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On March 09 2011 21:49 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote:
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed. If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it. The alternative is a subscription fee, once again, which fans pay. GSL is a niche tournament. And your radio analogy doesn't make sense seeing as this isn't broadcast on the radio.
People need to stop acting like these high-level tournaments are being watched by random people. They're not. This isn't some sport being broadcast on NBC with all kinds of people flipping to it; it's online at specific URLs that only SC2 fans would know.
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On March 10 2011 04:32 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:49 mutantmagnet wrote:On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote:
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed. If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks. But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft.
Yes, but that's a bad thing. E-sports have to be generally accessible to get people into it.
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On March 09 2011 21:53 inamorato wrote:
Kelly is sabotaging the whole operation. Every time he says something she either disregards it. makes a face, or calls him on it. His skin seems a little soft for someone who is displaying their work in front of a massive crowd.
But what is the point for that DURING the commentating? If she has a problem with what he has to offer it would be a better idea to work on it AFTER the event. Unless she wants the event to be a fist fight. He needs to G check her a few times and she will learn relatively quick.
I some what pitied her when she was getting shit from everyone because legitimately she has enough game knowledge to be a commentator. Now she keeps stepping on his toes. He will never get comfortable until either she changes or he flattens her right on the set. I'm hoping for number 2 personally.
Ya her true colors are coming out. This is why I was against her the whole time. I encountered her in an IRC channel for a few weeks back around launch and wasn't impressed with her at all as a person. She's nice to people as long as they have something to offer her and when they outlive their usefulness, they are discarded (something I observed happening, didn't happen to me). She seemed nice with Tasteless and Artosis because she realized she needed them to like her for her to stick. As opposed to Doa who is essentially her competitor at this point. But I don't think she realizes that by going all passive-aggressive and trying to freeze him out, she's essentially shooting herself in the foot. A professional caster should do their best to make their partner look better, not worse.
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On March 10 2011 04:32 hmunkey wrote:
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with this entirely. I watch the GSL as a fan. Not to have a 3 hour lecture on why a gate on 12 is inherently better than a gate on 13, or whatever. I watch to be excited. It's a spectator sport. And all of my friends that watch with me aren't nearly as involved in the SC2 community as I am, and they also watch it as a spectator sport.
Analysis is very important, but to say play by play has no place is just wrong.
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I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit.
Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
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On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote:
I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit.
Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
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This is getting a bit ridiculous.
Kelly is not a bad caster. Does she mix up Rs and Ls? Yes. Is what she says wrong? No. People need to take a step back and realize that she's commentating on an incredibly complex and fast paced game in a second language, and she's fucking insightful. It's a problem of pronunciation, not content, and is easy to ignore if you just choose to.
And I don't think she was "shutting down" or "bashing" the new guy at all. DoA just didn't have very good commentary; "oh this is hugely bad for player x" when someone was losing their whole fucking main. A lot of his comments were jokes about coca cola or how banelings look like lightbulbs. They were bad jokes. Does this make him bad? I don't think so, I think he's just nervous. Give him some time, and less jokes, and he can improve.
I can only pass judgment based on their commentaries, and Kelly is the better caster; she has more knowledge of the game and insight in matches. If she hadn't been present I would have turned the stream off.
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I'll be muting the code A games for now on
Wish I had to option to just watch the replay instead, I gave them a chance and it was painful to listen to
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Hard to say, it's been touched on in this thread a bit but I'll expand as best I can. Where I thought Kelly was at her best when paired with Artosis, I feel like this paring is so bad. It's possible I will like Doa when he is paired with somebody else, together they just don't work. I'm exited to see him with the other new guy the just brought in to see how they work together he does have potential.
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I think doa has the potential to stay, he made me laugh yesterday so it's something. GOM should try him out with Tasteless or Artosis.
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Where is Torch? I would love to see him commentating once again with Doa. He did a pretty good job last time, when artosis was playing.
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Aww, poor Doa. He keeps making (imo) hilarious jokes, and Kelly just lets them fall flat by not responding. Collawesomes...C'MON!
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The pairing with Kelly feels so bland, I really liked the Kelly/Artosis combo where there was actual game analysis and explanations... I mean they're both doing play-by-play; and not very good at that. Alicia lost ALL his probes to a Banshee, you'd think one of them would spot that. When they finally do, it's like, "oh, he lost his probes". Artosis would've been going insane at that point.
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On March 10 2011 05:24 LoliKuma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote:
I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit.
Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking. Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff.
That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment.
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kelly is an epic fail caster good thing she got the boot PZL8 get outta here
User was warned for this post
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On March 10 2011 09:03 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:24 LoliKuma wrote:On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote:
I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit.
Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking. Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there. I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff. That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment.
To be fair, they don't control the screen motion, only commentate on it.
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On March 10 2011 04:32 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:49 mutantmagnet wrote:On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote:
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed. If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks. But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it. The alternative is a subscription fee, once again, which fans pay. GSL is a niche tournament. And your radio analogy doesn't make sense seeing as this isn't broadcast on the radio. People need to stop acting like these high-level tournaments are being watched by random people. They're not. This isn't some sport being broadcast on NBC with all kinds of people flipping to it; it's online at specific URLs that only SC2 fans would know.
You are mostly correct that the viewers aren't random people. But if subscriptions are continually on the rise it becomes increasingly doubtful newcomers are actually people who play SC2 because most of us would've front loaded the total viewership earlier on in the GSL's history.
The most important thing to take away from my point about radio is that people experience GSL by just listening to it while doing other tasks. I myself take the time to watch most games but on the rare occasion I have to do more multitasking like chores around the home.
If my job didn't have bandwidth issues I would consider sneaking in listening to GSL casts as well; but I don't have that luxury, yet I'm positive many others do.
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On March 10 2011 09:09 PointyBagels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:03 Skithiryx wrote:On March 10 2011 05:24 LoliKuma wrote:On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote:
I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit.
Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking. Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there. I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff. That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment. To be fair, they don't control the screen motion, only commentate on it.
Was fairly certain that doa had the mouse+kb as Artosis usually does?
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Watching today's games, I think doa needs to work on his enthusiasm level a bit. Tasteless brings a ton of energy to the games. Doa just seems to plug along kind of matter-a-factly. It's not bad but it's far from the enjoyment that I'm getting for Tastosis, some of it might be Kelly.
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I don't really like this new guy. He has no insight. He is kind of dumb. As someone said above, he pretty much just says what is happening without any game analysis or any predictions. That's why I appreciate when Kelly just disregards his stupid comments. See, it's okay to make jokes and stuff, but you have to also get back to the game, and I think that's what Kelly's doin. She's not just blowing him off, but she's keeping the commentary on track. She knows that she's there to commentate on the game, not just be silly.
And on that note, I think Kelly is a really good caster, and sexy at that. I think she's actually really smart when it comes to the game. She was even smarter than tasteless about the game when they were together. But yeah, so far I'm not impressed with this new guy.
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