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On March 16 2011 17:36 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:30 nihlon wrote:
If you'd invite "the best players in the world" we would have a league full of almost exclusively Koreans based players that except for a few english speaking once would at most interact with the community in poorly translated interviews. That doesn't sound very exciting to me... If we wanted dramas and exposures we would be watching Jersey Shore or American Idol. Highest level of tournament deserves highest level of players.
How is that a response to what I wrote? I would find a NASL league with 50 Korean base player boring since the production value will be much lower than the GSL with basically the same players. And you wouldn't have any good way to provide interviews etc. And wtf did you get the idea I want dramas and exposures (whatever that means)?
By all means invite Koreans but if we are going with the mantra "invite the best players" we would have almost exclusivly Koreans. I'd rather watch and pay for gsl.
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On March 16 2011 17:48 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:36 baoluvboa wrote:On March 16 2011 17:30 nihlon wrote:
If you'd invite "the best players in the world" we would have a league full of almost exclusively Koreans based players that except for a few english speaking once would at most interact with the community in poorly translated interviews. That doesn't sound very exciting to me... If we wanted dramas and exposures we would be watching Jersey Shore or American Idol. Highest level of tournament deserves highest level of players. How is that a response to what I wrote? I would find a NASL league with 50 Korean base player boring since the production value will be much lower than the GSL with basically the same players. And you wouldn't have any good way to provide interviews etc. And wtf did you get the idea I want dramas and exposures (whatever that means)? By all means invite Koreans but if we are going with the mantra "invite the best players" we would have almost exclusivly Koreans. I'd rather watch and pay for gsl.
I don't think 50 koreans will be able to afford all those flights back and forth to compete in both tournaments...
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On March 16 2011 17:50 tnt_titan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:48 nihlon wrote:On March 16 2011 17:36 baoluvboa wrote:On March 16 2011 17:30 nihlon wrote:
If you'd invite "the best players in the world" we would have a league full of almost exclusively Koreans based players that except for a few english speaking once would at most interact with the community in poorly translated interviews. That doesn't sound very exciting to me... If we wanted dramas and exposures we would be watching Jersey Shore or American Idol. Highest level of tournament deserves highest level of players. How is that a response to what I wrote? I would find a NASL league with 50 Korean base player boring since the production value will be much lower than the GSL with basically the same players. And you wouldn't have any good way to provide interviews etc. And wtf did you get the idea I want dramas and exposures (whatever that means)? By all means invite Koreans but if we are going with the mantra "invite the best players" we would have almost exclusivly Koreans. I'd rather watch and pay for gsl. I don't think 50 koreans will be able to afford all those flights back and forth to compete in both tournaments...
Korean Air won't mind. I don't think it'll be even close to 50 koreans either lol.
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I'm saying that you are placing the cultural aspect too highly. Interviews will be fine with translators and the focus should be on the game play. The best players would be exciting due to their impeccable game quality, not because they have a "fun" personality. You think we are watching 2 hours of sc2 gameplay or 2 hours of interaction with the players?
GSL doesn't cover all the best possible players since the competition is so high, thus NASL will also benefit from Korean players that didn't make the GSL along with foreigners.
On March 16 2011 17:54 papaz wrote:
Obviously, looking at the poll, Pokebunny isn't speaking for the majority.
People want to watch the best of the best duke it out.
Sorry, but there are no "epic" stories behind 18-23 year old guys playing starcraft 2 that is going to make me "attached" to NASL. Just because they speak english and tell me about what they do in their spare time isn't going to make me wanna buy or watch the NASL.
The only thing that will make me watch the NASL is if the competition is at its highest level. Period.
I feel the same way in my post
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Obviously, looking at the poll, Pokebunny isn't speaking for the majority.
People want to watch the best of the best duke it out.
Sorry, but there are no "epic" stories behind 18-23 year old guys playing starcraft 2 that is going to make me "attached" to NASL. Just because they speak english and tell me about what they do in their spare time isn't going to make me wanna buy or watch the NASL.
The only thing that will make me watch the NASL is if the competition is at its highest level. Period.
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I would say no limitation, but the team or the player has to deal with the costs of the endeavor. Much like what happened in WC3 (although Koreans or any other nationality weren't that dominating as compared with BW).
Now if the restriction is NA only, make sure it's only NA players (people living in CA, US, and Mex). No EU, Asia, or whatever. Maybe invite a few EU and Asian players for showmatches (with prizes in line or maybe some form of payment). I would like to watch players like NaDa or JulyZerg coming here to play in the US.
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I would say about 5 koreans for first tournament and then up to 10 (10 being maximum cap) for the rest.
And also. July must play incontrol so that after the match there might be some wrestling action (well incontrol still can lose even in that)
Having koreans playing in western tournaments is great for both sides. It forces the western players to improve themselves (well not Idra - he would blame all loses on imbalance) so that they would win playing infront of their fans. Also its good for koreans. Maybe they will stop behaving like robots and have some fun. At IEM they looked very tensed.
PS. It would be good if NASL people invite different koreans than those playing in TSL.
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People say NASL can't just have a playerbase that is purely based on skill. But thats exactly what the league is going to be. The 16 worst players each season will go out and be replaced by players from the open tournament. After several seasons only good players will be left.
Its only going to be an invitational the first season as far as I have understood.
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On March 16 2011 17:54 papaz wrote:
Obviously, looking at the poll, Pokebunny isn't speaking for the majority.
People want to watch the best of the best duke it out.
Sorry, but there are no "epic" stories behind 18-23 year old guys playing starcraft 2 that is going to make me "attached" to NASL. Just because they speak english and tell me about what they do in their spare time isn't going to make me wanna buy or watch the NASL.
The only thing that will make me watch the NASL is if the competition is at its highest level. Period.
/Salute
*single (manly) tear falling from eye*
This is the glorious NASL that we need, the best of the best regardless of race or nationality.
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Most of the bigger soccer leagues in the world have limits on how many foreigners there can be on a team. Just saying everything should be open without limits may sound good in theory but in practise there is many reasons why that might not be the best idea.
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On March 16 2011 18:12 nihlon wrote:
Most of the bigger soccer leagues in the world have limits on how many foreigners there can be on a team. Just saying everything should be open without limits may sound good in theory but in practise there is many reasons why that might not be the best idea.
Really? That's new to me. O.o
Can you tell me what soccer leagues?
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On March 16 2011 18:06 TheCrow wrote:
People say NASL can't just have a playerbase that is purely based on skill. But thats exactly what the league is going to be. The 16 worst players each season will go out and be replaced by players from the open tournament. After several seasons only good players will be left.
Its only going to be an invitational the first season as far as I have understood.
More the reason to have diverse first season invites. Let the Koreans that have a real interest to compete in the league qualify for the nest season. I think they should only invite the top of each region. Just make a even split.
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On March 16 2011 10:52 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 10:38 Looky wrote:On March 16 2011 10:36 Ghost-z wrote:On March 16 2011 10:16 XsebT wrote:On March 16 2011 10:08 Ghost-z wrote:
NASL is a privately run INVITATIONAL league. They will invite whoever the fuck they want be it Korean, American or South African. I'm gonna make an sc2 invitational tournament. At stake: everything I have, seriously. Streamed two hours every day with an extreme amount of commercials. Or skip the commercials if you buy the premium stream! Invites: Myself, my cat and that old lady from across the street. Get fucking hyped. Perfect straw man argument you've made! But that's fine, it's your show so you make the rules. However I will not be watching your show. I will be watching the NASL. thats what the nasl is No, it's not. You created a strawman: a parody of the actual argument that is designed to be weaker than that argument, in a desperate attempt to show that the original argument is weak. It doesn't actually show that, because you're arguing against something else. The fact that you think excluding Koreans from the NASL is equivalent to inviting yourself, your cat, and an old lady shows about how much you respect non-Korean SC2 players.
Yes, they can do whatever they want. But if they want my respect, they better setup an actual competition.
I think it's quite obvious that I'm not actually comparing a foreign player with my cat. It was to setup an exaggerated example of what can happen if they don't care about competition. They can put on the best show ever, but if the competition isn't there, I'm not impressed.
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On March 16 2011 18:14 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 18:06 TheCrow wrote:
People say NASL can't just have a playerbase that is purely based on skill. But thats exactly what the league is going to be. The 16 worst players each season will go out and be replaced by players from the open tournament. After several seasons only good players will be left.
Its only going to be an invitational the first season as far as I have understood. More the reason to have diverse first season invites. Let the Koreans that have a real interest to compete in the league qualify for the nest season. I think they should only invite the top of each region. Just make a even split.
Yep 20/15/15 should be nice. I would even be okay with 20/20/10 Koreans
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Ok listen.
Everybody saying "I don't care about drama!!" are missing the point here.
The point is, that the producers of the NASL, the people behind it, DO care about drama. And their decisions will be influenced by this.
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On March 16 2011 18:20 Subversion wrote:
Ok listen.
Everybody saying "I don't care about drama!!" are missing the point here.
The point is, that the producers of the NASL, the people behind it, DO care about drama. And their decisions will be influenced by this.
Dramas will come naturally with the stiffest competition. MC vs MVP, even if they are robots (which mc is not) will create the biggest drama in history between their fans if they meet in final for example. No need an amazing personality that will lose first round and get zero exposure later.
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Interesting games are always a plus! I always would like to see the top players duke it out. Nevertheless, just invite Koreans that are interested, but its bad to put a cap on just "Koreans." Maybe some are even willing to fly over and experience a totally different lifestyle from theirs?
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As I somewhat said in my first post in this thread, I believe world cup style tournaments are the most exciting for everyone. Therefore an even split between the regions would be best. Everyone gets "their" team, and we also get to see the top players from around the world duke it out.
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I'm against restricting invites based on race, or anything that can be interpreted as tied to a race (such as skill level or ability to speak English), but honestly if I tuned into the NASL and half of the players were speaking non-English I'd be frustrated. If NASL is truly going for entertainment value for a primarily North American audience, I feel that they should require the ability to speak English understandably. I don't think anything else should really factor in.
Translators don't cut it, no matter how awesome John has proved they can be.
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GSL-caliber matches in NA primetime? Yes please. I'd love to see the best players in the world all participating in NASL.
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