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On March 17 2011 12:29 avilo wrote:
Also, how does it help attract public attention to the sport when spectators in the end would just be left with, "oh yeah, sc2, i've heard of that tournament in cali. I'd watch but it's boring when those asian guys always win."
What the FUCK is with people thinking that asians are 'boring'?
This sort of shit is seriously starting to piss me off.
Hey guy, losing games while playing terribly does not make for an exciting game.
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize korea banned grr and maynard and the foreigners from coming to play their osl/msl in an effort to grow their esport first without good outside influences...oh wai...
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Fyi--
If only the best players were invited, there would be basically nothing but Koreans minus a handful of the "white dudes" that have been in GSL. So as far as naniwa saying bring it on..you wouldn't even be in the league if it was only the absolute best.
Secondly, look at baseball. You have lots of good players, some from other countries, mostly from America and I guess Canada. Teams player each other every year in the world championship, I think Korea and Japan tend to do quite well, but regardless MLB thrives in America irregardless of their performance globally.
You don't need things to be global to do well, it has to do well in your own country. In this case, esports is rather dried up in North America so focusing on the region and players of said region is likely far more productive instead of finding the best Koreans and flying them all over the world to win it all. Of course, people want to be ignorant and just wanna watch the best games so its all a moot point.
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As TLC said: "I don't want no scrubs, a scrub is a boy that can get no love from me."
The "foreigners" (non-koreans! THIS ALONE should show you the homeland of Starcraft!) need to man the fuck up. If they're going to consistently say they can do well against Koreans, they need to prove it. I understand not everyone can go to the GSL, but come on man.
Do we really want anything other than the best possible level of gameplay? Not me. You don't see anyone watching any other league than the NFL for football or NBA for basketball.
I'm sure my feelings have been expressed hundreds of times in this thread, but I want to add my two cents.
Also, I don't care about progamer's personal lives. Give me a couple interviews and I'm happy. I don't want drama. Give me rivalries because they consistently play against one another, and I'm happy. I don't want no scrubs. Give me at least CLOSE to the best players in the world.
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On March 17 2011 12:53 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 12:29 avilo wrote:
Also, how does it help attract public attention to the sport when spectators in the end would just be left with, "oh yeah, sc2, i've heard of that tournament in cali. I'd watch but it's boring when those asian guys always win."
What the FUCK is with people thinking that asians are 'boring'? This sort of shit is seriously starting to piss me off. Hey guy, losing games while playing terribly does not make for an exciting game.
I'm with you on that one, but I think Avilo is primarily alone in this, seriously what he said is just full of shit.
"Oh yeah I've heard of that tournament in Korea, the GSL, it's boring because asian guys only win, "oh yeah I've heard of that tournament nationally, the NBA, it's boring becuase only black guys win."
Why is race as an entertainment factor even an issue? It's sad that possible players in the NASL have to resort to race jabs as a reason for Koreans not to be in the NASL.
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I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion
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On March 17 2011 11:54 Dox wrote:
This is very similar to the SEA-SL refusing to allow mOOn-GLaDe, an Australian, to compete simply because he's too good. I understand that you want to encourage competition, but really... these players shouldn't be penalised for their success.
Refusing Glade the chance to play is ridiculous. I only heard about this from your post. If more people were aware about this, I'd imagine there'd be more outrage.
You don't encourage competition by banning the most skilled individuals from participating. I would think that Australia would want to promote someone like Moonglade, not punish him. Moonglade raised the bar for Australians, SEA-SL has just lowered it.
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On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion
Good thing this tournament has a fair and unbiased qualification system.
Except not. It's an invitational system. (I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing)
Also good thing that the GSL qualification system favors Koreans... Except the free seeds into Code A were given to foreigners.
By your logic, Koreans should be given an advantage like the foreigners who attended the GSL. Come on.
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I wish it was possible to make this a LAN event like GSL, where you need to come to the United States to play, whther it's in New York City or Los Angeles or wherever. Then just like GSL anyone willing to make the trip can attempt to qualify.
Unfortunately due to the size of North America you can't really do that, but one can dream.
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On March 17 2011 13:05 Ome wrote:
I wish it was possible to make this a LAN event like GSL, where you need to come to the United States to play, whther it's in New York City or Los Angeles or wherever. Then just like GSL anyone willing to make the trip can attempt to qualify.
Unfortunately due to the size of North America you can't really do that, but one can dream.
Has nothing to do with the size, they just don't have the money and they're not sure they can attract enough sponsors/viewers/players to make the revenue to support it. ESPORTS in Korea are much larger than in America, especially for Starcraft.
EDIT: Because keep in mind, the cost of running a permanent season to season tournament professionally is immense. NASL only has to foot the bill for the Ro16 I believe? Also, they might shoot themselves in the foot by asking players to come, because of the talent that has gone/is going to Korea. Also, Korea has a few other SC2 tournaments running in the same studios, such as the GSL team league.
Also, there's not as many full time players who would actually change their location for Starcraft.
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On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion
You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive.
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i'm kinda surprised that some of the pro foreigners care so much about the money.
why are you playing sc2 full time if you want to make money? is playing against garbage competition for money your goal?
i would have thought that people become pro gamers because they love the game, because they're passionate enough to delay their studies to compete against the best. if you want to make easy money so bad, why the hell are you playing sc2 professionally? go get a job.
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On March 17 2011 13:12 svi wrote:
i'm kinda surprised that some of the pro foreigners care so much about the money.
why are you playing sc2 full time if you want to make money? is playing against garbage competition for money your goal?
i would have thought that people become pro gamers because they love the game, because they're passionate enough to delay their studies to compete against the best. if you want to make easy money so bad, why the hell are you playing sc2 professionally? go get a job.
Exactly.
But whats even worse, some of them are not even that professional.
But they want to make easy money anyway, so they resort to whining and attacking the real pros.
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On March 17 2011 13:08 Zeke50100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive.
They should still have to earn their spot in the tournament. Just have them go through the qualifier tourney if they really want to play don't invite them in to pump up the league.
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On March 17 2011 12:53 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I'm sorry. I didn't realize korea banned grr and maynard and the foreigners from coming to play their osl/msl in an effort to grow their esport first without good outside influences...oh wai...
Nice bit of history. : )
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On March 17 2011 13:12 svi wrote:
i'm kinda surprised that some of the pro foreigners care so much about the money.
why are you playing sc2 full time if you want to make money? is playing against garbage competition for money your goal?
i would have thought that people become pro gamers because they love the game, because they're passionate enough to delay their studies to compete against the best. if you want to make easy money so bad, why the hell are you playing sc2 professionally? go get a job.
I'm going to step in and say that it (hopefully) is probably not about the money. I think, realistically, out of a pool of 50, likely 30 of the players have only a very outside chance of the first place prize. I'm sure for a lot of the players, they're more interested in a chance to play in a highly publicized tournament that tons of people will watch. Basically, a chance to build up their names and become one of the top players.
Still, I'm sure the players who have a chance of being in the NASL are biased. I mean, obviously, I wouldn't expect otherwise. The voice that matters is the community, since they'll be the ones watching.
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On March 17 2011 13:19 Locustrockz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:08 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive. They should still have to earn their spot in the tournament. Just have them go through the qualifier tourney if they really want to play don't invite them in to pump up the league.
If anything, I think it's the amateur non-Koreans that have to "earn their spot in the tournament and have to go through a qualifier".
Invite people who we already know are good, and make people who are less known go duke it out themselves through a qualifier.
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On March 17 2011 13:19 Locustrockz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:08 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive. They should still have to earn their spot in the tournament. Just have them go through the qualifier tourney if they really want to play don't invite them in to pump up the league.
You should read this thread before making such statements. The only thing you are actually doing is wasting people's time.
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On March 17 2011 13:19 Locustrockz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:08 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive. They should still have to earn their spot in the tournament. Just have them go through the qualifier tourney if they really want to play don't invite them in to pump up the league.
I responded to this already, but apparently you missed it--
None of the other players "earned" their spot in that way, they "earned" their spot (when we find out who's in the tournament) by making a name for themselves. This is an invitational tournament.
Assuming invites are based at all on skill, it makes obvious sense to invite Koreans. Scroll up a bit in the thread to see my comparison to the GSL, and why what you're saying doesn't make sense.
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On March 17 2011 13:19 Locustrockz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:08 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 17 2011 13:03 Locustrockz wrote:
I don't think any Koreans should be invited to play I think that they should have to go through the qualifier tournament like the foreigners have to for GSL. The tournament is obviously centered around getting SC2 going in NA not getting Koreans to come play here. That's just my opinion You assume "getting SC2 going in NA" and "getting Koreans to come play here" are mutually exclusive. They should still have to earn their spot in the tournament. Just have them go through the qualifier tourney if they really want to play don't invite them in to pump up the league.
Why should Koreans, specifically, be treated differently? Why should they have to go through a qualifier tournament (meaning there will most likely be a cap on the number of qualifiers, since the rest are invites) in order to play?
The very thought that Koreans will have a negative effect on the overall goal of improving the e-sports scene in NA, therefore the acceptation of a method that inherently limits or treats them differently, is just stupid. There is no need.
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