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On March 12 2011 14:42 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:28 Greenworld wrote:
Ok i decided to watch the 1'st game too ... YOU MUST BE ..... he could see 90% of what you were doing he could see what units you made , he knew how many gases you had and let's be serious blame the APM ? in 3'rd game one of the zergs had 1 base made only lings , didn't micro at all just sat with them and had 150+ apm ... i know to bad apm doesn't mean that much in sc2 when you just sit with your army and spam buttons ... but hey you can call slow ppl hackers. Before qq here about the rushes he does watch the replay of what he sees and stop spaming those buttons and THINK ( how much did day[9] say you need apm to do everything in sc2 ? or he is one that has no ideea about the game - 60-70 apm ). So until i see AT least him intercepting a drop or something .. GET serious i did more "hacking" then him. So don't blame the apm , there were slow players even in sc1 that did great things , it's not the fastest that wins most of the time.
GOGO 150 apm 1 base and can't even move your zerlings right .... how would you consider that ? Listen, when you got to deal with musltiple drops on multiple fronts in BW, dont worry that with your 60apm, you`re gonna get crushed very harsly. The more actions you can do per minute, the more you can do, its fucking obvious. When Day9 says to not focus on apm, its only for the beginners not to start spamming just to get their numbers up. Apm does reflects your ability to stay on the edge and to do multiple things at the same time, it also shows how well themechanics have been integrated into your muscle memory. Its not a race to apm but if you top the NA ladder and you play at 60apm, there`s a fucking problem.
He does not have 60 apm in mid late game if you noticed , his apm gets bigger as the game lasts longer. The 20:10 thing is lol , if he would have been a true hacker he would have just walked his army from the bottom left to the enemy's natural and upsy noticed an expo and killed it on the attack he did earlier or just moved with his entire army since he had tanks too.
If he really hacked in those 1v1 and 2v2 he might have , but it's not 100% sure , apm means 0 in my eyes and so it should to everyone else considering he does have decent apm in late game.
and at 20:10 he was planting a cc.
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On March 12 2011 14:57 Greenworld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:42 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 12 2011 14:28 Greenworld wrote:
Ok i decided to watch the 1'st game too ... YOU MUST BE ..... he could see 90% of what you were doing he could see what units you made , he knew how many gases you had and let's be serious blame the APM ? in 3'rd game one of the zergs had 1 base made only lings , didn't micro at all just sat with them and had 150+ apm ... i know to bad apm doesn't mean that much in sc2 when you just sit with your army and spam buttons ... but hey you can call slow ppl hackers. Before qq here about the rushes he does watch the replay of what he sees and stop spaming those buttons and THINK ( how much did day[9] say you need apm to do everything in sc2 ? or he is one that has no ideea about the game - 60-70 apm ). So until i see AT least him intercepting a drop or something .. GET serious i did more "hacking" then him. So don't blame the apm , there were slow players even in sc1 that did great things , it's not the fastest that wins most of the time.
GOGO 150 apm 1 base and can't even move your zerlings right .... how would you consider that ? Listen, when you got to deal with musltiple drops on multiple fronts in BW, dont worry that with your 60apm, you`re gonna get crushed very harsly. The more actions you can do per minute, the more you can do, its fucking obvious. When Day9 says to not focus on apm, its only for the beginners not to start spamming just to get their numbers up. Apm does reflects your ability to stay on the edge and to do multiple things at the same time, it also shows how well themechanics have been integrated into your muscle memory. Its not a race to apm but if you top the NA ladder and you play at 60apm, there`s a fucking problem. He does not have 60 apm in mid late game if you noticed , his apm gets bigger as the game lasts longer. The 20:10 thing is lol , if he would have been a true hacker he would have just walked his army from the bottom left to the enemy's natural and upsy noticed an expo and killed it on the attack he did earlier or just moved with his entire army since he had tanks too. If he really hacked in those 1v1 and 2v2 he might have , but it's not 100% sure , apm means 0 in my eyes and so it should to everyone else considering he does have decent apm in late game. and at 20:10 he was planting a cc.
I'm sorry brother, but your post makes no sense.
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Hope this disgrace gets banned.
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Watched the first 2 games and saw zero evidence of hacking. On the contrary, he was totally ill-prepared for all harassment. The claims in the OP are extremely flimsy - if this is the best evidence out there, well, I'm not convinced. However, the replays also showed a very mediocre player with poor macro who doesn't scout, which is obviously not a top 5 player in the world.
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Well now we know why they have a 210-10 win record. What losers. Top 200 1v1, top teams in teh world. Platinum level play. gg
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On March 12 2011 15:07 whatthefat wrote:
Watched the first 2 games and saw zero evidence of hacking. On the contrary, he was totally ill-prepared for all harassment. The claims in the OP are extremely flimsy - if this is the best evidence out there, well, I'm not convinced. However, the replays also showed a very mediocre player with poor macro who doesn't scout, which is obviously not a top 5 player in the world.
Because he was busy hacking. And hackers aren't going to make it obvious 24 / 7
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On March 12 2011 14:57 Greenworld wrote: apm means 0 in my eyes and so it should to everyone else considering he does have decent apm in late game.
and at 20:10 he was planting a cc
I love people who contradict themselves in the span of one sentence
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On March 12 2011 15:07 rysecake wrote:
Well now we know why they have a 210-10 win record. What losers. Top 200 1v1, top teams in teh world. Platinum level play. gg
212-13 after we played em !
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On March 12 2011 15:09 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:57 Greenworld wrote: apm means 0 in my eyes and so it should to everyone else considering he does have decent apm in late game.
and at 20:10 he was planting a cc I love people who contradict themselves in the span of one sentence
Lol you caught that too hahaha
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For those defending iGware, you do need to consider that hackers would make mistakes on purpose to try and hide their hacking, though I believe that's been mentioned already.
On another note, I saw this iGware guy completely outplay HasHe on the latter's stream a few days ago. I thought that the guy just had really good game sense from the way that he always attacked where hashe wasn't defending at the right times. Guess I was wrong.
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On March 12 2011 13:05 VertigoX23 wrote:
I just watched the first game.
7:10 - He selects his SCV and sends it up to build the ebay BEFORE cloak starts researching.
7:50 - He scouts the expo with his banshee and sees that it's empty and goes back to his hiding spot. Why would he do that if he's hacking?
10:00 - Dropship flies all the way across the middle of the map, drops 4 hellions and starts roasting SCV's BEFORE he even notices it.
11:15 - Yes he micros the banshee back, probably because he notices that red isn't leaving his natural. But then, only 30 seconds later, he sends the banshee in just like he was going to do earlier and it dies to the four vikings there.
13:35 - He resets his rallies to the middle of his base. However, red's army isn't anywhere near his cliff at this time! Red's army is much farther north and it looks like red will be heading for blue's natural. Red only starts flying south towards his cliff AFTER the rallies have been set.
17:30 - His dropships were never on a collision course with the hellion. He selects the dropships and immediately waypoints them to the back of red's base. They only change direction for half a second and then start flying right in the direction they were originally going.
18:15 - He unloads his drops into red's main which is already mined out. Not once during the entire game did he look through the fog of war at red's main. Even if he was hacking he wouldn't have known that there were no turrets there.
This is also the first glimpse he gets of red's battlecruisers. After the battle he immediately throws down two starports. He was going siege tank heavy before this.
I don't think a single one of the points you made for the first game are valid.
Hopefully the next two games have some actual evidence or this is just a complete waste of time.
ProTech. I have detailed how everything you said about the first game is incorrect.
Care to respond?
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On March 12 2011 15:12 VertigoX23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:05 VertigoX23 wrote:
I just watched the first game.
7:10 - He selects his SCV and sends it up to build the ebay BEFORE cloak starts researching.
7:50 - He scouts the expo with his banshee and sees that it's empty and goes back to his hiding spot. Why would he do that if he's hacking?
10:00 - Dropship flies all the way across the middle of the map, drops 4 hellions and starts roasting SCV's BEFORE he even notices it.
11:15 - Yes he micros the banshee back, probably because he notices that red isn't leaving his natural. But then, only 30 seconds later, he sends the banshee in just like he was going to do earlier and it dies to the four vikings there.
13:35 - He resets his rallies to the middle of his base. However, red's army isn't anywhere near his cliff at this time! Red's army is much farther north and it looks like red will be heading for blue's natural. Red only starts flying south towards his cliff AFTER the rallies have been set.
17:30 - His dropships were never on a collision course with the hellion. He selects the dropships and immediately waypoints them to the back of red's base. They only change direction for half a second and then start flying right in the direction they were originally going.
18:15 - He unloads his drops into red's main which is already mined out. Not once during the entire game did he look through the fog of war at red's main. Even if he was hacking he wouldn't have known that there were no turrets there.
This is also the first glimpse he gets of red's battlecruisers. After the battle he immediately throws down two starports. He was going siege tank heavy before this.
I don't think a single one of the points you made for the first game are valid.
Hopefully the next two games have some actual evidence or this is just a complete waste of time. ProTech. I have detailed how everything you said about the first game is incorrect. Care to respond?
And your details have been thwarted time and time again.
And based on what you wrote, you obviously didnt watch the replay in the right speed and see every single little detail he did
60 apm + no scouting 20 mins into game makes no sense anyway.
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On March 12 2011 15:12 VertigoX23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:05 VertigoX23 wrote:
I just watched the first game.
7:10 - He selects his SCV and sends it up to build the ebay BEFORE cloak starts researching.
7:50 - He scouts the expo with his banshee and sees that it's empty and goes back to his hiding spot. Why would he do that if he's hacking?
10:00 - Dropship flies all the way across the middle of the map, drops 4 hellions and starts roasting SCV's BEFORE he even notices it.
11:15 - Yes he micros the banshee back, probably because he notices that red isn't leaving his natural. But then, only 30 seconds later, he sends the banshee in just like he was going to do earlier and it dies to the four vikings there.
13:35 - He resets his rallies to the middle of his base. However, red's army isn't anywhere near his cliff at this time! Red's army is much farther north and it looks like red will be heading for blue's natural. Red only starts flying south towards his cliff AFTER the rallies have been set.
17:30 - His dropships were never on a collision course with the hellion. He selects the dropships and immediately waypoints them to the back of red's base. They only change direction for half a second and then start flying right in the direction they were originally going.
18:15 - He unloads his drops into red's main which is already mined out. Not once during the entire game did he look through the fog of war at red's main. Even if he was hacking he wouldn't have known that there were no turrets there.
This is also the first glimpse he gets of red's battlecruisers. After the battle he immediately throws down two starports. He was going siege tank heavy before this.
I don't think a single one of the points you made for the first game are valid.
Hopefully the next two games have some actual evidence or this is just a complete waste of time. ProTech. I have detailed how everything you said about the first game is incorrect. Care to respond?
You're wrong. 
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Not surprised Sorcery groups with hackers.
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On March 12 2011 15:09 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:07 whatthefat wrote:
Watched the first 2 games and saw zero evidence of hacking. On the contrary, he was totally ill-prepared for all harassment. The claims in the OP are extremely flimsy - if this is the best evidence out there, well, I'm not convinced. However, the replays also showed a very mediocre player with poor macro who doesn't scout, which is obviously not a top 5 player in the world. Because he was busy hacking. And hackers aren't going to make it obvious 24 / 7
I watched both games twice (with camera on him, and from everyone's view). The only thing even slightly odd was his pulling away from the spawning pool just before he targeted it down in the 2v2 game, which could easily have been a reaction to the large army he knew was nearby already, or even a mis-micro. You keep repeating "He's obviously hacking - look at the way he doesn't look like he's hacking because he's so busy hacking". It's really not convincing.
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On March 12 2011 15:13 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:12 VertigoX23 wrote:On March 12 2011 13:05 VertigoX23 wrote:
I just watched the first game.
7:10 - He selects his SCV and sends it up to build the ebay BEFORE cloak starts researching.
7:50 - He scouts the expo with his banshee and sees that it's empty and goes back to his hiding spot. Why would he do that if he's hacking?
10:00 - Dropship flies all the way across the middle of the map, drops 4 hellions and starts roasting SCV's BEFORE he even notices it.
11:15 - Yes he micros the banshee back, probably because he notices that red isn't leaving his natural. But then, only 30 seconds later, he sends the banshee in just like he was going to do earlier and it dies to the four vikings there.
13:35 - He resets his rallies to the middle of his base. However, red's army isn't anywhere near his cliff at this time! Red's army is much farther north and it looks like red will be heading for blue's natural. Red only starts flying south towards his cliff AFTER the rallies have been set.
17:30 - His dropships were never on a collision course with the hellion. He selects the dropships and immediately waypoints them to the back of red's base. They only change direction for half a second and then start flying right in the direction they were originally going.
18:15 - He unloads his drops into red's main which is already mined out. Not once during the entire game did he look through the fog of war at red's main. Even if he was hacking he wouldn't have known that there were no turrets there.
This is also the first glimpse he gets of red's battlecruisers. After the battle he immediately throws down two starports. He was going siege tank heavy before this.
I don't think a single one of the points you made for the first game are valid.
Hopefully the next two games have some actual evidence or this is just a complete waste of time. ProTech. I have detailed how everything you said about the first game is incorrect. Care to respond? And your details have been thwarted time and time again. And based on what you wrote, you obviously didnt watch the replay in the right speed and see every single little detail he did 60 apm + no scouting 20 mins into game makes no sense anyway.
Which one of my points is wrong?
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On March 12 2011 15:09 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:57 Greenworld wrote: apm means 0 in my eyes and so it should to everyone else considering he does have decent apm in late game.
and at 20:10 he was planting a cc I love people who contradict themselves in the span of one sentence
I appologize for my bad english , what i wanted to say apm doesn't mean anything in my eyes. IF it does in yours you should see he has decent apm in late game. If you didn't understand now i am sorry again and gonna ask for someone to translate for me.
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Looks like he's hacking, definitely.
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On March 12 2011 15:12 VertigoX23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:05 VertigoX23 wrote:
I just watched the first game.
7:10 - He selects his SCV and sends it up to build the ebay BEFORE cloak starts researching.
7:50 - He scouts the expo with his banshee and sees that it's empty and goes back to his hiding spot. Why would he do that if he's hacking?
10:00 - Dropship flies all the way across the middle of the map, drops 4 hellions and starts roasting SCV's BEFORE he even notices it.
11:15 - Yes he micros the banshee back, probably because he notices that red isn't leaving his natural. But then, only 30 seconds later, he sends the banshee in just like he was going to do earlier and it dies to the four vikings there.
13:35 - He resets his rallies to the middle of his base. However, red's army isn't anywhere near his cliff at this time! Red's army is much farther north and it looks like red will be heading for blue's natural. Red only starts flying south towards his cliff AFTER the rallies have been set.
17:30 - His dropships were never on a collision course with the hellion. He selects the dropships and immediately waypoints them to the back of red's base. They only change direction for half a second and then start flying right in the direction they were originally going.
18:15 - He unloads his drops into red's main which is already mined out. Not once during the entire game did he look through the fog of war at red's main. Even if he was hacking he wouldn't have known that there were no turrets there.
This is also the first glimpse he gets of red's battlecruisers. After the battle he immediately throws down two starports. He was going siege tank heavy before this.
I don't think a single one of the points you made for the first game are valid.
Hopefully the next two games have some actual evidence or this is just a complete waste of time. ProTech. I have detailed how everything you said about the first game is incorrect. Care to respond?
ROFL, just ran both this clown's and Green's IPs on a tracker and they're exactly the same.
lulz, this just puts the icing on the cake.
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