EPTAutomaton 2000 Micro Bot - Page 7
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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SixTwo
Netherlands68 Posts
but impressive video, loved the marine micro. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Deso
Austria88 Posts
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Marksel
Netherlands56 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:32 DrainX wrote: Is there no "cheating" at all involved? Does the script trigger by the AI seeing that the a unit has come in range of a tank and then trigger again as long as a unit is within the tank range sequentially or does it trigger when a tank starts aiming at a target? What would happen if none of the zerglings had vision of the tank when it fired(ie. if it was on a cliff)? I guess my question is, does the AI use any information not available to the player? Technically, the information is available to the player; all you have to do is learn how seige tank targeting works through experimentation, right? | ||
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Virtue
United States318 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:20 Inori wrote: @ OP can you please give me a slight hope that you will turn Automaton into a fully working AI bot that we could play on bnet? Like actually "Insane" AI, instead of the cheating crap we got from Blizzard. So that Zergling vs Tank AI isn't cheating? ...right | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
The second one kills them faster, but takes some damage. If the phoenix wants to avoid all damage it will only get a few shots off now and then. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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mumakil
Finland33 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:40 FliedLice wrote: So that Zergling vs Tank AI isn't cheating? ...right In theory it isnt actually cheating  a human could do it if he knew exactly how the tank targeting works also he would need like 8000 apm or something ridicilous like that so we will actually never get to see it(until that razor april fools machine becomes a reality at least). Oh also the human player would have to have the game sense to see which zergling would be targetted next(as the op says its the closest one so u should be able to deduce it :D)so not actually cheating just playing really really fast :D also theres a world of difference between a maphack and a extra minerals hack for the AI when we can make the games more fair by just giving them uber micro. A player cant over come extra minerals and extra info but he can overcome better control(how much better control a player can overcome is debatable but still the point stands :D) | ||
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Dankbeer
United States61 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:45 mumakil wrote: In theory it isnt actually cheating a human could do it if he knew exactly how the tank targeting works also he would need like 8000 apm or something ridicilous like that so we will actually never get to see it(until that razor april fools machine becomes a reality at least). Oh also the human player would have to have the game sense to see which zergling would be targetted next(as the op says its the closest one so u should be able to deduce it :D)so not actually cheating just playing really really fast :D also theres a world of difference between a maphack and a extra minerals hack for the AI when we can make the games more fair by just giving them uber micro. A player cant over come extra minerals and extra info but he can overcome better control(how much better control a player can overcome is debatable but still the point stands :D) No human could do that. period. This would be a CHEAT if used on ladder. Dont argue that its not. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:34 goiflin wrote: Technically, the information is available to the player; all you have to do is learn how seige tank targeting works through experimentation, right? That was not what I was talking about. A player would not be able to dodge fire from a tank he does not see. And even in the case where the information could be derived from information the player has, deriving it yourself instead of hacking into the AI of the opponent is a much harder task. | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
How much APM does the AI use to do something like that? | ||
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mumakil
Finland33 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:48 Marcus420 wrote: No human could do that. period. This would be a CHEAT if used on ladder. Dont argue that its not. Yes but no one is talking about using it on the ladder. At least i cant see the point of using it on the ladder when if i dont actually have the skill(that and the apm jumping to stupid numbers would get me banned in a few hours :D) And i admit no human could do it right now. probably never but what im trying to say is that the game uses all the info the player would have in that situation(if i understood it correctly) so in theory, a super human with more brainpower to process all the movements and info(and better speed and stamina than the normal human) could do it. Of course no one can actually do it but the AI is not actually cheating its just playing really really really fast :D. PS: If ever used on the ladder in anyway the user should be banned ofc. but remember we are not talking about a hack bot here its just a AI script so unless blizz updates their ladder maps with it. It cannot be used in ladder in its current form | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Shows how much potential to improve is still untapped dont agree with the muta vid btw If the mutas are smart i am sure they can kill the phoenix on that map Since the phoenix is allowed godly control, then why are the mutas not? mutas should spread all across the map aproaching the phoenix from all directions so it cant keep running tailing 50 mutas -.- | ||
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