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doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
I can't seem to trust his knowledge either. And it would be nice if doa expanded his vocabulary too since he often use repetitive phrases/words. "hugely bad."
And I agree that casters need some sort of chemistry between other casters.
With Kelly, it seems he is being pushed around a lot. Kelly indirectly becomes aggressive to take the spotlight for some reason, even talking down doa on some of his useless comments which makes no sense. Obviously you're not going to have good chemistry if your partner is out to kill you.
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The part i don't understand is , have you guys ever heard a radio announcer who has no clarity ? The answer is no. You want someone who has clear pronunciation , a warm tone to there voice and you can bloody understand what there saying lol. You know who I'm referring to. Jesus , can u imagine the news being read in engrish
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On March 09 2011 19:51 Myrtroll wrote:
Kelly seems bored and uninterested a lot lately. Not helping him really.
But yes, he seems very "clean", so they should either get someone more knowledgeable for him, or someone more enthusiastic.
To me, it seems like she was excited to be casting with Tasteless/Artosis and they were very friendly/helpful. Now she's with this new guy, feels like she should maybe step it up but she's just coming short. Maybe she'll have a breakthrough soon.
I think the new guy is alright, his casting is decent but I feel like they're both just really not familiar with strategies involved. They're just not familiar with any build but generic common ones (tank/rine, 4 gate, etc) and the explanation they give for why player x is making unit y is typically wrong.
I kind of keep flip-flopping with Kelly. Some nights she just drives me nuts and some nights I have some serious faith in her. But in the end, I feel like neither caster really has anything that sets them apart from some random on YouTube.
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On March 09 2011 21:27 Suxces wrote:
yeah he seems like a nice guy, but he like many other said not much personality, enthusiasm and exciting.
today alicia vs. supernova, was very poorly commentated, they were talking why alicia lost on crossfire and it was cleary because his macro slipped, he had over 2k minerals, because of his hidden expansion but lost to the push were his nexus died because he just had bad macro and to few buildings/units... and the commentary duo was talking about micro and positioning and stuff like this... very poorly for a caster who should have a good overview over a game..
They were talking about the early chargelot attack in the main. Alicias micro was bad, he could have done alot more economical damage by splitting troops to kill more SCV's but he "conga lined" his zealots and most SCV's were micro'ed away safely.
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On March 09 2011 21:15 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:10 Bagi wrote:
I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more. Wow, that weird! You mean that Kelly + one of the guys who more or less define SC2 casting is better than Kelly + new guy who's been in korea for less than a week. Christ, give it some time. It was the exact same deal with the observer. People overexaggerate and whine when something new is introduced, often without giving it more than a day or two. Change is scary and it might be a bumpy ride at first, but at least give it a try.
God forbid someone expresses their opinion on a message board.
I had 0 problems with the observer change, but I don't see an exciting future for this casting combo at all. Maybe with different co-casters, but this current combo isn't doing it for me.
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On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote:
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed.
If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
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Kelly is sabotaging the whole operation. Every time he says something she either disregards it. makes a face, or calls him on it. His skin seems a little soft for someone who is displaying their work in front of a massive crowd.
But what is the point for that DURING the commentating? If she has a problem with what he has to offer it would be a better idea to work on it AFTER the event. Unless she wants the event to be a fist fight. He needs to G check her a few times and she will learn relatively quick.
I some what pitied her when she was getting shit from everyone because legitimately she has enough game knowledge to be a commentator. Now she keeps stepping on his toes. He will never get comfortable until either she changes or he flattens her right on the set. I'm hoping for number 2 personally.
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On March 09 2011 21:49 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:15 karpo wrote:On March 09 2011 21:10 Bagi wrote:
I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more. Wow, that weird! You mean that Kelly + one of the guys who more or less define SC2 casting is better than Kelly + new guy who's been in korea for less than a week. Christ, give it some time. It was the exact same deal with the observer. People overexaggerate and whine when something new is introduced, often without giving it more than a day or two. Change is scary and it might be a bumpy ride at first, but at least give it a try. God forbid someone expresses their opinion on a message board. I had 0 problems with the observer change, but I don't see an exciting future for this casting combo at all. Maybe with different co-casters, but this current combo isn't doing it for me.
The combo might not be ideal, but it's only been a couple of casts so far. I'd rather see Moletrap or Torch instead of Kelly. Maybe i overreacted to your post but i get pissed by all the people that cry over any caster that's not D9/Tastosis.
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On March 09 2011 21:35 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 21:27 Suxces wrote:
yeah he seems like a nice guy, but he like many other said not much personality, enthusiasm and exciting.
today alicia vs. supernova, was very poorly commentated, they were talking why alicia lost on crossfire and it was cleary because his macro slipped, he had over 2k minerals, because of his hidden expansion but lost to the push were his nexus died because he just had bad macro and to few buildings/units... and the commentary duo was talking about micro and positioning and stuff like this... very poorly for a caster who should have a good overview over a game..
They were talking about the early chargelot attack in the main. Alicias micro was bad, he could have done alot more economical damage by splitting troops to kill more SCV's but he "conga lined" his zealots and most SCV's were micro'ed away safely.
yeah but i wasn't reffering to that, at the end they were talking why he lost and stuff 
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I personally enjoyed DoA debut in the GSL and im expecting him to evolve as a caster in the following weeks / months. Im sure that he'll be able to sound more excited and help on providing some game dynamic to the viewers as soon as he feels confortable with the casting live on the studio.
Its only his first week, so lets wait and see. Peace.
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er...i was watching the a game when huk cannon rushed - a pylon and 3 cannons... and by paraphrase, he said something along the lines of "well he spent umm...hmm...so that's 100 plus 3 times...150...i don't know" and at this point kelly jumped in and said it cost 550 minerals, adding in that asians were good at math.
either 1. he got nervous in his casting and will be better in the future (this i hope), 2. doesn't know much about starcraft, or 3. is ...umm...dimmer than the average light bulb.
im pretty sure it was just nerves. but i got worried hearing this D:
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On March 09 2011 22:30 greentea wrote:
er...i was watching the a game when huk cannon rushed - a pylon and 3 cannons... and by paraphrase, he said something along the lines of "well he spent umm...hmm...so that's 100 plus 3 times...150...i don't know" and at this point kelly jumped in and said it cost 550 minerals, adding in that asians were good at math.
either 1. he got nervous in his casting and will be better in the future (this i hope), 2. doesn't know much about starcraft, or 3. is ...umm...dimmer than the average light bulb.
im pretty sure it was just nerves. but i got worried hearing this D:
Eeet was a joke.
He could be better or worse, I just wish he'd shut up about the apm.
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I think Doa's doing really great for how new he is. Really comfortable in front of the camera considering it's (I assume) his first time.
A little chemistry would help the two, but that takes time to come out naturally.
Great voice, except every once in a while, some Fargo or Minnesooouuta sneaks out :D
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On March 09 2011 21:27 karpo wrote:
Kelly seems to be shutting Doa down a bit. He tries for some decent jokes but she either interrupts or goes for game analysis, leaving him hanging.
This! makes me sad 
I'm slowly beginning to join the kelly hater camp duh...
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Kelly and Doa are competing for a job. It's understandable that they'd feel (and express) a bit of tension.
My personal opinion is that both have their strengths and weaknesses but that they're doing OK so far. I'm going to wait until I've seen all the prospective commentators to cast my lot.
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On March 09 2011 20:56 greenlander wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 20:19 Myrtroll wrote:Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week. It requires their 100% attention all the time, no "normal" 40h/week job requires that. Also it stresses your vocal cords a lot, and they were sick a lot because of it. So I perfectly understand their concern about this. also I highly doubt that they got sick cos' of speaking/sometimes yelling while casting... cmon... then every singer in a band would be sick after the first few dates on a tour.
If a band is doing long gigs in rapid succession, yeah, a singer in a band does have voice issues without a great deal of care.
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Kelly is so obviously aggressive with him =( I felt bad for the guy, he took the hits very well tho, he was nice with her despite the obvious passive-aggresions. Be patient and keep up the good work DoA =) You'll remain and she'll be gone for good.
Bad strat from Kelly, if I wasn't sure before, now I am, I can't stand her.
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Dislike the fact that Kelly is trying to stomp Doa when he's trying to tell a joke or talking about anything...
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On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote:
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
I can't seem to trust his knowledge either. And it would be nice if doa expanded his vocabulary too since he often use repetitive phrases/words. "hugely bad."
And I agree that casters need some sort of chemistry between other casters.
With Kelly, it seems he is being pushed around a lot. Kelly indirectly becomes aggressive to take the spotlight for some reason, even talking down doa on some of his useless comments which makes no sense. Obviously you're not going to have good chemistry if your partner is out to kill you.
I did not watch the show, but I would like to know how she talked down some of his commentaries. What did he say and how did she reply?
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