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On April 07 2011 21:48 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 21:45 mumakil wrote:On April 07 2011 21:40 FliedLice wrote:On April 07 2011 21:20 Inori wrote:
@ OP
can you please give me a slight hope that you will turn Automaton into a fully working AI bot that we could play on bnet? Like actually "Insane" AI, instead of the cheating crap we got from Blizzard. So that Zergling vs Tank AI isn't cheating? ...right In theory it isnt actually cheating  a human could do it if he knew exactly how the tank targeting works also he would need like 8000 apm or something ridicilous like that so we will actually never get to see it(until that razor april fools machine becomes a reality at least). Oh also the human player would have to have the game sense to see which zergling would be targetted next(as the op says its the closest one so u should be able to deduce it :D) so not actually cheating just playing really really fast :D also theres a world of difference between a maphack and a extra minerals hack for the AI when we can make the games more fair by just giving them uber micro. A player cant over come extra minerals and extra info but he can overcome better control(how much better control a player can overcome is debatable but still the point stands :D) No human could do that. period. This would be a CHEAT if used on ladder. Dont argue that its not. You are missing the point. He's saying that the AI isn't breaking the rules of the game. The original post he's responding to calls Insane AI "the cheating crap we got from Blizzard", because to make it stronger, rather than make the AI smarter, Blizzard gave it the ability to break the rules of the game (maphack, mineral hack).
As to whether it would be cheating to put a bot with abilities like these on the ladder (as the original post seems to suggest), I think as long as it was clearly labeled as a bot, that would be fine. Not sure what Blizzard's TOS say though.
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That kind of anti-baneling micro is crazy.
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On April 07 2011 21:57 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 21:48 Marcus420 wrote:On April 07 2011 21:45 mumakil wrote:On April 07 2011 21:40 FliedLice wrote:On April 07 2011 21:20 Inori wrote:
@ OP
can you please give me a slight hope that you will turn Automaton into a fully working AI bot that we could play on bnet? Like actually "Insane" AI, instead of the cheating crap we got from Blizzard. So that Zergling vs Tank AI isn't cheating? ...right In theory it isnt actually cheating a human could do it if he knew exactly how the tank targeting works also he would need like 8000 apm or something ridicilous like that so we will actually never get to see it(until that razor april fools machine becomes a reality at least). Oh also the human player would have to have the game sense to see which zergling would be targetted next(as the op says its the closest one so u should be able to deduce it :D) so not actually cheating just playing really really fast :D also theres a world of difference between a maphack and a extra minerals hack for the AI when we can make the games more fair by just giving them uber micro. A player cant over come extra minerals and extra info but he can overcome better control(how much better control a player can overcome is debatable but still the point stands :D) No human could do that. period. This would be a CHEAT if used on ladder. Dont argue that its not. You are missing the point. He's saying that the AI isn't breaking the rules of the game. The original post he's responding to calls Insane AI "the cheating crap we got from Blizzard", because to make it stronger, rather than make the AI smarter, Blizzard gave it the ability to break the rules of the game (maphack, mineral hack). As to whether it would be cheating to put a bot with abilities like these on the ladder (as the original post seems to suggest), I think as long as it was clearly labeled as a bot, that would be fine. Not sure what Blizzard's TOS say though.
Assuming it's anything like the WoW ToS, modifying the game in any way is a violation. The real question is will they enforce it.
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Wow, that was freaking crazy! It was awesome to just see all the other zerglings move out of the way right before the siege tank fires.
I'll have to watch the other videos now.
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Well I have a new impossible goal to aspire to now! yay!
Just you wait, I'll have better micro than you automaton 2000!
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On April 07 2011 17:55 Blurb wrote:
Burrow Roaches versus Forcefield/Stalker?
Could also be entertaining to see some dropship pickup micro.
Immortal / Warp Prism micro would be cool to see vs roaches or marauders.
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Hi there, an engineer myself, I have lots of ideas on this.
Run some iterations to find out the average functions of "X lings vs Y tanks, lings win (find the minimum value of X)" and the same with rines/banes. And/or "X lings can kill Y tanks with Z lings survive", also "X lings vs Y tanks, Z tanks survive".
Well, you could also do a general script where you check the speed, acceleration and range of two units to see if kiting is possible. When this is true, do a "kiting" AI.
Man, this sounds like homework, only MORE FUN! =D
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Those are both pretty awesome and fun to watch.
Would love to see something like roach vs a gateway colossus army
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Would be pretty cool to see on ladder one day, the other player says: do you object to playing an autonomous AI? If no answer or 'yes' answer, it ggs. If 'no' objection, it says glhf and plays on. How high do you think it could get?
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Props for using Dream Theater music, and nice work on the rest  .
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Requesting vidja of blink micro plz!! D:
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Brilliant, all I have to say. Looking forward to more. Blink obvious choice, but I'd love to see spreading against colossus?
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wow insane excuse me for being ignorant but in what concretly this would help ? to play against perfect micro AI ? Or is it just for show ? It seems like this bot can be abused on ladder o.o'?
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this is really awesome and i cant wait to see what else you manage to pull off in the future
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this was highly entertaining, nice vid.
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Really awesome like Severian said is kinda cheating. For a human to do that you would have to calculate which units the Tanks are targeting which would be a godly feat in its self then have the dexterity to split the lings in a fraction of a second I even think Superman would have trouble with it...if he was real
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with this bot the units that can kite stuff without being hit (marauders vs anything with range <6 ; banshees vs marines ; marines vs banes etc..) will become unkillable wich i think is pretty interesting for single player practice vs AI.
Anyways that video of the lings sure gave me a boner, sooo beautiful like little flowers =)=)=)
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Lol, I need that kind of micro. I'm looking forward to the stalker one.
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Seeing this, makes me realize that Starcraft 2 needs a "Target of target"-hotkey/function - That would be ace
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