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On March 24 2011 23:23 Markwerf wrote:
I like GSL way more then GSTL. There is much more preparation in the games from the players and it doesn't feel as random, overall just a bit better quality imo.
GSTL however has been very fortunate to get much more exciting series and very dramatic games (not good per se).
Teams in what is mainly a 1v1 sport just never makes sense to me. It's like the davis cup in tennis or relay races in swimming and athletics. The players themselves don't take them too serious and they are simply not prestigious, which is by the way the reason they are always late during the olympics otherwise none of the great athletes would be competing in them.
Team events are more dramatic but there simply isn't the same prestige as in 1v1 events and the drama is always forced by choosing a wacky format.
For example in athletics the best teams often lose the relay race because of dropping the estafet baton. In GSTL the drama is forced by having this strange winner stays on format where a great player can be knocked out for their team by losing just 1 game. It would make way more sense to just let the teams choose 4 or 5 players and let those play a BO3 against eachother, but that isn't as dramatic thus this format was taken.
GSTL is very entertaining and has more upsets then the normal GSL but GSL itself is still much higher quality. That may make it a bit more boring but I still prefer it. I rather watch wimbledon then the davis cup...
as a viewer I just want to have my popcorn and coke and have periodic 10 minutes of breathless excitement seizures. GSTL gives me that. no need to discuss ideals imo. GSTL has a beginning, a story and an end. it has its own character. I won't change it to anything.
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I loved both seasons of gstl, but i am not sure if it's just the system that is good or it was just good circumstances, who knows. maybe the 3rd season will be boring like most gsl seasons.
i am happy for SlayerS, they looked so happy when they won ^---^
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I always enjoyed the team leagues in broodwar a lot, and are happy to see them in sc2.
Gom has done a great job trying to provide as much content and enjoyment for us.
+ Show Spoiler +Plus I love Lim Yo Hwan and i'm so happy with the finals of the team league.
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Both GSTL finals were epic so far 9 games !!!
GSTL > GSL
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I don't see why it has to be an either/or thing. Any individual sport, which SC2 fundamentally is, needs some premier individual tournaments to determine the best of the best. That said, teamleague's are exciting and bring an element of drama to the proceedings not found elsewhere.
Both are needed, IMO.
Plus, there's the additional element in SC2 that it is still fairly unestablished. Guys like Boxer, Nada, Moon, etc. would be known regardless. But MC was considered a joke in BW. Others, like Leenock, are completely new.
The more venues there are, the more professional matches are being played, the more chances for players to build their reputations, become known, establish rivalries, etc. That in turn makes the game much better for spectators, because instead of watching unknowns, we're watching players we've become fans of over time. Seriously, would these finals have been so exciting if SlayerS weren't considered underdogs, precisely because everyone knows how dominant some of the guys on the other team are? "Beating MVP" is only a big deal because we know how amazing MVP is, and we only know that because of the GSL.
Thats whats great about having the GSL (Both Code S and Code A), the GSTL, the growing foreign scene, etc. Tons and tons of matches, in lots of different settings and formats, means many different players have different opportunities to prove themselves.
SC2 is becoming an incredible game, and an incredible e-sport, faster than I would have thought possible. When the GSL was first announced I wondered if SC2 could sustain a tournament like that, but it turned out that was only the beginning and its grown tremendously ever since.
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I like both but I have to admit GSTL is more exciting. I also hope this format evolves to a bigger event in the future ala proleague.
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team leagues are much more exciting
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I think this is really random
The most important factor is the entertainment value of the games and GTSL produced better games this season
e.g.
In GTSL the final was score was 5-4 with an epic 30minutes deciding game while the GSL final was a one-sided rape
If it was the other way round, the poll would look extremly different
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Winners League format has always produced good tension and drama. Every individual match has a story woven into it, and the things at stake are greater than just one player's career.
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I have loved the GSTLs for sure, but GSL feels like the pinnacle of competitive SC2 to me, it is somehow more pure. My favorite physical sport is boxing and I love chess so its probably a personal thing. Primarily I want to know who is the best player in the world, not the best team or best coach.
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After the greatest match in SC2 history today, I don't think there can be a question of which is more entertaining.
GSTL BY FAR.
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I find the GSTL much more interesting / chill-inducing.
I can't exactly say why that is, but I believe there are three main factors at play:
#1: The series are in general longer than a typical Bo3 or Bo5 in the individual leagues. Even before the finals a match consists of at least 4 games That wouldn't really matter since there are more games a day in the 1v1 league, but since most viewers (including me) are usually looking forward to one match in particular (foreigners playing, MC/MvP/Nestea playing, some other player that you really like etc. ), the excitement really only goes on in that particular few series.
#2: The games are simply more awesome. Due to the format many players with many different styles play against each other all the time, a lot of upsets happen and many unknown players get a chance to shine.
#3: Rooting for teams isn't as disappointing as rooting for a player sometimes. When a single player loses his series, well, that's it. When you watch a team play, one player can lose because he's having a bad day, but there will still be a lot of other players left. You can hold on to your excitement much longer when your team is on the brink of destruction by having it's last player playing, and it's just amazing to see a team pull off a complete comeback.
Now we just have to wait until R1CH uses his magic wand to enable team icons in the forums here 
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I just want them to switch between Winners league-format and normal format so that we get a good mix. And that they make it an actual league and not a tournament. PLEASE GOM PLEASE
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On March 24 2011 23:50 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
I think this is really random
The most important factor is the entertainment value of the games and GTSL produced better games this season
e.g.
In GTSL the final was score was 5-4 with an epic 30minutes deciding game while the GSL final was a one-sided rape
If it was the other way round, the poll would look extremly different
Not true. Look at the same polls in Brood war and I bet you my life that the results will be the same.
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On March 25 2011 00:03 Slakter wrote:
I just want them to switch between Winners league-format and normal format so that we get a good mix. And that they make it an actual league and not a tournament. PLEASE GOM PLEASE
i believe it would happen if the infrastructure is in place (more teams catching the eye of sponsors, more up and coming new players, creation of more teams). so far they are just setting the foundations.
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Probably a dumb question, but google seems to be failing me. Where do you watch GSTL games?
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The thing I think is interesting is that without the normal GSL we wouldnt know exactly who the great players where and MMA's giant slaying wouldn't mean as much. I think they work very well hand in hand.
Don't think anyone was suggesting getting rid of GSL in favor of GSTL, but just wanted to make sure all bases were covered...
Also someday we're gonna get another great final like Nestea vs MKP. It's just been a shame that the finals recently have all been pretty terrible. 
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I think the GSL having Code S and Code A split up isn't such a good thing. I found the first 3 seasons of the GSL WAY more entertaining when there was a lot of unknown talent upsetting the big guns.
I also think the format of the GSL has hurt it a little, and even though the quality of games has gone up, I think the competition itself isn't quite as exciting as it used to be (even though i still love it) as it used to be a 128 player competition pre-Code A/S split up.
GSTL is just great to have also and an awesome watch! 
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On March 25 2011 00:09 ensign_lee wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but google seems to be failing me. Where do you watch GSTL games?
They are streamed live on Gomtv, if not you can buy the ticket from Gomtv for the VODS.
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