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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
March 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#21
Well, so much for getting rid of the viking flower. Thanks!
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
March 25 2011 04:00 GMT
#22
On March 25 2011 12:47 Ezekyle wrote:
Let's hope Blizzard realises that these cool tricks actually help the game and lets it stay in this time.


How does it help the game to hide the number of units you have? It doesn't even make sense for planes to stack up on top of each other. Hopefully this will be patched soon.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 25 2011 04:07 GMT
#23
Haha, a bypass on a fix. Great tip man, thanks!
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nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
March 25 2011 04:07 GMT
#24
It's not about hiding the number of units you have, it's about them all attacking at once on the first thing that comes in range of them and instantly evaporating it.
u gotta sk8
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 04:11:29
March 25 2011 04:08 GMT
#25
On March 25 2011 13:00 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 12:47 Ezekyle wrote:
Let's hope Blizzard realises that these cool tricks actually help the game and lets it stay in this time.


How does it help the game to hide the number of units you have? It doesn't even make sense for planes to stack up on top of each other. Hopefully this will be patched soon.


It's not even about hiding the number of units, which I think shows how little Blizzard actually understands about micro. It's about having all units on the same spot so that they'll all open fire simultaneously. It's a tactic that sacrifices mobility for stronger defensive presence, a fantastic complement to siege tanks and an interesting dynamic to Terran play. How does removing it make the game better?
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Jesushooves
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada553 Posts
March 25 2011 04:08 GMT
#26
On March 25 2011 13:00 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 12:47 Ezekyle wrote:
Let's hope Blizzard realises that these cool tricks actually help the game and lets it stay in this time.


How does it help the game to hide the number of units you have? It doesn't even make sense for planes to stack up on top of each other. Hopefully this will be patched soon.


You seriously think hiding information from your opponent isn't a good idea? Sure it doesn't make sense for planes to stack up on top of each other, but then again it doesn't make sense that all zerg units come from the same larvae, or that a BC is about a tenth of the size it should be in game, or that if protoss is so highly advanced, how come they lose to purely biological units?

This is a game, it doesn't have to make sense.
(Notice I didn't say "just" a game )
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nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 04:20:33
March 25 2011 04:18 GMT
#27
Is this the same guy that figured out "sockfolding?"

Edit: It appears so http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152345

Cool trick man.
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
March 25 2011 04:18 GMT
#28
On March 25 2011 13:08 Bear4188 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 13:00 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
On March 25 2011 12:47 Ezekyle wrote:
Let's hope Blizzard realises that these cool tricks actually help the game and lets it stay in this time.


How does it help the game to hide the number of units you have? It doesn't even make sense for planes to stack up on top of each other. Hopefully this will be patched soon.


It's not even about hiding the number of units, which I think shows how little Blizzard actually understands about micro. It's about having all units on the same spot so that they'll all open fire simultaneously. It's a tactic that sacrifices mobility for stronger defensive presence, a fantastic complement to siege tanks and an interesting dynamic to Terran play. How does removing it make the game better?


How does keeping it make the game better? It requires very little APM to use and virtually none to maintain. Anyone can do it, even a Bronze-leaguer; all they need to know is how to do it. You can do that just by reading this thread.

Now compare this to Mutalisk micro from SC1. This requires constant APM. A "Bronze-leaguer" can't even begin to do it well. Hell, even among professional players, there are some who do it better than others. That is skill depth.

These two kinds of things aren't even in the same ballpark. The Viking flower is problematic because it doesn't increase skill depth. It detracts from the game by making Vikings en masse far more powerful than they should be, while requiring nothing from the Terran player.
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pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
March 25 2011 04:19 GMT
#29
its actually useful for hiding units. you can hide your mutas on the cliff behind the main from ground units on shattered/lost temple.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 25 2011 04:20 GMT
#30
Rebirth of what?
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ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
March 25 2011 04:25 GMT
#31
On March 25 2011 12:14 ArvickHero wrote:
why does Blizzard have to keep patching away any cool trick that's "not intended by design" :\ I'm glad they werent patching BW past a year or so, otherwise it could've been bye bye Muta stacking


Agreed, same with stop lurkers. I mean there are some things that are clearly broken but I don't think this trick is one of them, it made the game interesting. I wish they would keep this kind of thing in the game. Not to mention I can't make my scouting overlord spaz out on their main base anymore :/
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
March 25 2011 04:25 GMT
#32
It never needed to be removed in the first place.

If you see a ball of vikings spinning, would you attack it with air anyway? What's the difference if you can't tell if it's 5 of 15.

It also leaves the vikings extremely vulnerable to a thor shot.
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holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
March 25 2011 04:41 GMT
#33
Awesome find! Hope Blizzard lets this viking flower stick around.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 04:44:34
March 25 2011 04:44 GMT
#34
You can actually still do a proper viking flower btw with an extension to this trick
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
March 25 2011 04:48 GMT
#35
I miss sockfolding sockfolder, truly I do. Very nice find, though it isn't as useful for phoenixes haha
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
RedLuck
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada253 Posts
March 25 2011 04:53 GMT
#36
makes you wonder how many more little micro tricks there are out there!

nice find :D
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mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
March 25 2011 04:55 GMT
#37
That poem was amazing. +1 for that alone.
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netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
March 25 2011 05:41 GMT
#38
oh here come sockfolder again. will try this later if i remember and choose to get vikings
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italiangymnast
Profile Joined December 2009
United States246 Posts
March 25 2011 05:55 GMT
#39
sockholder knows all the tricks =P
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tenordrummer
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada36 Posts
March 25 2011 06:10 GMT
#40
On March 25 2011 13:25 Mailing wrote:
It never needed to be removed in the first place.

If you see a ball of vikings spinning, would you attack it with air anyway? What's the difference if you can't tell if it's 5 of 15.

It also leaves the vikings extremely vulnerable to a thor shot.



or a well placed fungal growth! :D
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