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On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about.
your arguments were not even good
sorry
you kept re-stating how we have to go to korea to play
but you have to go to US to play in top16.
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On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce.
Yep. Obviously, the opposing opinion has no idea what they're talking about, since they don't agree with you.
Don't worry, NASL isn't probably going to give any heed to this poll, since forcing a cap on koreans will facilitate more western intrest.
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On March 16 2011 11:55 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:53 kaileah wrote:On March 16 2011 11:51 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:49 LegendaryZ wrote:On March 16 2011 11:43 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:42 MadCatZ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:45 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Its retarded. Why do you think any of the non-koreans that went to GSL, went to GSL for? For the same fucking reason Koreans want to play NASL. Note that this poll assumes that the skill level of top Code A Koreans is about the same as the skill of the top foreigners, which we can assume to be true from IEM. While its not that untrue, how can we assume that from IEM when it was won by 3 players who all f.ailed round 1 of Code A? I mean, that wouldnt really qualify as top code A level to me evidence wise NASL=North American GSL=Global The name is SO misleading to be honest not like they call it KSL. They couldve named it WSL-western since its a focus on western E-sports The GSL isn't global its only for people in Korea. This is a dumb argument that's used over and over again. The tournament is physically held in Korea, but players from all over the world are permitted to come and compete at will. Any notable player would be able to find some sort of income or sponsorship to travel to Korea if they wanted and many have and failed. The GSL as it stands is the international proving grounds for SC2. If you want to play against the best in the world, that's where people go. NASL is an invitational.. + You think its easy for foreigners to just pack up and go to korea? Question for you just because i'm personally curious. What do you think of Team Liquid members in Korea participating in NASL? Haypro, ret. (what if it included huk and jinro as well?) How about moonglade? foreigners who live in korea and participate in the gsl are essentially the same as korean sc2 players other than the whole genetics thing. the gsl gives 4 foreigner invites, the NASL should do the same with respect to the amount of players in the nasl
There are very very few foreigners that can compete at the level of GSL.
There are a LOT of Korean players that are far above the level of NASL.
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On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with.
Holy assumptions batman.
This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim.
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On March 16 2011 11:55 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:53 kaileah wrote:On March 16 2011 11:51 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:49 LegendaryZ wrote:On March 16 2011 11:43 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:42 MadCatZ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:45 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Its retarded. Why do you think any of the non-koreans that went to GSL, went to GSL for? For the same fucking reason Koreans want to play NASL. Note that this poll assumes that the skill level of top Code A Koreans is about the same as the skill of the top foreigners, which we can assume to be true from IEM. While its not that untrue, how can we assume that from IEM when it was won by 3 players who all f.ailed round 1 of Code A? I mean, that wouldnt really qualify as top code A level to me evidence wise NASL=North American GSL=Global The name is SO misleading to be honest not like they call it KSL. They couldve named it WSL-western since its a focus on western E-sports The GSL isn't global its only for people in Korea. This is a dumb argument that's used over and over again. The tournament is physically held in Korea, but players from all over the world are permitted to come and compete at will. Any notable player would be able to find some sort of income or sponsorship to travel to Korea if they wanted and many have and failed. The GSL as it stands is the international proving grounds for SC2. If you want to play against the best in the world, that's where people go. NASL is an invitational.. + You think its easy for foreigners to just pack up and go to korea? Question for you just because i'm personally curious. What do you think of Team Liquid members in Korea participating in NASL? Haypro, ret. (what if it included huk and jinro as well?) How about moonglade? foreigners who live in korea and participate in the gsl are essentially the same as korean sc2 players other than the whole genetics thing. the gsl gives 4 foreigner invites, the NASL should do the same with respect to the amount of players in the nasl
Not many people able to qualify for the GSL =/= GSL is arbitrarily restricting non-Koreans by rule.
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Want to know what happens if you bring in CodeS top korean players to NASL?
they will most likely win
why?
as we saw in IEM that CodeA koreans dominated the tournament
imagine what oGsMC,nestea could do
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On March 16 2011 11:56 r33k wrote:
I would say to let them play, as long as they submit videos like everyone else. Everyone who submitted their application has been waiting for this sort of event with passion, having koreans just ferried over and basically handed over the money without them actually making any efforts is retarded.
In general, the approach that korean players have towards the NASL sounds more and more like "hi me [insert name here] give me monies me play kkkkk". No korean, so far, has taken the effort of explaining why they should be in the NASL. They need a translator? Let them fetch one. It's in their best interest to be part of the NASL, they do not deserve any free invites regardless of their level of play.
Now that sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and I'm against a cap, sort of.
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people who are arguing it should consist of a north american players because its called NASL then limit EU to 5 players as well. i dont see why only 1 country is limited to 5 players. this is just retarded.
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I guess I simply do not understand why anyone would want people excluded. The GSL as it stands now does not turn people away, nor does the TSL. If you are good enough, COME ON IN!!! Excluding someone based on race? What the hell are we talking about here, it just boggles my mind.
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On March 16 2011 11:57 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with. Holy assumptions batman. This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim.
Ironic that you'd go "Holy assumptions batman" and proceed with that sentence afterwards. I'm done with you.
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On March 16 2011 11:57 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with. Holy assumptions batman. This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim.
You can just throw around the phrase "response bias" for situations like this 
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On March 16 2011 11:55 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:53 kaileah wrote:On March 16 2011 11:51 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:49 LegendaryZ wrote:On March 16 2011 11:43 bLuR wrote:On March 16 2011 11:42 MadCatZ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:45 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Its retarded. Why do you think any of the non-koreans that went to GSL, went to GSL for? For the same fucking reason Koreans want to play NASL. Note that this poll assumes that the skill level of top Code A Koreans is about the same as the skill of the top foreigners, which we can assume to be true from IEM. While its not that untrue, how can we assume that from IEM when it was won by 3 players who all f.ailed round 1 of Code A? I mean, that wouldnt really qualify as top code A level to me evidence wise NASL=North American GSL=Global The name is SO misleading to be honest not like they call it KSL. They couldve named it WSL-western since its a focus on western E-sports The GSL isn't global its only for people in Korea. This is a dumb argument that's used over and over again. The tournament is physically held in Korea, but players from all over the world are permitted to come and compete at will. Any notable player would be able to find some sort of income or sponsorship to travel to Korea if they wanted and many have and failed. The GSL as it stands is the international proving grounds for SC2. If you want to play against the best in the world, that's where people go. NASL is an invitational.. + You think its easy for foreigners to just pack up and go to korea? Question for you just because i'm personally curious. What do you think of Team Liquid members in Korea participating in NASL? Haypro, ret. (what if it included huk and jinro as well?) How about moonglade? foreigners who live in korea and participate in the gsl are essentially the same as korean sc2 players other than the whole genetics thing. the gsl gives 4 foreigner invites, the NASL should do the same with respect to the amount of players in the nasl
Affirmative Action.
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On March 16 2011 11:59 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:57 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with. Holy assumptions batman. This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim. Ironic that you'd go "Holy assumptions batman" and proceed with that sentence afterwards. I'm done with you.
i have to ask. how old are you lol?
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On March 16 2011 11:59 venge1155 wrote:
I guess I simply do not understand why anyone would want people excluded. The GSL as it stands now does not turn people away, nor does the TSL. If you are good enough, COME ON IN!!! Excluding someone based on race? What the hell are we talking about here, it just boggles my mind.
its because of it being badly named
they call it Northamerican SL but its not sticking to its name
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Invite the best if you want the league to thrive.
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On March 16 2011 12:00 mufin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:59 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:57 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with. Holy assumptions batman. This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim. Ironic that you'd go "Holy assumptions batman" and proceed with that sentence afterwards. I'm done with you. i have to ask. how old are you lol?
What does his age have to do with anything? He pointed out that someone said that others are making assumptions, and then said 90% of people will vote on a whim. Please.... PLEASE point out what is wrong with his response, or why you had to ask his age.
Can we keep this thread somewhat on topic... and not about the people bringing up points (unless they are potential NASL players).
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I believe Ichiro Suzuki doesn't speak any English and has boring interviews, but yet is the sole reason that the Seattle Mariners stay profitable every year.
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On March 16 2011 11:42 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 11:31 echobong wrote:
It's about as 'racist' as it is to let PEOPLE RESIDING IN KOREA (note: not "Koreans") not play as it is racist that the NY Knick's can't participate in the goddamn Western Conference. It's a NORTH AMERICAN StarLeague.
*I* say, don't let anyone that doesn't reside in North American play in the league. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT. Alright, so who would the 50 players be if you were going to invite players that only reside in NA? And do you really think people would care about such a tournament to begin with?
Yes people would care, because it has a huge prize pool so good players will make the effort to be a part of it. You may have noticed but Idra moved back to NA specifically for NASL a long with other western tournaments like MLG.
Just like Western players have to move to South Korea to participate in a supposedly "Global" league having people actually be in North America for a North American league is hardly too much to ask.
To grow esport in the West we have to keep our good players here, not have send them to Korea, and hopefully have Koreans(and players from any country) come to the west for big tournaments.
People are fine with the idea of players from Europe and NA having to go to Korea to compete in the GSL. But when some people suggest having to spend more than a weekend in NA for a LAN it's excluding Koreans?
No it's not excluding, you have to draw the line somewhere.
If the prize pool is big enough the good players will come, and people will want to watch those players.
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On March 16 2011 11:59 venge1155 wrote:
I guess I simply do not understand why anyone would want people excluded. The GSL as it stands now does not turn people away, nor does the TSL. If you are good enough, COME ON IN!!! Excluding someone based on race? What the hell are we talking about here, it just boggles my mind.
its call segregation . while gsl welcomes everyone, nasl discloses certain people.
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On March 16 2011 12:02 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 12:00 mufin wrote:On March 16 2011 11:59 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:57 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:56 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 11:55 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 11:53 bLuR wrote:
Everyone will have their own opinions i'm realizing how stupid it is to argue about it, most people have no idea what they are talking about. and thats why the entire poll is a farce. Oh, come on. That's the very nature of democracy. Don't be one of those people who thinks a poll is legitimate when the poll reflects on the person's opinion favorably, and the opposite when the poll favors opinions you disagree with. Holy assumptions batman. This poll provides meaningless data because the question is inherently complex, this is the internet, and 90% of people will vote on a whim. Ironic that you'd go "Holy assumptions batman" and proceed with that sentence afterwards. I'm done with you. i have to ask. how old are you lol? What does his age have to do with anything? He pointed out that someone said that others are making assumptions, and then said 90% of people will vote on a whim. Please.... PLEASE point out what is wrong with his response, or why you had to ask his age. Can we keep this thread somewhat on topic... and not about the people bringing up points (unless they are potential NASL players).
i just thought the whole "i'm done with you" part was funny and somewhat childish.
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