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On April 06 2011 11:01 Neo.NEt wrote:
On a more serious note I've taken adderall every day for the last.... 16 or so months and here's what I'll say. Does it give you an advantage? It sure does.
I'll bite. Are you taking Adderall for the treatment of ADHD? Or is this illegitimate use?
Because if it's the former... yes, someone with untreated ADHD will perform poorly on many mental-focus activities such as Starcraft.
And if it's the latter... dear god, every day? o_O
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On April 06 2011 11:16 Sixto wrote:
Does it bother you when people take proteins while working out as well?
Totally different. Everyone eats/needs dietary protein. With weight training your protein needs increase. Supplementing (usually a whey source) is totally legitimate, common, legal, and most importantly, accessible to everyone. Therefore it doesn't provide an unfair edge over other people.
Accessing drugs illegally is not something most people could or would normally do. Nor is it accepted practice in this situation. Try again.
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i think we shouldnt discuss this with out being experts and knowing exactly what the drugs do and how they would work in SC2 environment.
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On April 06 2011 10:16 cynical wrote:
I would say no as well but I can't see them implementing any sort of drug testing anytime soon. I can't see them making pro gamers piss into a cup to see if they have taken anything. That just sounds weird. Don't think e-sports has evolved enough to that point yet.
Could you imagine Idra?
Idra: "First, I want to ensure that there are no sixpools while I am using the bathroom."
Tournament Referee: "You aren't currently playing starcraft, idra."
Idra: "Good. That takes care of the first issue. Next, I demand that InControl guards the bathroom door against blink stalkers."
Ref: "You really aren't getting this are you, whitey?"
Idra: "APOLOGIZE FOR PLAYING THAT RACE... card."
Ref: "Are you going to ask me to bring in some corrupters to prevent them from massing VRs or carriers?"
Idra: "Predicting my next move? A very useful talent toi have."
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I agree with the poster above. We can all make speculations that adderall does improve your game based upon the concentration it provides, however without proper testing we can't gauge the effects of the drug during sc2 use. Which leads to the next question, how could we gauge it?
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"It was recently brought to my attention, by none other than FnaticMSITT1, that there are indeed Starcraft 2 players who regularly take performance enhancing drugs at tournaments, some of which are as high-profile as the GSL"
i never said anything about gsl lol, also this should be in the sc2 general section
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You know what, you've hurt esports more than anyone by making this stupid thread.
Aderall is not a performance-enhancing drug. It is a medication for people who suffer (and yes SUFFER) from ADD.
Stop belittling their condition, and stop spreading falsities about how it makes you better at starcraft. It doesn't.
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Why not ban healthy foods too, because they also increase your ability to focus.
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Yo.
First off, AFAIK there have been no studies that actually prove that these types of drugs make you a better starcraft player. So right off the bat, I would say there is no reason to ban them until those studies have been done.
Also, I can speak from my experience that the one time when Adderall is not in the least bit helpful is when I am doing something stressful (playing SC2 in the GSL would probably qualify). It turns out most of us have built in stimulant producers for when we need them. I can however say that Adderall would help me practice more but that is about it.
These drugs are not healthy and you should not take them unless you have a really good reason (disability). If you want to know why, read the warnings.
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Well isn't adderall a prescription drug? How do you know some doesn't have ADHD? They'd have to have "illegal" means to come across it no? I mean I can't just walk up to CVS or HEB right now and just say "hey pharmacist, give me some ADHD medicine". i have Lorezapam which while i was on regular dosage i did notice i was a lot more calm and precise(not getting hyped in the heat of the moment) but I also had a legitimate reason for it. Now I've got a supply that i only use when i Need, and SC2 is not a "need" basis :D
There is of course lying by showing the "symptoms" of ADHD to a doctor to get prescribed the medicine, that is a whole other story.
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I think that people shouldn't use it illegally to gain some type of advantage, but obviously if someone has ADD and is prescribed the drug, you can't really tell them they can't take it.
I need to find the study I read on adderall that even though it does increase the focus, it stifles the creativity part of the brain, which would probably be used in mid-late game scenarios. I don't think we will ever know how much taking adderall would improve someones play but it shouldn't be used in the first place.
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On April 06 2011 11:42 Tossy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 11:16 Sixto wrote:
Does it bother you when people take proteins while working out as well? Totally different. Everyone eats/needs dietary protein. With weight training your protein needs increase. Supplementing (usually a whey source) is totally legitimate, common, legal, and most importantly, accessible to everyone. Therefore it doesn't provide an unfair edge over other people. Accessing drugs illegally is not something most people could or would normally do. Nor is it accepted practice in this situation. Try again.
Actually you will get enough protein from a normal daily diet to make any additional protein supplement a waste of money... The amounts people consume through supplements can't be metabolized quickly enough and just end up leaving your body as waste anyway.
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Adderall in competitive gaming? Ofcourse that shouldn't be allowed!
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On April 06 2011 12:12 thesmoosh wrote:
You know what, you've hurt esports more than anyone by making this stupid thread.
Aderall is not a performance-enhancing drug. It is a medication for people who suffer (and yes SUFFER) from ADD.
Stop belittling their condition, and stop spreading falsities about how it makes you better at starcraft. It doesn't.
Adderall is often prescribed for the treatment of ADD/ADHD. However, many people without a prescription use it to improve their concentration and to keep their energy levels up. I used to use it occasionally in college to help me study for finals and bang out long (e.g. 20+ page) papers, and it was a godsend. It gives you a massive energy boost and hugely improves your concentration powers. YOu can focus on a single activity for 8+ hours with minimal breaks.
Those who are trying to say adderall is no different from caffeine clearly haven't tried adderall before. Caffeine is not even remotely in the same league as amphetamines like adderall.
I used to play CS 1.6 at a pretty high level. I was a very good player sober, but whenever I competed under the effects of adderall, I became a monster. It won't turn a bronze player into a high masters player, but for two otherwise equally matched players, the one who is on adderall will have a definite advantage in stamina and concentration.
It's also quite dangerous and easily abused. I strongly believe that players should be drug-tested for the major tournaments/leagues where it is practical (e.g. some local LAN won't be testing players, but the GSL should be). Perhaps it isn't practical today, but down the road it most likely will be.
Testing would not only ensure that players are on equal footing, but also help protect their health (as adderall is quite a dangerous drug and can easily be abused/lead to death from overdose, dehydration, lack of sleep, etc.)
Before posting your thoughts, I recommend reading the wikipedia article on the drug: Wiki article on Adderall
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On April 06 2011 11:29 Tossy64 wrote:
Important points to consider:
- At least in Canada, Adderal, Ritalin, and other potentially abused psychostimulants also have legitimate uses and may be used by a Starcraft player who is being appropriately treated for his ADHD, for example.
Of course this medicine has legitimate medical uses and some definitely need it. I am perscribed to take 40 mg of Adderal a day for ADD and I can definitely confirm in every way it is a performing enhancing drug. In traditional professional sports, even if you were ADD there is no way you would ever be allowed to take amphetamines before you play. You actually can't take it at all, you would be immediately fired if they drug tested you and found out you were taking it. There is actually all kinds of stuff athletes can't take that although it has legitimate medical uses, it's considered unfair for some to have it and others not and therefore banned.
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imagine how well you could play with NZT! :O
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Wow didn't know...
this should definitely be barred 
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I was prescribed adderal in the past, and I stopped taking it because, like virtually every psychiatric drug, it's massively over prescribed beyond it's very limited needful purpose, and is largely detrimental to your health. I'd love to see some hard research on it actual boosting your ability over the course of a career, before I proclaim that it actually had any significant long term benefit, and that research isn't going to be done.
That said, It can have diminishing returns, and this can cause problems given the competitive environment of pro gaming. If its abuse is really prevalent, and I don't see why it wouldn't be, given its rampant abuse on college campuses, it could be worth stamping out just due to the negative health consequences of dependency. It'd also be a good message.
I strongly doubt they'll really feel like taking on board that additional cost and logistical hassle, especially when it will only serve to draw attention to something that they would rather just leave in the background.
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insert HuK interview here
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Are there any studies that show they increase gameplay performance?
Like real studies .....with more than people's opinion.
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