EPTNASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 4
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Gabb
United States63 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:00 Naniwa wrote: let them come, no point if not the absolute best is there  ))That's the 3rd pro Swedes who said this today ( Jinro, meRz , Naniwa) The capital of western esports indeed. | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:58 ajb293 wrote: The league will only benefit from a proper mix of competition and entertainment. The league doesn't need "just the best" to be successful. It's true that a league doesn't need to have the best players in it in order to be successful. College sports get plenty of attention, for example. I like soccer, and I like watching MLS even though it's nowhere near the level of most European leagues. But it's one thing if you don't happen to have the best players, and another thing if you actively exclude them. To say that someone is not allowed to play for no other reason than that they're too good... it makes the whole competition into an idiotic farce. It's exciting because of the drama, and the drama just isn't that convincing if the title just goes to the guy who was as good as possible without being so good that the organizers kicked them out. | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:56 billyX333 wrote: I'm not sure if I understand the anti-korean competition argument. I guess people are saying it would be boring to see the tournament dominated by non english speaking personalities? I personally think theres a certain degree of mystique surrounding the korean players when they compete in a foreign competition and I think the value of an NASL title would be greatly diminished if they excluded the best players in the world. Imagine if a foreigner took down the NASL title by going through MVP and nestea... instant and permanent e-fame. legendary status for the rest of his life. While on the other hand if koreans were intentionally excluded, an NASL title would have as much value as morrow's IEM victory last year or huk's MLG win (before idra and jinro were even in it) Both wins were great but far from legendary I guess there are two types of spectators in sc2 currently, those who prefer MLG/IEM and those who prefer GSL. I greatly prefer GSL myself The argument has 2 main components. 1: Familiarity. Many of the people who will be competing in the NASL are people who legitimately interact with THIS community. They do interviews, stream, post on these very forums, etc... many of them have a fan base for their personality, not just their gaming abilities. Because of that, adding in the Koreans, who are very, very different in that regard, don't mesh as well. 2: People want to see the NASL and MLG (or any other tournaments) be able to succeed. To have long term success, the player skill has to grow higher than it is now, closer (or at) the GSL level. In order to facilitate that, allowing few or no Koreans increases the likelihood of a foreigner winning more prize money. This encourages the player to be able to play SC2 professionally, and not just as a hobby. When this happens, ideally more and more people can then get team houses and legitimately compete at the top level of the GSL players when they are allowed to dedicate themselves to the game. Then, after this has happened, then restrictions wont even be needed. Somebody earlier mentioned protectionism as an example from economics and I think it's a fairly solid example of what their goals are. | ||
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Vaeila
Netherlands336 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:00 Naniwa wrote: let them come, no point if not the absolute best is there ))By that logic there wouldn't be much space for "foreigners" | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:51 Pokebunny wrote: Do you think its the same considering GSL players have to stay in Korea for at least a month once they qualify for top 64, while Koreans would only have to fly into NA for one week every three months or so? You're focusing on details. Plane trips, number of days, yada yada yada. Get to the underlying principle involved. What is the principle behind your anti-korean-into-NASL arguments? I'm guessing it would go something like this: - Koreans have teams that play 12 hours a day. - Western players have studies/work and can only put in maximum 4-6 hours a day. - This is unfair competition. And: - NASL is a tournament tightly connected with teamliquid and the non-korean scene. - The players should be tightly connected with teamliquid and the non-korean scene. - Western players are, koreans are not. Correct/Wrong? | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:00 Naniwa wrote: let them come, no point if not the absolute best is there ))Hear! Hear! It's warming my heart to see progamers speak up to include a sizeable amount of koreans in NASL. We want to see the best players. We want to see the highest skilled games. Bring on the koreans! | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
think of the 50 slots of all these american/canadian etc players trying to make it in ESPORTS, how many can actually financially attend GSL To take one of the first North American events, along with MLG, and fill it with koreans who already have the GSL is unfair imo. NA scene needs to develop, can't just say, oh this scene started first and had 85k first place tournaments already, lets invite them only to all these events. Yes they are better, but thats because they literally had 20x the financial incentives and backbones. When those big tournaments come to america, players will emerge. NASL seems the best opportunity for ACTUAL WESTERN TEAMS / players to develop. filling it with gosu koreans who have been living in a pro gaming house for the last 8 months playing in 150k+ prize money tournies is just as unfair. | ||
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
Also, from what i've heard mostly from players in interviews and such is that the skill gap isn't that big except at the very top levels. I still believe this, I just think the IEM results has everyone worried now that its not the case. | ||
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Vipsanius
Netherlands708 Posts
Because then the Koreans will dominate everyone and it gets boring. I don't agree with that statement, because they assume that foreigners will autolose against a korean. With the same reasoning GomTV could block foreigners because they aren't good enough and will only give boring games. Yet GomTV isn't blocking any foreigners from entering, and is even seeding some foreigners to hype the GSL outside of Korea. I don't agree with blocking Koreans from entering. Invite a few, only the very best, and see what happens. Blocking Koreans from entering is like saying to the foreign players they suck so hard that they have to be protected from Korean noobstomping. I believe foreign players to be capable to put up a nice fight against MC, NesTea, and MVP. They may not win, yet it will definately be enjoyable to watch. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:51 Pokebunny wrote: Do you think its the same considering GSL players have to stay in Korea for at least a month once they qualify for top 64, while Koreans would only have to fly into NA for one week every three months or so? There is a reason for this. Its because all the matches are being BROADCAST ON TV! its situational dude | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
Not inviting koreans to NASL is just limiting the experience you bring in and gain from the tournament, and makes no sense. | ||
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