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KoDo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States683 Posts
March 24 2011 15:38 GMT
#241
I think people enjoy team leagues more because they're more uncommon than tournaments. It's interesting to see multiple good players vs another because you never see them on a team together. Where in a tournament it's something you watch every day so it's not as exciting
robin19999
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands246 Posts
March 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#242
I find GSTL more interesting than GSL, because you see a lot of player you don't see in GSL yet which are really really good. You also see a bit more strategy (which player to send out when?). And last but not least, we see less cheese because nobody wants to cheese and lose for their whole team.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 24 2011 15:44 GMT
#243
I think that especially both GSTL 1 and 2 finals has been the best I've ever seen both from GSL and GSTL. This year was totally nice and I absolutely love it! However first season was better with Startale vs IM. I remember the BM between those teams were quite sick and they're battling back and forth. So close until the very end also with IM winning 5-4.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
FOUTWENTYSIXTY
Profile Joined November 2010
89 Posts
March 24 2011 15:44 GMT
#244
There's not enough strategies in GSL proper over a series. If both players open with their standard build and one loses you can see how the series will fall. In temal league if one player is great at PvZ the other coach can swap in a Protoss and take him out and the series is unpredictable again.
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 15:51:42
March 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#245
The biggest problem with most of the GSL finals so far is that one side of the bracket usually produces a much stronger finalist than the other. Other than Fruitdealer's run, which was such a Cinderella story at a time when Zerg was so weak, and NesTea, which was a close 7-game finals, they've been pretty lopsided.

Something that might spice up the regular GSL is to have a "tournament of champions". After we've accumulated 8 different GSL champions, throw them in a tournament together; three rounds, all best of 7 (maybe best of 5 for the first round). Imagine MVP, MC, FruitDealer, NesTea and four other GSL champs battling it out. That would produce some top quality games.

Or you could take a group of GSL champs and do some sort of round-robin so that there is constant variety in match-ups.

Either way, putting together a tournament with just the best of the best of the best should definitely produce quality games.
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
March 24 2011 16:10 GMT
#246
On March 24 2011 23:50 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
I think this is really random
The most important factor is the entertainment value of the games and GTSL produced better games this season
e.g.
In GTSL the final was score was 5-4 with an epic 30minutes deciding game while the GSL final was a one-sided rape
If it was the other way round, the poll would look extremly different


No it's different.
In GSL, if you have a 5-0 it's a clear game. One player dominating the other, either because of matchup (one plays his best, the other his worst), or one player just not having a good day.
In GSTL, you have an all kill. One player dominating a lot of other races (not just one matchup) and also dealing with possible snipers, who only trained to kill you.

Another point is concentration and stamina. If you dont have to play BO 7/9 you can go all out during one game, go to great lengths to try to comeback. If you lose it doesnt change anything (hell you even exhaust your opponent more), but if you win you have gotten one more point for your team. It doesnt matter that you would fall apart in the next game.
In a GSL situation it would be more logical to get over with the loss and concentrate on the next games, so most players dont look for those "epic comebacks".

So I'd say GSTLs have greater potential to be more epic compared to normal GSLs.
It's also more fun to see a bunch of guys be happy about a win & doing their ceremonies compared to a single guy standing there & kissing his trophy (FBH of SC2 where are you?).
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 24 2011 16:16 GMT
#247
so i think last gstl was not a coincidence.

I hope GOM will consider making the team league a more central point of their season. Or at least make it on par with the individual leagues.

As mentioned all over this thread, various reasons such as sniping, race dynamic, stamina, maps make the potential of drama in a team league way more likely.

udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:19:31
March 24 2011 16:17 GMT
#248
On March 25 2011 00:50 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
The biggest problem with most of the GSL finals so far is that one side of the bracket usually produces a much stronger finalist than the other. Other than Fruitdealer's run, which was such a Cinderella story at a time when Zerg was so weak, and NesTea, which was a close 7-game finals, they've been pretty lopsided.

Something that might spice up the regular GSL is to have a "tournament of champions". After we've accumulated 8 different GSL champions, throw them in a tournament together; three rounds, all best of 7 (maybe best of 5 for the first round). Imagine MVP, MC, FruitDealer, NesTea and four other GSL champs battling it out. That would produce some top quality games.

Or you could take a group of GSL champs and do some sort of round-robin so that there is constant variety in match-ups.

Either way, putting together a tournament with just the best of the best of the best should definitely produce quality games.


GOM doesn't have a tournament of champions setup, but they do have a tournament where invites will be based off of points accrued in GSL tournaments and top 10 players will be invited.

It's basically a tournament that awards bonuses for good performance over the 2011 GSL schedule.

5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational
- The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament.
- Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on.
- There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day

Blizzard Cup
10th place : 1,500,000won
9th place : 3,000,000won
8th place : 5,000,000won
7th place : 7,000,000won
6th place : 9,000,000won
5th place : 12,000,000won
4th place : 15,000,000won
3rd place : 20,000,000won
Runner-up : 30,000,000won (~$26,819.25)
Champion : 50,000,000won (~$44,698.75)

pretty sick to get at least 26.8K if you top the points total at the end of the year
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
HavoK.
Profile Joined March 2010
United States172 Posts
March 24 2011 16:28 GMT
#249
GSTL is definintly really exciting and interesting to see how the coaches make their decisions and you to play in the given situation. But i cant discredit GSL because its so hype what sanZenith did was just baller and july was hyped up too!
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
March 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#250
I think the longer series contributes to how fun the games are to watch.

Cheese and all-in games are much more exciting when you know there will almost definitely be macro games to back it up. Individual leagues are exciting, but it's kind of a bummer to see your favorite player get knocked out in two games and then be gone forever.
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Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
March 24 2011 16:51 GMT
#251
GSTL is definitely better in my opinion. Has a better.. community feel to it.
chokke
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway228 Posts
March 24 2011 16:57 GMT
#252
I definitly like GSTL more. It's more "chess" to it.

Like, team A puts out a player that is known to be really agressive, and team B puts in a more macro-oriented player that would dominate if the game went on, but it does not and thus he is eliminated. If it was normal GSL, he would either have to choose a style he is uncomfertable with, but with GSTL the team chooses the next hero to go on the battlefield by choosing a player that can cope with the style of Team A's current player.

It adds much more excitement to think around which player that can be chosen, compared to what build a player might use.

And ceremonies is kind of cooler to .
Freebirdo7
Profile Joined February 2011
United States163 Posts
March 24 2011 17:31 GMT
#253
Im a big fan of the GSTL and would LOVE to see it expanded for more teams, be awesome to see foreign teams like Liquid and EG's
Alver
Profile Joined November 2010
United States177 Posts
March 24 2011 17:38 GMT
#254
in theory id rather see a team league but for right now id rather see regular gsl because the teams arent very close in skill levels right now and the coaches seem to be making terrible choices of who to send out because they want to raise the profile for their players sending out too many of their lesser players and what seems to be like not countering players correctly.

aside from that this gtsl has too many terrans, i think i heard in yesterdays gtsl that its been 65%~ terrans playing so far =\ imo one of the best things about a team league is your more likely to get good class balance than a single elimination bracket but it doesnt seem to be the case for some reason..
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 24 2011 17:52 GMT
#255
The problem with the Pro league thing is that you got to have some serious money behind it to support the whole thing. In BW, that's actually where the investors pour down their money the most, because of the number of games actually play, and the length of the event, and the fact that it is all week long.

Sc2 doesn't have this kind of viability yet, i guess because of the fact that it is not on a national tv station. I know it is showed on Hanibi or something, but it's not big enough of a tv station to justify the investment. The situation with Blizzard and the two gaming stations doesn't help that at all.

I guess we can all hope for the situation to be solved fast, so that the SC2 exposure expand beyond the internet.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 18:40:08
March 24 2011 18:38 GMT
#256
A very interesting side effect of GSTL is that new players arise, and those players will usually be in code A next GSL season, so this hype things up.
And now I'm so scared of a MMA vs MVP in code A round 1, or any other matchup where 2 GSTL "stars" players will fight...usually I'm against bracket fixing, but I hope GOM will do something to avoid this.
For instance, they should allow the MVP players (players who have been awarded a MVP for a GSTL day) to choose their opponent for instance. Or seed them so they can't fight each other in round one.
Eluadyl
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey364 Posts
March 24 2011 18:59 GMT
#257
One thing to add;

I think team matches are easier to follow because teams provide a larger center of attention than a bunch of individuals. This leads to the feeling of more excitement imho.

I could be wrong though.
Not enough energy
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 24 2011 19:03 GMT
#258
I really hope that GOM or some other company puts more resources into the GSTL since it would be quite awesome to have it on a more regular basis.

Right now, the GOM tournaments are quite linear. GSL to GSTL to GSL, alternating without overlapping with a few cool events thrown in there like the World Team League. This is much unlike BW, where Proleague would be run regularly alongside and parallel to the OSL and MSL, thus allowing us to sometimes have up to 3 events running alongside simultaneously. I really hope that some sort of broadcasted SC2 team league can be created to run parallel to the actual GSL so that we can get more of this awesomeness.
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Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
March 24 2011 19:07 GMT
#259
On March 25 2011 03:38 MrCon wrote:
And now I'm so scared of a MMA vs MVP in code A round 1


Naaah don't worry ,
+ Show Spoiler +
it'll be MVP vs Leenock at first round


Kidding aside , I'm pretty sure GOM will reconsider a bigger team league idea if GSTL subscription numbers get high enough. I mean they don't have the luxury to do whatever they want after all , they have to ( and probably gladly ) please their costumers and viewer base.

On the other hand , I feel a big portion of GSL viewers doesn't even know about GSTL. Of course most of the TL users know & love it but I doubt it's that well known among casual followers. GSTL needs more ad , love and hype I guess.
Lori.
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany97 Posts
March 24 2011 19:10 GMT
#260
Subscribe for GSTL is a joke, 5$ for 4-5Days? Not worth it.
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