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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:01 MadCatZ wrote: its because of it being badly named they call it Northamerican SL but its not sticking to its name North American doesn't mean "only people from North America". It means "hosted in North America" >.< Besides, even if it WERE to be only North Americans, I don't see you calling out EU players on trying to qualify. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:56 r33k wrote: I would say to let them play, as long as they submit videos like everyone else. Everyone who submitted their application has been waiting for this sort of event with passion, having koreans just ferried over and basically handed over the money without them actually making any efforts is retarded. In general, the approach that korean players have towards the NASL sounds more and more like "hi me [insert name here] give me monies me play kkkkk". No korean, so far, has taken the effort of explaining why they should be in the NASL. They need a translator? Let them fetch one. It's in their best interest to be part of the NASL, they do not deserve any free invites regardless of their level of play. Agreed. Pokebunny attacks July for reading off a piece of paper. How does he know he didn't write that? I know when I was learning to speak Spanish they let me write down what i wanted to say at first because remembering all that shit is HARD. You're going to criticize him for that? Jinro/TL players don't even speak ANY Korean, and they're still allowed in there. It doesn't mean he's got passion, hell I'd argue that even TRYING to speak English for this audition vid speaks of incredible passion (or money, or w/e. Motivation is unimportant. Half of the NA players are also only applying for the money). Try learning a language and then speaking it, you know poorly, for the internet to see. I'd be hella embaressed. I give him props for trying. July proves he's one of the best by going so far in the GSL. Why would you prevent him from playing just because he's from Korea/needs a translator? So do TL players in Korea. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:01 MadCatZ wrote: its because of it being badly named they call it Northamerican SL but its not sticking to its name here in australia we have the mebourne cup.. but we dont restrict it to horses from only melbourne. just because a tournement or event is named after a town country continent or what ever doesnt mean its just for people in it. and it is sticking to its name. its called the NASL because its held in NA......*lightbulb* | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:56 r33k wrote: I would say to let them play, as long as they submit videos like everyone else. Everyone who submitted their application has been waiting for this sort of event with passion, having koreans just ferried over and basically handed over the money without them actually making any efforts is retarded. In general, the approach that korean players have towards the NASL sounds more and more like "hi me [insert name here] give me monies me play kkkkk". No korean, so far, has taken the effort of explaining why they should be in the NASL. They need a translator? Let them fetch one. It's in their best interest to be part of the NASL, they do not deserve any free invites regardless of their level of play. Yeah you're right, they should invite the players that makes the most convincing or funny videos, not base it on something as silly as actual skill or accomplishments in the game. | ||
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deerpark87
760 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:05 Zeke50100 wrote: North American doesn't mean "only people from North America". It means "hosted in North America" >.< Besides, even if it WERE to be only North Americans, I don't see you calling out EU players on trying to qualify. Maybe because EU's players are white and speak some english that we should include them and not those Koreans. Wait...did i just sound really racist? /sarcastic | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:02 Kazang wrote: Yes people would care, because it has a huge prize pool so good players will make the effort to be a part of it. You may have noticed but Idra moved back to NA specifically for NASL a long with other western tournaments like MLG. Just like Western players have to move to South Korea to participate in a supposedly "Global" league having people actually be in North America for a North American league is hardly too much to ask. To grow esport in the West we have to keep our good players here, not have send them to Korea, and hopefully have Koreans(and players from any country) come to the west for big tournaments. People are fine with the idea of players from Europe and NA having to go to Korea to compete in the GSL. But when some people suggest having to spend more than a weekend in NA for a LAN it's excluding Koreans? No it's not excluding, you have to draw the line somewhere. If the prize pool is big enough the good players will come, and people will want to watch those players. To grow esports in the west you need popularity. You could have 50,000 NA players play and it wouldn't GAIN any popularity because that doesn't draw players. Have great, face-melting gameplay and you will gain popularity. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
To be honest, its kinda racist. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:56 r33k wrote: I would say to let them play, as long as they submit videos like everyone else. Everyone who submitted their application has been waiting for this sort of event with passion, having koreans just ferried over and basically handed over the money without them actually making any efforts is retarded. In general, the approach that korean players have towards the NASL sounds more and more like "hi me [insert name here] give me monies me play kkkkk". No korean, so far, has taken the effort of explaining why they should be in the NASL. They need a translator? Let them fetch one. It's in their best interest to be part of the NASL, they do not deserve any free invites regardless of their level of play. I do agree with this, they could've just asked Hwanni to come by one day and record their videos and answer the questions more completely. While the videos were cute trying to speak English, I would've much preferred them in Korean. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:06 pezit wrote: Yeah you're right, they should invite the players that makes the most convincing or funny videos, not base it on something as silly as actual skill or accomplishments in the game. Naw he's got a point. that's part of the application, they should go through the same steps as everyone else. Ultimately everyone's being judged on play anyway so it doesn't matter. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:07 deerpark87 wrote: Maybe because EU's players are white and speak some english that we should include them and not those Koreans. Wait...did i just sound really racist? /sarcastic Yup... you need to learn to spin it off with lines like "oh but they don't have good personalities" or "we won't ever hear from them other than interviews" or one of my favorites "they only care about the money!" rather than using such direct lines. You're welcome.  | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/jd12370/beating-a-dead-horse.gif) User was warned for this post | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:09 Chicane wrote: Yup... you need to learn to spin it off with lines like "oh but they don't have good personalities" or "we won't ever hear from them other than interviews" or one of my favorites "they only care about the money!" rather than using such direct lines. You're welcome. Yeah those Russian players, they're FAR too serious. | ||
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PHedemark
Denmark37 Posts
But you decide who goes in your tournament, right? I'm not in any way supporting racism or a blockade of every Korean in the tournament, but if I'm not mistaken (cba to read the last 25 pages, read the 25 first) the general sentiment is that Koreans should be to some degree allowed. Some being rather keen on invite 50 and some wanting to restrict the number. Not letting Koreans in overall would be pretty bad, but that seems to be something that everybody agrees upon. Atleast to a degree. | ||
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
The GSL is the absolute pinnacle of SCII skill. Players such as MVP, MC and Nestea are Monsters at the game, and can destroy most of their opposition with ease. This season was something of a hiccup, but I'd bet on MC being the first player to take two GSL seasons. So doesn't this make them top choices for the NASL? That depends on what you want from the NASL. Did we want another GSl esque "Let the Most Skillfull take home the money"? Or did we want the NASL to be the "Pinnacle of Foreign play?" At the moment they are quite different. Quite a few foreigners got blocked from the GSL at various points. Players such as InControL and Kiwikaki got blocked from Season 3, and this season Ret, Moonglade and Haypro couldn't make it past ro32 Code A. There are three foreign players who are noticeable in the Korean scene (Idra, Jinro, HuK), of the 15-20 who have tried at one point or another. It is also important to note IEM. Moon, Ace and Squirtle are hardly the pinnacle of Korean play. All three of them just got demoted to Code B, yet they wiped out the best the rest of the world could offer. TSL 3 will probably repeat this process. So we can safely assume that the Koreans will rampage through the NASL like nobody's business. I mean, who really thinks that if we have MKP, MC, Nestea, and MVP in NASL, that more than one foreigner can make top 4? It would be domination. Maybe Tyler or White-Ra gets lucky and takes one out, but we aren't likely to see more than one or two. So let's say that our top four are MVP, MC, Tyler Nestea (1st/2nd/3rd/4th). we don't have the NASL prize distribution yet, but according to liquipedia the GSL pays 140,000,000 of 200,000,000 Won to 1st/2nd/4th, about 70%. Of the 100,000$ that various foreign sources pump into the NASL, 70% of that money just gets pumped right back to Korea, Korean players, Korean Teams. And this will hurt the Foreign scene. Money is important, it is what will ultimately allow the foreign scene to stay competitive with Korea, or fall behind. If this 70,000$ goes to players and teams like qxc, Select, Tyler, and Liquid/root/mouz, it will allow players to quit jobs (and therefor play full-time SCII), and teams to get Korean esque practising set-ups. But if that money goes straight back to Korea, and Korean teams, then the foreigners can't get the support they need to stay relevant. So the NASL isn't just about skill now. It's about skill later. If we allow the top tier Koreans access now, they'll stomp North America, and take all the money and send it back to Korea. And if we do that, then foreign players can't get the support they need to play as the Koreans do, allowing Korea to just widen the skill-gap more and more. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:11 PHedemark wrote: @FXOpen But you decide who goes in your tournament, right? I'm not in any way supporting racism or a blockade of every Korean in the tournament, but if I'm not mistaken (cba to read the last 25 pages, read the 25 first) the general sentiment is that Koreans should be to some degree allowed. Some being rather keen on invite 50 and some wanting to restrict the number. Not letting Koreans in overall would be pretty bad, but that seems to be something that everybody agrees upon. Atleast to a degree. People who go into my tournament go in based on aptitude. Not something they cannot control. Therefore, I am only a bigot on sc2 skill  | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
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deerpark87
760 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:12 FXOpen wrote: People who go into my tournament go in based on aptitude. Not something they cannot control. Therefore, I am only a bigot on sc2 skill This is why i LOVE FXOpenis's tourney <3 no bias. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:07 FXOpen wrote: Any tournmanet discriminating on race/colour/creed/nationality, should take a long hard look at itself. Turn the tables around, lets say the US had GSL and NASL was in Korea.. How would you feel if someone said "cos you're american, you're not allowed to play sorry"... To be honest, its kinda racist. 100% agree. segregation in sports were never helpful to the sports scene. A "cap" or restriction of "koreans" becasue theyre the best is hurtful to the scene. Its like baseball restricting minorities from playing in the MLB. Wasnt a good idea then and I dont see how it would be a good idea now. People saying "theyre the best" can be excluded from the argument if you include any of the foreign code S players. Jinro can compete with the best in GSL should we not let him participate as well? Or do we include him because he isnt korean. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
it will be koreans>foreigners always with this attitude. | ||
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Peas
Canada102 Posts
On March 16 2011 12:02 Chicane wrote: What does his age have to do with anything? He pointed out that someone said that others are making assumptions, and then said 90% of people will vote on a whim. Please.... PLEASE point out what is wrong with his response, or why you had to ask his age. Can we keep this thread somewhat on topic... and not about the people bringing up points (unless they are potential NASL players). My "assumption" was perfectly reasonable...his was dumb as shit. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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