Unless you are high diamond/masters you shouldn't even bother with your opinion.

On April 28 2011 22:41 Deadlyfish wrote:

They should either make the raven a viable spell caster

On April 28 2011 23:42 thebole1 wrote:
do you think that SIGE TANKS buff from 50 to 60 will efect agenst zergs zerglings and banglings ? and infestors combo ? i think not..

becous they die now agenst one shot from sige tanks that will not chage with 60 dps ... lol... they will alweys die from one shot.....

and if zealots are agean 33 sec insted of 38 (they now reverted that change) that might hepened with sige tanks also....

u can kill sige tanks with to meny ways ...and now they are too easy to kill eaven you trow your army at em....

i think that now gameplay of terran is only based on stim and marines i think there is plenty of bether unites and strategys if some unites become efective like they should be....sry of my ENG thx for reading

On April 28 2011 23:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:


no they are not.Autoturret is uselss unless you drop like 3 or 4,PDD is borderline.HSM...noone even uses HSM now that it was nerfed....HSM should be imba for all the stuff we need to do to get it.

On April 28 2011 22:41 Deadlyfish wrote:



I dont agree that we should buff ravens or anything but just wanted to say that the Raven really really sucks. Getting 1 for some timing push or to combat burrowed banelings is fine, but other than that the abilities are just useless.

It costs 200/200, and it can do a shitty turret, pdd (which is good early game, but late game it just kinda sucks, HSM isnt too good either, most units can run away, and you can just split your units aswell.)

Basically the Raven has a lot of cool abilities, but they are too cool and arent really practical.

They should either make the raven a viable spell caster, or just make it a plain old detector, cheaper obviously, or maybe give it an ability that's not so gimmicky like the ones it has now.

On April 28 2011 23:42 Havefa1th wrote:

Because the ghost, which has a spell that does the most damage per energy cost in the game in an AOE (and drains energy) isn't good enough?

As for your PDD argument, you're kinda right about the end-game... unless my math is wrong, 2 PDD only stop 10 stalkers from shooting for 5.66 seconds, but that's still kinda gnarly, especially with people complaining about fungals lasting 4 seconds. Early game especially, ravens work very very well against protoss.

However, your argument that you can micro out of a HSM is flat out wrong... you can micro out of banelings, doesn't make them useless. You can micro out of a storm, doesn't make it useless.

Ravens are good, especially considering how well they fit in a relatively gas-light MMM army against protoss.

P.S. Every race has 2 "spellcasters", except for zerg one is the queen and it only has transfuse and doesn't move very well off creep. soooo for anyone crying for infestor nerfs, remember that you have options, we don't.

On April 28 2011 23:48 frucisky wrote:


Dude, you forgot the overeseer. We have 3 spellcaster

But lets be honest, queens are awesome. I really feel like they're a really well designed unit in their roll in the Zerg army

On April 28 2011 23:44 antilyon wrote:

Well, at first years of SC:BW, people said the same about defilers.

On April 28 2011 23:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:


seriously we should have irradiate for PDD...much better against zergs.I'm not saying that an auto turret should be able to handle large large armies I just want to have a choice of using other spells too and there is no reason to have HSM at 125 energy...it should be at least 100.

On April 29 2011 00:01 dartoo wrote:

Yeah I kinda thought you were missing irradiate. But choice is a problem with protoss too, you need to go colossi for most matchups, it is quite boring. Maybe they have something cool planned for the expansions, I think most people agree that the spell casters are not as awesome as bw spell casters, but thats another topic. I would like to have my old psi storm back, and zergs would love to have their defiler back. But yeah it's a different game.

On April 28 2011 23:22 Whitewing wrote:


I don't know what game you're playing, but the Raven in the Starcraft 2 I play is ridiculously awesome. PDD blocks out so much damage, auto-turret lasts for four bloody minutes and is very strong for harassing mineral lines, and Seeker Missile can unleash hell on any clump of units.

Siege tanks right now do 35 + 15 damage to armored. With plus 1 carapace, that does not one shot zerglings.

If you buffed siege tanks, it would one shot zerglings (and depending on how you buffed it, 2 shot infestors) and one shot banelings, no matter what the zerg does in terms of positioning, upgrades, etc.

Your argument isn't based on sound fact. Where are you getting the 50-60?

Also, they didn't revert the change of zealot training time according to http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2685005#blog

You need to just stop posting, bad english or not, because none of your argument is based on facts