I just noticed that Gom posted news about second person that is going to cast Code A with Kelly. His name is Erik "doa" Lonnquist. Personally i didn't see him cast, but I'm pretty curious how he commentates
Comment here what u think about that xD His youtube channel >>>> DoaStarcraft<<<<
Poll: What do you think about Erik "doa" Lonnquist?
I don't really know what to say - Never heard him cast. (762)
48%
He is Awesome! I'm so happy. (512)
32%
It's good news, but there are better commentators out there. (183)
12%
I heard him cast, and I'm not happy at all. (133)
8%
1590 total votes
Your vote: What do you think about Erik "doa" Lonnquist?
(Vote): He is Awesome! I'm so happy. (Vote): It's good news, but there are better commentators out there. (Vote): I heard him cast, and I'm not happy at all. (Vote): I don't really know what to say - Never heard him cast.
On March 07 2011 14:52 peekn wrote: Not sure who this caster is, but he has some big shoes to fill if he is replacing tasteless for Code A.
He is not replacing Tasteless.
Kelly and doa is replacing Tasteless AND Artosis! They were switching, u saw tasteless and Artosis casting with Kelly because they didnt have 2nd caster for Kelly yet.
Nice, i diidn't find Tasteless and Kelly a good combination, hopefully Kelly with this guy will do better. Never heard him before though, good luck 2 you!
never heard of him, omfg lol i was listening to his latest cast on his youtube channel and i hear " 'muack' overlord kiss " hahaha he's made a fan of me already.
Wow, great voice, he belongs on the radio, or Starcraft 2 Commentating!
He's a little less dynamic than the other commentators, but perhaps that's just due to him solo casting? Maybe with casting partners we'll see him get more excited about things, besides that minor complaint I like him a lot!
Really nice voice, looking forward to seeing how he does. I still think I'd rather have Tastosis 24/7 but if this guy turns out to be good, I'll still watch Code A.
On March 07 2011 15:00 prodiG wrote: Where do I recognize the name Eric Lonnquist from? Does anyone know? I wanna say counterstrike but I can't find anything on google
So it's Doa, Kelly, and Moletrap confirmed for Code A casters.
I have never heard of doa though... I usually don't watch Code A games anymore but I'll tune in today to see how it goes. Hopefully best of luck with him and Kelly tonight..........
Get rid of Kelly. How lazy are Tasteless and Artosis if they stop doing part time Code A? That means they only work every other day during a tournament. It is not like they still have Idra there to coach.
On March 07 2011 15:17 MavercK wrote: love it i can understand him. sadly code a will remain unwatchable.
Same for me. I know it sounds incredible immature and childish but I just can`t bring myself to watch code A matches anymore because of *ahem*. I wish I could get passed it and muting just kinda ruins the experience for me too.
Casted an awesome ZvZ between LeenockfOu vs Liquid`Haypro. The game itself was pretty good, but I also really liked his casting. He's going to be awesome for Code A.
I prefer tastosis combo for both A and S still. Or having at least artosis there too offset some of the things kelly says. he seems good enough though, just wish they would stick with tastosis for both but they must be overworked or something.
His voice reminds me of JP, I feel bad for moletrap if he didn't get the casting job though. I've been liking Kelly's casting so far either way I guess.
This is DoA and I broadcasting the MWC a couple of weekends ago. He's a great guy, a great friend, and an AMAZING caster. I wish him all the luck in the world. Break a leg tonight.
This is DoA and I broadcasting the MWC a couple of weekends ago. He's a great guy, a great friend, and an AMAZING caster. I wish him all the luck in the world. Break a leg tonight.
This is DoA and I broadcasting the MWC a couple of weekends ago. He's a great guy, a great friend, and an AMAZING caster. I wish him all the luck in the world. Break a leg tonight.
This is DoA and I broadcasting the MWC a couple of weekends ago. He's a great guy, a great friend, and an AMAZING caster. I wish him all the luck in the world. Break a leg tonight.
soo which one is it? theres two people ._.
I also would like to know which one is DoA.
The guy on the right has an epic beard, though.
LOL, I'm the one with the beard, he's the guy on the left. Also, he was the only selection to not immediately post on various different social media forms about it (which GOMTV and crew were thankful for), so that's why nothing has come out before his cast tonight.
With Kelly? Another unwatchable season. This guy plus Torch would be cool. Kelly isnt that bad knowledge-wise but I find her accent very distracting (yeah I know I'm not exactly the first one to say this). I was hoping that Kelly would be replaced next season and someone said she had confirmed it already? She's staying for another one?
Never heard of him, but he has a pleasant voice to listen to and he can express himself well. Not too sure about game knowledge, as I've only briefly checked one of his vids on yt, but that is, in general, the most easily improved part of the job. No word about moletrap though, which is strange and disappointing, and the previously introduced problem remains untouched and unsolved, which means very little changed for GSL/Code A for me (I won't be seeing him at all). Nevertheless good luck to him, and to moletrap, of course!
We have to admit that it will be difficult for Gomtv to hire a high level player who plays on the KR server and know's everything about the latest build's.
He has a nice voice so it will be ok, but please get rid of the castafiore.
he's been around for a while, and he's decent -not the best game knowledge and observing out of the youtube casters, but high up there, good luck to him
I like his voice a lot but I don't see him working well with Kelly - I feel like they won't cover each others weaknesses as neither seem to be able to analyze.
Watched one of his casts for ~5min, he enunciates well, doesn't leave awkward pauses in his casts, has a pleasant/neutral voice/accent, and so far hasn't said anything stupid or incorrect. Can't say for sure that he's knowledgeable, but he's doing a good job of not making himself look bad.
We'll see for sure after he does a couple of GSL casts, but so far I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm especially surprised that I haven't heard of him at all before this. He's much better than many of the commentators I regularly see covering events.
His normal VODs seemed just like any other caster. However, his BtCC series shows that he is trying to really understand the game. Once he starts to integrate his BtCC style into the VOD commentaries, I think he'll do well.
Well they pick someone with a CASTING VOICE this time. I think his knowledge of the game is enough, I mean you don't need to attend classes to learn starcraft and he seem know what he is talking about. Hope GOM will buy Kelly a plane ticket soon, wait ill even pay for it LOL
Good voice but I don't see them working well either. The comedy that Tastosis brings is what makes the GSL so fun to watch, and the fact that both of them have an extremely extensive knowledge of the game. Whereas it doesn't seem the new guy has a whole lot (not saying he isn't good) but he just doesn't seem to have been playing since the early 00's. That being said I am very sad because I already felt as though Code A was very lackluster casting even though alot of the games have been incredibly good. I am happy that there are new faces and Tastosis wont be burned out and we might get to see an Artosis run at Code A but I just am not a fan of Kelly really, she has heart and puts god effort in but the accent mixed with the speed of her speech makes it hard to understand and she doesn't have a great game analysis. But hey we will see!
Hmm I would prefer a caster who is at least in diamond and ideally mid to high masters so they cant make more accurate judgements and comments about what the players are doing. Nothing against the guy though, good luck.
On March 07 2011 16:14 DarkRise wrote: Well they pick someone with a CASTING VOICE this time. I think his knowledge of the game is enough, I mean you don't need to attend classes to learn starcraft and he seem know what he is talking about. Hope GOM will buy Kelly a plane ticket soon, wait ill even pay for it LOL
I agree on the voice. He's really easy to listen to. I'm also pleased that he seems to know at least a couple important things to look for (gas timing, tech buildings, etc). Unfortunately, from the few casts I've seen, he doesn't appear to really know what these things mean, just that he should be looking for them.
Anyway, he seems like an alright choice, but I'd like to see someone with more game knowledge. It'll be especially rough if he's casting along with Kelly. Having two descriptive casters and no one providing analysis is a little redundant.
My only complaint is that he doesn't seem as exciting as other casters (tasteless khaldor etc.). That said though I think he'll be fine and brings in a nice mix with his smooth voice. Code A will be even more interesting now!
I want this guy to read me bedtime stories. He's got a nice voice! lol. I'll be checking more of his commentaries later--it will be interesting to see how he fairs in GOM
On March 07 2011 16:21 Galaxy77 wrote: Hmm I would prefer a caster who is at least in diamond and ideally mid to high masters so they cant make more accurate judgements and comments about what the players are doing. Nothing against the guy though, good luck.
I voted that I dunno who he is, but after hearing one of the games he casted, I somehow feel his voice sounds familiar. I can't seem to pinpoint who he sounds like though @_@
Never heard of the guy and probably won't listen to him, gotten into the habit of watching the stream muted since the casters are so biased that I find it really distracting during a game.
Just had a look at his channel, loved it. His casting isnt perfect, but it seems promising and his voice does sound really cool for a caster - looking forward to hearing him in the GSL.
@Galaxy77 : I don't mind a guy's ranking as long as you don't "feel" it during his casts. The guy can be gold himself yet have a very good theoretical knowledge of the game and therefore have an ability to comment on higher level plays. Football (soccer) commentators aren't always ex players and most of the ones who were usually were far from the best.
Listened to 10 seconds of one of his casts and he certainly passes in the voice category. I think him and Kelly would still be a disaster though. Him and Moletrap wouldn't be so bad although IMO Moletrap sounds like a 14 year old and his voice bothers me a bit.
Getting new commentators for Code A will make Tastosis better, as they will have more time to play and ladder which is pretty much key to being the top commentators in the world. Artosis actually having korean ladder metagame knowledge is far more interesting than having a good voice (he is blessed with both luckily).
This guy sounds great and seems to have a pretty good understanding of the game. I just don't know how he will fair with Kelly (not that she's bad, just don't see them mixing well).
On March 07 2011 16:21 Galaxy77 wrote: Hmm I would prefer a caster who is at least in diamond and ideally mid to high masters so they cant make more accurate judgements and comments about what the players are doing. Nothing against the guy though, good luck.
Trust me, ANY caster that are just diamond would get ripped to shreds by people. (Except totalbisquit)
On March 07 2011 16:21 Galaxy77 wrote: Hmm I would prefer a caster who is at least in diamond and ideally mid to high masters so they cant make more accurate judgements and comments about what the players are doing. Nothing against the guy though, good luck.
Trust me, ANY caster that are just diamond would get ripped to shreds by people.
Given that you can get to Masters based on mechanics alone doing 4gates (I imagine), I don't really agree that we should be rating casters on their in-game rating (although to some extent it is true). If you watch/observe enough games, you can understand tactics/strategies but maybe cannot execute them because you are just not a good gamer, mechanically.
Therefore, we should judge people on their casting, and not their ladder rank.
On March 07 2011 16:21 Galaxy77 wrote: Hmm I would prefer a caster who is at least in diamond and ideally mid to high masters so they cant make more accurate judgements and comments about what the players are doing. Nothing against the guy though, good luck.
Trust me, ANY caster that are just diamond would get ripped to shreds by people. (Except totalbisquit)
Trust me, at this point, any caster including Day9 and Incontrol would not be able to satisfy the whiners.
Guys that are saying that Moletrap is out of it, it's my understanding he's not. DoA has let me know that all casters are basically provisional pending a job well done. They are going to have a couple of people doing code A until the final selections are made. He may jump in this thread and correct me, but that's my understanding.
Definitely one of the better youtube-casters out there - though I've never heard him do anything live, hopefully he won't be too nervous.
On the whole league/rating/stuff: it's getting really annoying. Game knowledge has very little to do with execution. A 14 year old could probably execute strategies he doesn't understand much better than people with 30+....who actually told him these strats. We/you should really stop rating casters based on their ingame-playing-performance, that's ridiculous.
Oh yeah, and for the record, Tasteless has a terrible understanding of the game, I'm not even sure if he follows the scene at all besides GSL anymore. Let alone playing. Still his chemestry with Artosis is enough to make it entertaining (more or less).
I'm going to be asleep halfway through Code A listening to his voice, I skipped through a few videos and and couldn't find any instances where he sounded excited about what was happening. He doesn't have to be TotalBiscuit but some enthusiasm is warranted sometimes.
A new commentator, Erik "doa" Lonnquist will be joining us today! Erik will be commentating with Kelly for Code A matches.
Erik has live commentated matches involving many of the top North American players such as Drewbie, dde, and Fenix. He has also casted live matches featuring some top EU server players such as HayprO, Sjow, and Bly.
Some of the events Erik has worked for include US Craft Cup, Alert Open Cup, Prototype Cup, and tQ Open series.
Don't forget to tune in at 6:10PM KST (+9 GMT) today to see the new casting duo in action.
This statement says that Doa and kelly are the new casting duo. Does this mean that moletrap isn't getting the job, or that they are trying what casters have the best chemistry?
I think people underestimate kelly's knowledge of the game; she actually knows quite a lot but she doesn't quite have the command of english to communicate it clearly yet.
Also yeah, this guy is a bit monotonous. If he isnt providing some kind of strategic insight then he's just describing what you see on the screen without anything extra.
Never heard of him, so ill be looking forward to see him cast a few times before I can judge him. Hopefully he will be as good as Kelly with tastosis I really like those combinations!!
Don't know how good he is, but Code A is really going downhill. Much worse without Tasteless/Artosis. Kind of pathetic they refuse to work more than 10 hours a week.
I really like Erik, he seems confident and knows what he's doing. The game hasn't started, but he's doing great so far. I had never heard of him before, but he really has potential.
I fully understand that Tasteless and Artosis cant cast both Code A and Code S. That's just brutal. I only watch Code A games that interest me anyway, can always mute them, too.
I like this guy, he's a little boring I think but it's too early to tell until the games start. He's very collected and he totally knows what he's doing.
His voice seems a little bit "quiet" if he just speaks a little louder it would be very much better, or maybe I am just getting deaf :S heh.
Either way both Kelly and Doa so far seem to be doing good, filling in with on the spot pre-match talk is very nice, seems like they have established rapport between each other.
On March 07 2011 18:11 MrBadMan wrote: I fully understand that Tasteless and Artosis cant cast both Code A and Code S. That's just brutal. I only watch Code A games that interest me anyway, can always mute them, too.
Brutal? With the system they had going, they were casting 4 times a week, 3-4 hours a day. A 12-16 hour work week is hardly brutal.
On March 07 2011 18:10 HydroOwl wrote: Don't know how good he is, but Code A is really going downhill. Much worse without Tasteless/Artosis. Kind of pathetic they refuse to work more than 10 hours a week.
The problem is not 10 hours a week, the problem is try to coax the best voice out of them for 4-5 hours every other day. If you realize, this is a lot of work casting, even if they only read scripts it gets hard really really quickly. So please try to cast, with 2 persons, go 4 hours straight with about six 5min breaks, do this three times a week and see how your throat feels
On March 07 2011 18:11 MrBadMan wrote: I fully understand that Tasteless and Artosis cant cast both Code A and Code S. That's just brutal. I only watch Code A games that interest me anyway, can always mute them, too.
Brutal? With the system they had going, they were casting 4 times a week, 3-4 hours a day. A 12-16 hour work week is hardly brutal.
Not sure if you are serious, but commentating for more than 2 hours a day is stressful.
I've heard of him before, I think he casted a tournament with cats pajamas a few weeks ago. Which confuses me, since I think he just said he lives in Korea...
On March 07 2011 18:23 zeru wrote: OH god what a perfect casting voice. however im afraid this will make kelly's accent sound even worse than it already does.
yeah its like hearing the two ends of the casting spectrum
He's got a good voice for casting, but I pity anyone taking the place of Tasteless or Artosis. (Use Drew Carey's Price Is Right vs Bob Barker's as reference)
On March 07 2011 18:10 HydroOwl wrote: Don't know how good he is, but Code A is really going downhill. Much worse without Tasteless/Artosis. Kind of pathetic they refuse to work more than 10 hours a week.
The problem is not 10 hours a week, the problem is try to coax the best voice out of them for 4-5 hours every other day. If you realize, this is a lot of work casting, even if they only read scripts it gets hard really really quickly. So please try to cast, with 2 persons, go 4 hours straight with about six 5min breaks, do this three times a week and see how your throat feels
People don't realise how hard performing for hours at a time is, singers don't usually work more than 2 hours per night and rarely more than 3 times a week for this reason (even rock stars usually only perform a max 4 times per week and they have the money to have all the vocal therapy they need) The voice is a delicate thing, commentating for 3-4hours at a time, 5 days a week isn't good for your throat.
I didn't have anything against kelly, but I gotta say doa sounds like awesome caster from the get go. Surely if they'll switch one of them for next seasons, it'll have to be kelly. I still don't know exactly how good his game understanding is but the overall sound is just what caster needs.
Good voice, clear speaker, and doesn't seem too bad concerning game knowledge so far. Thumbs-up. Only thing I think he could use is a bit of excitement during the climactic moments of a game.
I don't like the lack of tasteless/artosis. Don't get me wrong, I think Doa and Kelly are both great casters. However, neither of them seem to have the insight tasteless and artosis have. Whenever players do something tasteless and artosis seem to be able to say what long term effects that move will have. Now when I'm watching these two, all I'm hearing is stuff like "losira is making even more roaches which may overcome Huk's stalkers." They're both doing play-by-play all the time. I'm just hoping that he'll improve with time so that eventually one of them two of them will provide that insight, otherwise I would like one replaced.
He sounds really good and like he's been there in a while but the only reason I don't like him is because I just haven't seen or even heard of him before. A bit of shallow judgment but whatevs he'll probably grow on me
On March 07 2011 18:44 Monasou wrote: This guy is fine. Kelly is still RUINING CODE A.
Why was there no thread for her when she started? I'll tell you why, would've went up in flames. Sorry.
Now that there is no artosis or tasteless it seems like they are completely ignoring talking about strategy. All I hear is talking about what is currently happening, which is good, but Tasteless and Artosis will identify strategies and explain possible outcomes which makes the game a lot more enjoyable...
can tell he's a bit nervous and doesn't know his limits yet, hopefully we get to see his personality once he gets comfortable because thats what casters r all about!
His voice is actually really good. The lack of strategic discussion, well maybe they do not have their roles split up now. But that guy could talk to me all night.
On March 07 2011 18:57 zocktol wrote: His voice is actually really good. The lack of strategic discussion, well maybe they do not have their roles split up now. But that guy could talk to me all night.
hook me up with a 3 way call baby we can double team on the listening
Good voice, reasonably comfortable, good chemistry with kelly, surprisingly entertaining. Not-high-masters game knowledge, which is very disappointing for me considering Kelly sounds like she's in low diamond, but then again the majority of viewers are bad players (diamond and under) so I guess this is good.
On March 07 2011 18:55 Rekrul wrote: can tell he's a bit nervous and doesn't know his limits yet, hopefully we get to see his personality once he gets comfortable because thats what casters r all about!
This is how I feel aswell, but I think you can see some really good potential.
I'm pleasantly surprised, he's pretty good! Very well spoken with a calm demeanor. Doing very well for his first GOM broadcast and will only get better. Though... I can't say the same for Kelly. She may be a cool person, but it's becoming even more evident that she isn't up to par when it comes to casting.
I think if they get someone with great knowledge of the game to analyze along with doa, Code A will definitely be a lot more watchable. I hate to see less of Tastosis but I completely understand that overcasting does take its toll.
He's doing a great job so far , considering its his first day. He got a deep , soothing , crystal clear voice and can talk nonstop without going "EERRRR". Now just get Moletrap or Wolf to cast with him please.
First I was like: "oh no, new casters again? I don't like, I don't like change." But then the games started, and I was like: "Oh this is actually nice, this guy is cool." I'm a typical starcraft viewer I guess :D
On March 07 2011 19:02 ElPokemono wrote: I'm pleasantly surprised, he's pretty good! Very well spoken with a calm demeanor. Doing very well for his first GOM broadcast and will only get better. Though... I can't say the same for Kelly. She may be a cool person, but it's becoming even more evident that she isn't up to par when it comes to quality casting.
I think if they get someone with great knowledge of the game to analyze along with doa, Code A will definitely be a lot more watchable. I hate to see less of Tastosis but I completely understand that overcasting does take its toll.
i'm really curious who makes all these decisions ...
to put in new casters ...
i mean srsly Tastosis was one of the reasons i bought a premium ticket from GOM and now i have to watch Code A muted ! this doa guy seems fine and he has a calm and good understandable voice but i really cant stand kellymilkis i mean i dont want to offend anyone especially not her but i really dont understand her weird accent and i dont think she has a nice voice to listen to at all ! i mean she can have a great personality and be a very likeable person but i just dont like her commentating
tastosis can't cast every day, i think this duo is actually pretty good i always thought casters were bad if they didn't have alot of game knowledge but these two are actually pretty fun to listen too
Im not sure how im supose to take a person seriose who claims to be pumped about the match when his voice gives you the impression his laying on his bed and is about to fall asleep... where's the exitement we know from tastosis ? or is that just artosis getting high before each cast ?`
He has a great voice, and quite frankly this is good for the community that a relatively fresh face comes in and goes to work. Now if only we have some pro-level player to co-cast...(i'm asking too much I know)
On March 07 2011 19:14 Seth_ wrote: I joined the stream mid-game and didn't notice there was a new commentator until the end of the game so he's certainly decent in game knowledge.
What league are you in?
Great caster, amazing voice. Diamond knowledge, at least from what he has talked about regarding zerg which isn't much.
i don't mind him; i had a lot more resistance to kelly when she first started (had more to do with change than anything). not a lot of analysis i agree, but we'll see how it goes in the coming weeks.
On March 07 2011 19:20 legaton wrote: Nice voice but he's another play-by-play caster, and not sure the tandem is gonna work as they need a more analytical caster.
Agreed. Great voice. But he's just telling me what I can already see with my own two eyes. Maybe first day chills but we shall see in due time.
On March 07 2011 19:06 EviL.sc wrote: I heard him before doing a cast with CatsPajamas if I'm not wrong, and it wasn't bad at all. Hope he can do well.
Yeah, we've casted the SC Reddit Open and the Midwest Championship together. We also do The Litterbox show on YouTube. I felt like his mom I was so nervous for him when things started. o.O
the poll is out dated, people should have watched him cast before voting. The poll shouldn't have even been made until after the GSL so we could vote appropriately.
in any case, he's doing really well I already like him more than Kelly. Also, Kelly was doing really well as an analyst with tasteless, I think she should continue that role and doa should be the play by play.
On March 07 2011 19:30 emc wrote: the poll is out dated, people should have watched him cast before voting. The poll shouldn't have even been made until after the GSL so we could vote appropriately.
in any case, he's doing really well I already like him more than Kelly. Also, Kelly was doing really well as an analyst with tasteless, I think she should continue that role and doa should be the play by play.
The bad thing is...Kelly can't go into any depth that I as a rather casual player cannot see. I get wow'ed by Artosis daily, but I just haven't seen that depth in anyone else but day[9] and TLO
Wow I really like doa so far. Even better, Kelly seems to be more comfortable with him and is casting better herself. I think this is actually better than Tasteless/Artosis + Kelly. His knowledge isn't underwhelming, either; certainly better than Kelly's (not phenomenal, but that's why she's the play-by-play).
To does who thinks he has a swedish sounding name. He's from minnesota hu? cause thats the place nearly all of the emigrants from sweden went to during 19th century. So he probebly has relatives that are from sweden.
Wanting Tasteless and Artosis casting 24/7 might seem reasonable but it isnt and would probably end up on both of them disappearing for good after being totally burned down, mind and vocal wise. Then instead of thread debating the fact that human beings dislike change, hence "omg Code A casters suck so bad!" seems to make sense (and it doesnt) we would have threads going on about "what happened to Tastosis? omg we drained them to the last drop of blood and sweat?" (exagerated figure of speech, trolls ---> that way).
Personal opinion: i enjoy the casters work in a prespective of providing a bit of dynamics to what im watching and im never a big fan of having the casters plugged into polygraphs to make sure everything they say can be written in stone and its the most beuatifull revelation ever. For me they're casting to entertain and provide some dynamics to what im watching, the rest i can see for myself and take it as deep as i might consider to be right for my taste.
Rather, what they should do is have people like HuK and Jinro join the commentary booth to provide special analysis once every few days for a couple of matches. At least, anything to stop me from having to mute GSL because Kelly's voice hurts my ears, especially when DoA's voice is so nice! :/
Doa is absolutely fantastic, I was afraid I would lose interest in watching Code A but i will definitely tune in now, not only for the matches but to watch the progress of Doa + Kelly.
He is doing an excellent job, very easy to listen to and not at all nervous.
So his name is Erik Lönnquist but he is American? He seems very Swedish (both in name and pigmentation) but his English is flawless, so I guess he was born in America but still has a Swedish name and stuff?
I am certainly impressed, he appears very calm considering it's his first day, I'd say good choice by GOM from what I've seen so far =)
My only 'gripe' is the dynamic of having two play by play casters, I feel my eyes already do their job pretty well! While play by play is certainly essential, its the analysis casters add that really enhance viewing (in my opinion).
It's been pretty clear to me ever since they starting working Kelly into the commentaries that GOM was reducing their western dependency on Tasteless and Artosis. The real question is the 'why', which we likely won't learn for a couple days.
I kind of like Kelly to be honest, having a hot chick commentate on what is normally a nerd-fest is good marketing. The new guy has a great voice and all that but put them together and they have 1/10th the synergy that Tasteless and Artosis had. The banter from these guys was most of the reasons I could tolerate rooting for a handful of Korean stars and a whole ship-load of people I'v never seen/heard of from the Korean scene.
I won't be subscribing to GOM for next season if these are the permanent casters, I don't get to catch most games live, and the thought of hearing these guys on all the VOD's is not very motivating.
I realize I'm late to the party here but Whaaaaaat!? Doa is an awesome commentator. Now I *really* miss that Artosis-level analysis but of course there is only so much Artosis to go around. Based on the last minute of those games he and kelly will be great.
On March 07 2011 20:07 BoneDancr wrote: It's been pretty clear to me ever since they starting working Kelly into the commentaries that GOM was reducing their western dependency on Tasteless and Artosis. The real question is the 'why', which we likely won't learn for a couple days.
Tastosis themselves requested to get extra code A casters, both their mind and their voice get's burned out from casting code S AND code A. I think Tasteless put it nice, you just can't do improvised commentary and be funny on stage for multiple hours five days a week. So with the new casters, Tastosis quality of casting will also improve.
Btw, correct me if im wrong but i've been following both Code A and Code S through the GomTV VOD's and recall Kelly comentating with Tasteless on the fact she was stay in Korea for 1 month. Was wondering if its a trial period shes doing now or just a short term contract and everything is already settled for her to leave her casting spot in a certain date.
Dont have any major issues with Kelly casting btw and im all for giving her a chance to get into the GomTV rythm and just start flowing her casting...we can only benefit from that.
On March 07 2011 20:07 BoneDancr wrote: It's been pretty clear to me ever since they starting working Kelly into the commentaries that GOM was reducing their western dependency on Tasteless and Artosis. The real question is the 'why', which we likely won't learn for a couple days.
I kind of like Kelly to be honest, having a hot chick commentate on what is normally a nerd-fest is good marketing. The new guy has a great voice and all that but put them together and they have 1/10th the synergy that Tasteless and Artosis had. The banter from these guys was most of the reasons I could tolerate rooting for a handful of Korean stars and a whole ship-load of people I'v never seen/heard of from the Korean scene.
I won't be subscribing to GOM for next season if these are the permanent casters, I don't get to catch most games live, and the thought of hearing these guys on all the VOD's is not very motivating.
Alright, I'm going to go out on a limb here to explain why I believe your negativity and those who share similar views around Kelly/new casters at all is detrimental to the growth of SC2.
As you have correctly pointed out, Kelly and Doa have no synergy, why should they? Both are new casters (Doa extremely so), while Artosis and Tasteless have years of both working together as friends, colleagues and players.
However, simply allowing Tasteless and Artosis to be the only monopoly on the biggest SC2 tournament to date, and not resubscribing to GOM for that reason alone is an extremely shortsighted and selfish thing to wish for. New faces must be given room and support to flourish, and this will encourage even more casters to try their hand at it, and it is the casters who are often best at promoting SC2, after all, the players are.. well, playing.
So for the sake of letting SC2 develop, give them a chance, not a week, not a month, but years.
On March 07 2011 20:07 BoneDancr wrote: It's been pretty clear to me ever since they starting working Kelly into the commentaries that GOM was reducing their western dependency on Tasteless and Artosis. The real question is the 'why', which we likely won't learn for a couple days.
The reason is because Tasteless and Artosis request it.
I hadn't heard of this guy before today, but I really like him. He's very easy to listen to. It also seems like he and Kelly could eventually end up having pretty good chemistry.
I think Kelly is supposed to be the analyst while Doa does more of the play-by-play. That sucks for her since people are so incredibly spoiled by people like Artosis, Day[9], etc. that everyone else is just doomed to fail. Artosis is a far better analytical caster than anyone else IMHO, and I don't know why people expect everyone that comes onto the scene to be able to fill his shoes.
his casting is alright. he makes the mistake of simpling stating what we're already seeing. Many other casters do this.
he needs to stop those weird head pivots in between games. Dunno if he thinks hes being or cute but it just makes him look retarded. probably just nervous and tr.ying too hard to be like-able.
Sounds great, I don't really watch GSL (especially Code A) but whenever I do this will make it sound much more enjoyable. I still don't like Kelly either (I liked Susie better than I like Kelly).
On March 07 2011 19:57 Drayne wrote: I think this sounds abit like CholeraSC, caster that left the scene i while back, abit less manly but still doing a good job out there
I think CholeraSC suddenly showing up to cast Code A would be even bigger than Flash and JD switching to SC2.
The community would implode on itself as we cannot take the sheer amount of awesome that is the return of Cholera. Alas, we can only dream.
Anyways, I really liked DoA's cast tonight. He was very clear, articulate, and had decent game knowledge. His calm voice and nice inflections sorta reminded me of HD's casts. Best of luck to DoA on future casts.
I personally don't get why kelly gets bashed so hard. I find her easy to understand and i am never confused by what she says. I also disagree with a lot of you and think her knowledge of the game isn't as bad as some of you make it sound. I would like to see her and the new caster grow together. Kelly has a little synergy with artosis.
On March 07 2011 20:20 Strut wrote: his casting is alright. he makes the mistake of simpling stating what we're already seeing. Many other casters do this.
Have you ever heard of something called a "play-by-play" caster? That's what they do, they tell you what's happening on the screen. It's not a mistake, it's what they are supposed to do.
On March 07 2011 20:19 byce wrote: I hadn't heard of this guy before today, but I really like him. He's very easy to listen to. It also seems like he and Kelly could eventually end up having pretty good chemistry.
I think Kelly is supposed to be the analyst while Doa does more of the play-by-play. That sucks for her since people are so incredibly spoiled by people like Artosis, Day[9], etc. that everyone else is just doomed to fail. Artosis is a far better analytical caster than anyone else IMHO, and I don't know why people expect everyone that comes onto the scene to be able to fill his shoes.
Artosis had been doing analysis for every game. Now he's going to do analysis for half the games. If GOM is going to replace him for those casts, when they're trying to gain revenue from subscriptions, wouldn't it be reasonable for them to get a replacement that can work to the same quality?
I think your point would make more sense in any other casting context, but when GOM advertises themselves as the biggest and most prestigious SC2 league then they should be judged in that context. When you're charging for content "could eventually" isn't good enough.
Voice is the main qualification of american idol. This is GSL. That being said giving new people a chance is fine but when they have such terrible sense of the game and it's progression then what are they doing cast gsl. The new guy, doa ,deserves a chance and i wont say much about him. Kelly however is just a terrible caster. Why do people care that shes hot or w/e, were watching sc2 matches right? I mean there are Secret commercials during breaks with much hotter girls. Every night, she proves that she is not learning anything about the game and not keeping track of progaming. This is her job now so why does she still say absurd things. Examples from tonight: Squirtle team killed IM (lol), void/ colo the "standard" pvz, alicia is my second favorite zerg, terrans are playing conservative today( lol again). I was fine with tastless saying he didnt know much about certain matchups because he admitted it and got a ton better while still being entertaining and artosis is clearly the best sc2 caster atm. without someone to talk more than kelly(artosis) and without tasteless joking around these casts have gotten both inexperienced and boring.
On March 07 2011 20:38 jackThecat wrote: Voice is the main qualification of american idol. This is GSL. That being said giving new people a chance is fine but when they have such terrible sense of the game and it's progression then what are they doing cast gsl. The new guy, doa ,deserves a chance and i wont say much about him. Kelly however is just a terrible caster. Why do people care that shes hot or w/e, were watching sc2 matches right? I mean there are Secret commercials during breaks with much hotter girls. Every night, she proves that she is not learning anything about the game and not keeping track of progaming. This is her job now so why does she still say absurd things. Examples from tonight: Squirtle team killed IM (lol), void/ colo the "standard" pvz, alicia is my second favorite zerg, terrans are playing conservative today( lol again). I was fine with tastless saying he didnt know much about certain matchups because he admitted it and got a ton better while still being entertaining and artosis is clearly the best sc2 caster atm. without someone to talk more than kelly(artosis) and without tasteless joking around these casts have gotten both inexperienced and boring.
Opinions.
Artosis used to get bashed endlessly for making bad calls, and now all of sudden he's the best SC2 caster ha. Even though Kelly is right most of the time, and her knowledge of the match ups are pretty good, she just gets bashed whenever she's wrong because people hate her for not being a native English speaker.
On March 07 2011 20:07 BoneDancr wrote: It's been pretty clear to me ever since they starting working Kelly into the commentaries that GOM was reducing their western dependency on Tasteless and Artosis. The real question is the 'why', which we likely won't learn for a couple days.
I kind of like Kelly to be honest, having a hot chick commentate on what is normally a nerd-fest is good marketing. The new guy has a great voice and all that but put them together and they have 1/10th the synergy that Tasteless and Artosis had. The banter from these guys was most of the reasons I could tolerate rooting for a handful of Korean stars and a whole ship-load of people I'v never seen/heard of from the Korean scene.
I won't be subscribing to GOM for next season if these are the permanent casters, I don't get to catch most games live, and the thought of hearing these guys on all the VOD's is not very motivating.
Actually , its just that tasteless and artosis cant be casting between 3-5hours every day but sunday. Outside of all the personal reasons their voices just wouldnt be able to handle it.
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
This plus she's on the Korean server so. She's got way more game knowledge than most of these random forum posters who think they know it all being in Bronze-Platinum on the US server :/
not sure if we're watching the same gsl but how can you say she has game knowledge? she plays zerg and during a match when a zerg player was going 14 gas/pool she said the zerg player was going all in lings when they removed the drones from gas after getting speed... she has already admitted that she is not able to get masters on the korean server in a previous cast...
On March 07 2011 21:30 barrowedbanering wrote: not sure if we're watching the same gsl but how can you say she has game knowledge? she plays zerg and during a match when a zerg player was going 14 gas/pool she said the zerg player was going all in lings when they removed the drones from gas after getting speed... she has already admitted that she is not able to get masters on the korean server in a previous cast...
to be completely fair, not many people here would make masters on the Korean server. I don't like Kelley's voice, it just doesn't fall well on my ears, but shes a good caster and prolly better at this game than I am....
As for Doa, i thought he did very well, seemed to be comfortable infront of the camera and he knew when to be quiet....
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
Gonna have to disagree. I am no pro here, but I can tell Kellys game knowledge when she is casting is very lacking. I am not sure if she just kind of exaggerates what she is saying in the moment to sound better as a caster, or if she is just that misinformed about the game. But either way she often predicts wrong and miscalls who will win battles which seem obvious.
On March 07 2011 21:30 barrowedbanering wrote: not sure if we're watching the same gsl but how can you say she has game knowledge? she plays zerg and during a match when a zerg player was going 14 gas/pool she said the zerg player was going all in lings when they removed the drones from gas after getting speed... she has already admitted that she is not able to get masters on the korean server in a previous cast...
to be completely fair, not many people here would make masters on the Korean server. I don't like Kelley's voice, it just doesn't fall well on my ears, but shes a good caster and prolly better at this game than I am....
As for Doa, i thought he did very well, seemed to be comfortable infront of the camera and he knew when to be quiet....
but then WHY is she a good caster, her game knowledge is not up to par to be a caster in the highest quality sc2 tournament in the world and her voice obviously isn't either, atleast to alot of people.
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
This plus she's on the Korean server so. She's got way more game knowledge than most of these random forum posters who think they know it all being in Bronze-Platinum on the US server :/
Casters wont have the time to stay up-to-date on the current top-of-the-line trends from playing the game themselves; they have to stay up-to-date by asking/watching players and talking to them. This can be done by anyone who has decent skills in communicating; it just takes some time (for anyone).
Wow, really happy with the pick. The only person with a better voice than this guy is Diggity. Gotta hear him do some silly between game banter and whatnot to really get a good opinion of him, but I'm happy so far.
I was really impressed with Doa, though i didn't get to watch all the games i found him to almost be the polar opposite of Kelly. He has an awesome casting voice, he is easy to listen to and does the play by play well. Kelly has none of those things really, though perhaps we all have a unreasonable dislike for Kelly. I can't really comment on his game knowledge but Kelly's seems below what i would expect for a GSL level caster.
What i did find interesting though was that Gom only announced the change in caster 4 hours before code A. Trying to prevent any shit storm occurring here and else were on the internet like when Kelly was appointed i imagine. Was pretty surprised to see him sitting there next to Kelly when code A began.
Edit: Just re-watching the Rain Alicia game and Doa is sitting on Artosis's side, mite mean that he is supposed to analyse as he has the non observer computer?
I agree that Gom probably ninja'd him in at the last second to avoid the kind of internet nuclear fallout that resulted when Kelly was announced... I'm just glad that Tasteosis are still doing the up/down matches, Code A is a dreary place without the casting archon
Very good casting voice from briefly listening, don't know if he'll be funny etc or what his game knowledge is since I don't have the time yet to listen all the way through, but gl to him.
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
Some quotes taken from 5 mins of one game tonight.
Erik: This is actually my favorite of the new GSL maps(talking about terminus re) Kelly: Oh I bet you play it a lot on ladder.
Erik: Oh we're gonna be getting a shot of that. It's a twilight council!(hidden in another base) Kelly: Looks like it's gonna be early blink!
As for doa, he was great tonight, and is only gonna get better. I would love to see him with Artosis.
guy did suprisingly well considering it was his first time in front of the gsl camera - i was definitely fearful for the watchability of code a games without artosis or tasteless, but they have made a good choice with doa i think.
Kelly mentioned in an interview that she was leaving Korea on the 17th IIRC, and moletrap hasn't gone out yet. Moletrap mentioned in Feb he would be going "next month" for some weeks. What we could end up seeing is Doa and Moletrap casting for next competition, and no Kellymilkies (based on what she has said about going home).
I thought DOA channeled a lot of Artosis's style of casting -- he even looks like Artosis, with the blazer! A little. (white ppl all look the same amirite)
Would be cool to see how they co-cast and play off one another, he seems like a natural in front of the camera.
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
I don't have knowledge on her account in KR so I could be very wrong nowadays, but I believe she is/was with aLt and she was a high plat/low diamond player on SEA (you can search aLtkeLLy on sc2ranks, it was plat before she started casting etc).
Sooo comfortable to listen to. For some reason I'm thinking about commercials when I listen to him :D
I would pair him with a highly energetic caster that screams with excitement when big stuff happens. Kelly as a type is ideal for him as she is quite energetic but in reality she is probally the worst match for him as his calm voice puts Kellys in a really bad light. It's like night and day and it's not working out too well. Doa doing a really great job though, really great debut as well, one could image you would be really nervous on the first day but he handled it really well.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
I agree it's definitely above gold, but it's no higher than diamond. Perhaps with her knowledge you can still be in low masters with good mechanics, most low masters people don't understand the game that much. I'm a high masters zerg and can confirm that she has a huge number of misconceptions about ZvX matchups and she only gets the very basic things fully correct.
She rarely says anything flat out incorrect, but her hits are hits any plat/diamond player would get.
People complaining about this really need to find a way to GET OVER IT. Seriously. Doa is actually quite good. Kelly is excellent. Tasteless and Artosis cannot do EVERYTHING for GOM.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
I agree it's definitely above gold, but it's no higher than diamond. Perhaps with her knowledge you can still be in low masters with good mechanics, most low masters people don't understand the game that much. I'm a high masters zerg and can confirm that she has a huge number of misconceptions about ZvX matchups and she only gets the very basic things fully correct.
She rarely says anything flat out incorrect, but her hits are hits any plat/diamond player would get.
She said in a cast that she is high diamond on the Korean ladder
Doa is good. His calm casting is nice, quite similar to HD's way of commentating. Definitely a better first day than Kelly's. Kelly on the other hand, I would say she has improved a hell lot. Not as irritating as the first day but still mispronouncing words and all. One major problem I find about her is her tone. She sounds as if she is forcing herself to sound lively.
I'll give Doa a 7/10. His good. But one flaw is that he is too calm to get anyone excited with that tone.
Wolf and Doa would be a magnificent combo. I feel having two fairly laid back back commentators would combine really well with Code A rather than having a Tastosis 2.0 (which inevitably would be an inferior copy) casting it.
Doa is good at what he does, he isn't in the expert seat like an Artosis. Sadly kelly is the same as Doa, they both do the same job which isn't really working for me. I don't listen to hear them tell me whats happening on screen, I listen to Tastosis for the plays which come in the future, which code a casters don't do at all, this is whats lacking.
Sadly the only people who throw themselves to the top of the caster mountains are all current or previous top class players. Code A needs one of them to be with doa (or even kelly)
I've never heard of him before and i'm really surprised. His cast was really good and they had a good connection with kelly. I'm looking forward to seeing these two cast more code A!
On March 07 2011 20:53 jackThecat wrote: Didn't say a word about Kelly's speech i can understand her perfectly fine but she just has the game knowledge of a gold player.
I beg to differ, calling her game knowledge "gold level" is flat out blind hate.
She plays this game competitively, at least at masters I'd imagine, and is correct most of the time.
I don't have knowledge on her account in KR so I could be very wrong nowadays, but I believe she is/was with aLt and she was a high plat/low diamond player on SEA (you can search aLtkeLLy on sc2ranks, it was plat before she started casting etc).
She's currently Korean diamond, which is masters in NA or EU.
Of course the previous statement is just an assumption (the equivalence of korean diamond = masters NA/EU, but it should hold water.)
She statted her ladder rank on many occations during her casting with Tasteless when he started mentionning that he too is Korean masters and telling how NA server masters is a joke (for him considering all his years of BW).
He acually has a good voice AND pronounciation. <3
Seriously I was watching the first Code A matches again with Kelly... no offence to her it's great that she's out there doing her thing but hot damn I don't understand half of what the fuck she's saying.
Definitely completely fine for a first cast, we need to give him and Kelly time to find their rhythm as there were a lot of awkward moments but that's to be expected. I actually can understand Kelly just fine (4 years of Asian engineering professors) she just tends to get too excitable but I have faith it can get better.
He seems pretty decent to me as a play-by-play caster, judging by watching Code A today. He has a decent voice for casting.
As for analysis, I don't know if his game knowledge is up to that standard after only watching one days casting. He said a few questionable things, but that's excusable on your first day.
At first, I got really scared, I could deal with Kelly and her horrible english(don't tell me it's accent - steam, heyvy, mixing is and are etc.) if there was at least Tasteless or Artosis, but a guy, that I've never heard of and Kelly?
Luckily after his first few words, my fear was gone and I enjoyed it quite a bit. He was surprisingly very calm and confident for his first televised casting. Somebody mentioned, that his puns were horrible, but they gave me a chuckle. With someone else as the second caster, I think it would work out even better.
Sounds great! His name IS swedish tho. No doubt about it.
I dont have a problem with casters being non-native speakers. Rottendam (if thats how you spell it) was great during ESL for example. I would have loved to have him in GOM. That being said I hate Kelly as a caster.
Way to go Doa! I don't know about anyone else, but I want to hear more about his story... going all the way out to Korea for a casting job with no history of BW at all? Big risks, and I guess big rewards. Hope to hear more soon.
On March 07 2011 14:52 peekn wrote: Not sure who this caster is, but he has some big shoes to fill if he is replacing tasteless for Code A.
He is not replacing Tasteless.
Kelly and doa is replacing Tasteless AND Artosis! They were switching, u saw tasteless and Artosis casting with Kelly because they didnt have 2nd caster for Kelly yet.
Yup. I got to hand it to Nick and Dan. They should get an award for being so accommodating to Kelly.
With that said, I'm pretty sure I've seen Doa on YouTube before. At least he enunciates well.
This guy has what it takes. He is relaxed, can observe well, and casts quite well, he accepts kelly is casting with him and totally ignores any bias that she can't pronounce english, he accepts the situation and is here to entertain us, and I really appreciate that. I like a motivated caster.
The only thing stopping this guy from casting code A is Tasteless and Artosis applying for code A.
I had never heard of Doa before last nights cast, but I thought he did an excellent job. Unfortunately I still had to watch most of the games with the sound muted due to Kelly's extremely grating voice. I look forward to seeing who he casts with next season when she is gone.
Just watched the first game of the night and was quite surprised at how well Erik did. I am one of those that immediately didn't like Kelly because of her voice/accent while speaking English. The only way I can describe it is that while I can understand her, I feel like I'm constantly decoding morse code. I just don't want to do that while I'm trying to relax and just watch some good games.
It's sad that Tastosis won't be casting Code A anymore though. One of their best qualities was making a lackluster game enjoyable which Code A tends to have more of. Oh wells.....
wow for his first day this guy is pretty good, very nice voice. Still miss tastosis, but will be interesting to see the chemistry develop between kelly/erik.
Wait. Doesnt this social chameleon make anybody elses blood f***ing curdle? Theres page up, page down about his sweet voice and flaming kelly, but no one seems to have noticed how he blatantly impersonates tasteless and sometimes artosis. I mean its not just that he uses the same jokes - that i could have gone along with - but he also uses the exact same pitch in his voice. It is like he's some sociopath which thinks his success as a shoutcaster is directly related to him sounding like tasteless.
I can understand him being nervous as it was his first day and all, but this is something he has obviously practiced and memorized brooding alone in his dark room.
He seems to have no indivduality, no soul (maybe he was born ginger)
I dont mean to be overly critical. Yes his voice was good. He handled the limelight pretty well. But people whose role model seems to be The Talented Mr. Ripley just doesnt sit right with me. Its shoutcasting, not an impersonation contest. Hopefully he will develop a personality over time.
What's the reasoning behind needing a refresh set of casters for Code A? Surely there is proportional increase in salary should Tastosis cast both leagues.
Unless it's causing too much strain on their vocal cords. In that case, I totally understand.
I went in like anyone would hearing a caster you've never heard of will be casting. Not optimistic, if you couldn't decode that.
Instead I was pleasantly surprised, while there isn't too much analysis of Tastosis caliber (which isn't saying much, considering they are probably the best of the best) his voice is really relaxed without sounding boring at all. I'm usually critical of voices, often ending up simply muting most streams but as I said, I was pleasantly surprised.
Girl with a bad voice and no game knowledge = community is up in arms!
Guy with a good voice and no game knowledge = perfect fit for GomTV!
I mean come on. Yeah the guy is very professional and he's a born MC/radio personality, but so is Jason Lee and I wouldn't have supported him getting the job alongside Kelly either. There was zero meaningful analysis of any of the games played. He doesn't have an incredibly vibrant personality. What does he really add to the cast? He's just kind of "there".
An improvement over Kelly to be sure, but this is not the caliber of casting that we should be expecting from the biggest SC2 tournament in the world. I can't believe there's so much hate on these forums for Husky, yet someone with less knowledge and less personality is instantly embraced.
On March 08 2011 00:53 dukethegold wrote: What's the reasoning behind needing a refresh set of casters for Code A? Surely there is proportional increase in salary should Tastosis cast both leagues.
They have said it themselves that it was too much for them.
On March 08 2011 01:02 Cel.erity wrote: I'm honestly really confused by the TL community.
Girl with a bad voice and no game knowledge = community is up in arms!
Guy with a good voice and no game knowledge = perfect fit for GomTV!
blabla
The guy has far more game knowledge than the girl.
I think he did a great job on his first day. He seemed very comfortable and calm in that position which is admirable. He has decent enough game knowledge and a good voice. Even if he could improve on his game knowledge I don't see that as that big of an issue as it will come with time.
On March 08 2011 00:45 Aphasie wrote: Wait. Doesnt this social chameleon make anybody elses blood f***ing curdle? Theres page up, page down about his sweet voice and flaming kelly, but no one seems to have noticed how he blatantly impersonates tasteless and sometimes artosis. I mean its not just that he uses the same jokes - that i could have gone along with - but he also uses the exact same pitch in his voice. It is like he's some sociopath which thinks his success as a shoutcaster is directly related to him sounding like tasteless.
I can understand him being nervous as it was his first day and all, but this is something he has obviously practiced and memorized brooding alone in his dark room.
He seems to have no indivduality, no soul (maybe he was born ginger)
I dont mean to be overly critical. Yes his voice was good. He handled the limelight pretty well. But people whose role model seems to be The Talented Mr. Ripley just doesnt sit right with me. Its shoutcasting, not an impersonation contest. Hopefully he will develop a personality over time.
Thats a bit harsh but I agree with the general point. At first I was really glad he had excellent intonation, nice voice, looks good etc but then I started to notice exactly what you are pointing out now. It's a bit of a hit or miss though, on one hand he really did his homework and it does make it quite solid but on the other hand the similarities can become a bit too much, so I get what you mean. However a big part of this is also because while doing so, he takes long breaks because he realises what he's doing and he knows you are gonna come on here and say that! The thing with that is, its his first day, when I get nervous I can't think at all! So for me it's no surprise and not a big deal that he falls back on what he has planned. When he settles in more, gets less nervous, is able to think and implement more things on the spot, I'm sure his personality will make its appearence and he can start to create his own style. Similar to what we have seen happen with kelly, and the gom observer, within days they make tremendous progress and this guy will do the same and probably improve really well, like to a new level. I really think so he actually seems skilled at casting and I think that's what Brother DJWheat always preaches with the Church of eSports , there goes a lot of thought into the actual casting process and that is very important to play and expand upon, and he knows it and that alone makes me really curious to see where it will take him. Best of luck btw!
I think he sounds pretty good overall, and he while he doesn't seem to have the highest caliber of analysis, he knows what he's talking about. I'm interested in how he and Kelly will handle casting together. Who's going to analyze, and who's going to play-by-play? Or will it be something else entirely.
On March 08 2011 01:02 Cel.erity wrote: I'm honestly really confused by the TL community.
Girl with a bad voice and no game knowledge = community is up in arms!
Guy with a good voice and no game knowledge = perfect fit for GomTV!
I mean come on. Yeah the guy is very professional and he's a born MC/radio personality, but so is Jason Lee and I wouldn't have supported him getting the job alongside Kelly either. There was zero meaningful analysis of any of the games played. He doesn't have an incredibly vibrant personality. What does he really add to the cast? He's just kind of "there".
An improvement over Kelly to be sure, but this is not the caliber of casting that we should be expecting from the biggest SC2 tournament in the world. I can't believe there's so much hate on these forums for Husky, yet someone with less knowledge and less personality is instantly embraced.
Two basic things about a caster. One is the voice and the other game knowledge. If you have one of these things only, then working with a second person (male or female) with the other is a perfect fit. And this is what we have seen in EVERY sport. But if you lack both, people are not gonna be happy, and it's just not gender oriented.
On March 08 2011 01:02 Cel.erity wrote: I'm honestly really confused by the TL community.
Girl with a bad voice and no game knowledge = community is up in arms!
Guy with a good voice and no game knowledge = perfect fit for GomTV!
I mean come on. Yeah the guy is very professional and he's a born MC/radio personality, but so is Jason Lee and I wouldn't have supported him getting the job alongside Kelly either. There was zero meaningful analysis of any of the games played. He doesn't have an incredibly vibrant personality. What does he really add to the cast? He's just kind of "there".
An improvement over Kelly to be sure, but this is not the caliber of casting that we should be expecting from the biggest SC2 tournament in the world. I can't believe there's so much hate on these forums for Husky, yet someone with less knowledge and less personality is instantly embraced.
When kelly already ruined your season ticket, you could accept any decent caster.
The good casting archon would be a HT + DT
HT : Makes a psionic stoms of houha ha , wow, damn, … Husky would be okay for this. DT : A stealth killer of sc2, who knows everything about the game. Idealy he is a programmer with nice personality like Incontrol
On March 08 2011 01:32 Termit wrote: Is he Swedish? Otherwise, his parents must be because he has a typical swedish name.
EDIT: Could also be norwegian. ^^
Plenty of people migrated from Sweden during 1800-1900, seeing is how his last name is spelled without umlauts that's a huge possibility. Great addition non the less.
This guy has an amazing voice ;> His analytical skills could definitely be better, but he compromised it by casting this very chill, would never have said that it was his first day .
Pros: Great voice, flow tone, acts and looks professional, words used are very descriptive, sentence construction is superb. Cons: Lacks excitement, less in-depth knowledge of player backgrounds or the game itself, lack of a striking personality.
I think this guy can work well with any kind of caster. What I like is how he can talk, pause, talk - and every pause Kelly can come in and it's smooth (without sounding like she is interrupting him) but if Kelly didn't say anything on the pause, it sounded like he paused for effect. Not an easy ability for a caster to have.
His voice lacks excitement and he comes off a more neutral caster, but that might not be a con :D -- it might actually be a strength since he comes off as instantly complementary to any type of caster that comes his way.
GSL comes on when I'm at work, so I wouldn't want anything OTT with commentators that are screaming their heads off, unless something happened that was totally amazing. He complemented Kelly well, it was quite pleasant to listen to.
Hes ok. I prefer him to Kelly. I think its a good idea for gom to trial all these new casters maybe something great will be born from it or maybe we will finally have a 3 person casting team!
On March 08 2011 01:07 eAzydaman wrote: What happened to Moletrap? He didn't get the gig i suppose?
For all we know, Moletrap might not even be in Korea at the moment.
He said that he would be going to Korea sometime this month and staying there for a few weeks, and according to a post from one of Doa's friends (probably in this thread), GOM has yet to make a final decision about casters until they're done with an extensive evaluation.
It seems that Doa's recent casting with Code A is just part of GOM's evaluation process, and considering that Moletrap said that he's staying for a few weeks in Korea, I wouldn't be surprised if he randomly shows up one day to cast Code A.
I only watched him cast HuK vs Losira last night but from that set I wasn't impressed with his game knowledge. Hopefully he was just nervous and not showing his potential because I didn't enjoy his commentary much.
On March 07 2011 23:57 Hrrrrm wrote: Just watched the first game of the night and was quite surprised at how well Erik did. I am one of those that immediately didn't like Kelly because of her voice/accent while speaking English. The only way I can describe it is that while I can understand her, I feel like I'm constantly decoding morse code. I just don't want to do that while I'm trying to relax and just watch some good games.
It's sad that Tastosis won't be casting Code A anymore though. One of their best qualities was making a lackluster game enjoyable which Code A tends to have more of. Oh wells.....
Great voice, genuinely funny guy, he actually casts the game instead of just doing a boring play by play (has nice insights about the game from time to time to spice it up along with some nice jokes imo) I worry how he'll work out with kelly since she always interrupts and tries to "steal the show" during big fights. He's good though. Real good.
i voted dont know but just heard him cast some code a and his voice is very good, analysis is ok but he doesnt have the 'baller nerd' personality that makes artosis and tasteless so good. if he commentates for a while i could see him being a top caster when hes as comfortable as artosis and tasteless are.
if he replaces kelly im extremely happy, if artosis and tastelss entirely stop casting code A im extremely dissappointed.
Where do GOMtv find these random people lol? Go on youtube and look for all videos with under 1000 views? I don't understand why they don't just choose somebody who has a lot of experience/is well known.
At least Artosis/Tasteless buffers the terrible commentary of Kelly...but now it's just one big noobfest of commentary. I guess Code A matches will remain muted....
Saw him last night, he was OK. His analysis was kinda bad and almost all his jokes fell flat... but hey, he is new. Guy was probably nervous. His voice is fine, and I think that with time I won't mind him one bit. I found kelly a bit annoying at first but I don't mind her at all anymore. Just give them time and the synergy will come.
Part of me is really sad that we only get 50% as much Tastosis as before, I think I'm suffering from Tyler's dreaded "loving the casters more than the game"... I won't lie, the only reason I turn the GSL on when the players I like aren't playing is to see tastosis goof off xD
He seemed fairly knowledgable and had a clean voice. Im sure he'll get better as he gets more comfortable, but I enjoyed his cast. I think he needs a new name though.
On March 08 2011 02:49 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: Where do GOMtv find these random people lol? Go on youtube and look for all videos with under 1000 views? I don't understand why they don't just choose somebody who has a lot of experience/is well known.
At least Artosis/Tasteless buffers the terrible commentary of Kelly...but now it's just one big noobfest of commentary. I guess Code A matches will remain muted....
GOM chooses from people who applied to the Code A position and are available to cast during the needed time period. It takes a lot of time, effort, and money for most English casters to apply for the position and to fly to Korea, so a lot of casters probably didn't apply due to these costs.
I like the new guy a lot. I do like Kelly too, she has improved a lot. Her most annoying quality was the tendency to do "and then he's like: YAAAAAAAAAH" - kind of things. I don't like when people try to encode what I think (unsuccesfully), so as long as she gets rid of that I'll be fine.
And she has done it well too. GO GO KELLY!!! She has reduced the annoying parts and now I understand her naturally (without giving it too much thought). I'm sad if Kelly goes. YES, I said it.
Doa is a good caster, nothing else can be really said. To get image of his game knowledge I'll have to see more games, but otherwise I like him.
On March 08 2011 01:02 Cel.erity wrote: I'm honestly really confused by the TL community.
Girl with a bad voice and no game knowledge = community is up in arms!
Guy with a good voice and no game knowledge = perfect fit for GomTV!
I mean come on. Yeah the guy is very professional and he's a born MC/radio personality, but so is Jason Lee and I wouldn't have supported him getting the job alongside Kelly either. There was zero meaningful analysis of any of the games played. He doesn't have an incredibly vibrant personality. What does he really add to the cast? He's just kind of "there".
An improvement over Kelly to be sure, but this is not the caliber of casting that we should be expecting from the biggest SC2 tournament in the world. I can't believe there's so much hate on these forums for Husky, yet someone with less knowledge and less personality is instantly embraced.
How the hell are you confused? A person's voice is by far the most important aspect of an occupation that involves talking for 2 hours straight. I mean seriously, would you want to listen to an emphysemic 90 year old woman who learned English 5 years ago even if she happened to have triple the Starcraft related insight of Day[9] and Artosis put together? I wouldn't mind reading about what she had to say but listening to her for entertainment? Be honest with yourself.
I have nothing against Kelly as a person or even what she does but she simply should not be casting for GomTV in English. If just Doa were casting or Doa with Artosis or Tasteless, or even Doa + Jason Lee I would be extremely happy, but unfortunately now not only am I removed from 100% of the personality that is the Casting Archon, but I have to listen to Kelly who IMO, does not have a pleasing tonality to her voice. I don't know much about Susie Kim so I don't know why she stopped casting for Gom or why she isn't casting now, but she is league's ahead of Kelly in casting ability simply because her voice is nice to listen to. Again I don't know much about her so I can't comment on game knowledge but honestly I can't say I've been impressed at all by Kelly in that aspect either. She just isn't a good fit :\
I just noticed something. Big part why I enjoyed watching GSL was Tasteless and Artosis and now when they are gone I'm noticing that I'm slowly losing interest in games. I still watched Losira vs HuK, but it's mostly because there was a foreigner involved. I don't really have that urge to watch the other games. I don't even really know why this is. I'm sure I will watch the good games and games with foreigners but I guess Tasteless and Artosis was a big part why I enjoyed GSL so much
Doa did a great job, it's not his fault. Maybe this just needs time to grow on me. I'm sorry I don't have any specific way them to fix this but best I can think of his get more loose. Tasteless and Artosis had that fun factor with them that even bad and boring games were watchable.
He is about a million times better than kelly ( not like that is saying much though) and he has a good voice, hopefully he will be able to do good then again you only need one awful commentator in a duo to ruin the whole cast which is gonna make it difficult to judge him fairly :/
On March 08 2011 03:07 Geovu wrote: How the hell are you confused? A person's voice is by far the most important aspect of an occupation that involves talking for 2 hours straight. I mean seriously, would you want to listen to an emphysemic 90 year old woman who learned English 5 years ago even if she happened to have triple the Starcraft related insight of Day[9] and Artosis put together? I wouldn't mind reading about what she had to say but listening to her for entertainment? Be honest with yourself.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
They should grab a relatively high level player to cast with Doa, that'd be nice. I don't really mind Kelly, I just think there should be someone who can lay down some real knowledge casting with either and I happen to like Doa more than her.
Wish Psy could come over to Korea and cast. Good caster and a surprisingly good player.
Judging from the first vod of him he acted and talked kinda like Artosis (in the beginning). I guess he was OK, way better than Kelly and it seems that English is actually his mother tongue.
On March 08 2011 03:10 Piski wrote: I just noticed something. Big part why I enjoyed watching GSL was Tasteless and Artosis and now when they are gone I'm noticing that I'm slowly losing interest in games. I still watched Losira vs HuK, but it's mostly because there was a foreigner involved. I don't really have that urge to watch the other games. I don't even really know why this is. I'm sure I will watch the good games and games with foreigners but I guess Tasteless and Artosis was a big part why I enjoyed GSL so much
Doa did a great job, it's not his fault. Maybe this just needs time to grow on me. I'm sorry I don't have any specific way them to fix this but best I can think of his get more loose. Tasteless and Artosis had that fun factor with them that even bad and boring games were watchable.
this is so true, but what can u do? the world keeps spinning^^ i just hope tastosis will be casting for long as possible TOGETHER
Doa seems pretty good. I thought he did extremely well for his first time.
I only watched the Huk games though - I really don't like Kelly's casting. Her game knowledge is too weak to justify her grating casting voice. Though I am Asian-American myself, I her accent thick to the point of parody. I would like to be supportive, but I would rather see her gone. I don't blame her, but rather the person who hired her (if that's any consolation).
He seemed to do a great job, good solid voice, I have no issues at all with kellys casting, although many people seem to jump on that hatewagon.
I'm completely content with these two casting together. But as more and more foreigners drop out and leave Korea, I'll be finding myself only watching code S anyways.
Kelly is alright, I love her casting, but I really can't stand Doa. '3 times 150 minerals is ... I can't add 150 three times (not multiply) I come from a liberal arts major ...' Quick somebody gag him.
I know I'm getting flammed and probably banned for this but I can't watch code A any more because of kelly. I tried watching HuK play last night but her voice really annoys me. I know how bad that sounds and I understand and acknowledge the fact that she has a really strong understanding of the game and its mechanics but I will rip off my ears if I hear her cast again.
He's good for play-by-play. Wouldn't mind at all if he stays on for that role. He needs an Artosis or equivalent think-tank beside him though to lay down the analysis and facts. Some nerd jokes wouldn't hurt either. Him and Kelly together just makes the in-game casting very uninformative and uninteresting. Sure, it's kind of an unfair comparison as Artosis is the best at what he does, but something like TLO at IEM or Demuslim/Hasu at the Homestory cups. Basically, instead of Kelly, a high level player that knows his shit and isn't afraid to tell it like it is. That would be ideal.
So watching last nights matches, I actually enjoyed him and kelly together, sure they don't have the same flow that kelly and tasteless had together, but that will come. Although he doesn't seem to have the extreme game knowledge that artosis has his voice has a very nice flow to it and he seems to reasonably understand what he's saying. All in all it's probably to early to tell, but I think he'll turn out being pretty good.
Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves.
Once again people shouldn't be so quick to judge casters. This was his first day so it doesn't count anyway. Wait until he's done this a couple of times and then talk about his game knowledge or lack thereof and how good or bad he is compared to Kelly, Artosis or Tasteless.
To the people complaining about him emulating Tasteosis: Of course he does. So does Kelly. He's sitting there on his first day in front of cameras and a huge audience and he'll obviously stick to what he knows, what people know and what has proven to be a reliable way of casting. If he has a style of his own it'll show sooner or later once he doesn't need this crutch any longer. If he doesn't have a style of his own and indeed is just copying our beloved Archon then the community may judge and Gom could eventually react. Again, we'll see about that after he's done a few cast and made himself comfortable doing it.
And the inevitable comparison with Kelly: Well ... it's hard. The debate about Kelly has been quite a heated one for various reasons. I won't talk about casting skills in general because both are lacking compared to Tasteosis, and that comparison unfair for obvious reasons.Kelly's voice, however clearly loses to Doa's. I got used to Kelly after a few casts and didn't have that much of an issue with her pronounciation, but Doa's smooth voice once again made it obvious how difficult it is at times to follow Kelly.
On March 08 2011 03:54 vrok wrote: He's good for play-by-play. Wouldn't mind at all if he stays on for that role. He needs an Artosis or equivalent think-tank beside him though to lay down the analysis and facts. Some nerd jokes wouldn't hurt either. Him and Kelly together just makes the in-game casting very uninformative and uninteresting. Sure, it's kind of an unfair comparison as Artosis is the best at what he does, but something like TLO at IEM or Demuslim/Hasu at the Homestory cups. Basically, instead of Kelly, a high level player that knows his shit and isn't afraid to tell it like it is. That would be ideal.
going to have to agree with you there, neither him or kelly fill the role artosis gives in the GSL
On March 08 2011 03:46 PuercoPop wrote: Kelly is alright, I love her casting, but I really can't stand Doa. '3 times 150 minerals is ... I can't add 150 three times (not multiply) I come from a liberal arts major ...' Quick somebody gag him.
150+150+150 = 150*3
I didn't watch any of Doa's casts before today, but I think he's pretty good. Especially with Kelly, the two of them go really well together in my opinion. Kelly has a lot more game analysis knowledge than a lot of people realize, partly because that role was more left to Tasteless and Artosis when they would cast with her. Now with her and Doa together they should each be able to shine.
I'm impressed with how comfortable doa was for it being his first day of casting. I think doa and Kelly will get some good synergy given some time. I doubt they will be able to match Tastosis, but then again who can? ^^
On March 08 2011 04:00 StutteR wrote: Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves.
Last TLOpen during the break I told DJWheat I had a cold and couldn't remember the unit names and it was pissing me off. I felt like I couldn't talk properly. Mental state REALLY affects casting, I'd imagine any bit of nerves and fatigue would kill your casting.
I'd give him at least 2 weeks before making any judgements.
On March 08 2011 04:00 StutteR wrote: Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves.
It was a half joke
You wouldn't have noticed if Artosis had said it
Tastosis are just amazing, head and shoulders above all the others (impressive considering Wheat, Chill, Day9, etc) I sit there and actually laugh, which is rare, its beautiful and I hope it goes on forever, but they will just burn out unless they get a few extra commentators
Based on many casters I've heard, Kelly is great for a girl casting in a mans world (you don't see any female casters for the big men games, superbowl, rugby, football, etc) She is very enthusiastic and quite knowledgeable. However her accent/voice isn't the best, and honestly, no matter how hard they try, girls in computer games (AT THE MOMENT) are a distraction when 99.9% of gaming pop is male, same thing as having a single good looking girl in a poker game - nice to look at but ultimately distracting, and the guys turn into douches
This new guy is above average.. not instantly funny, but nice to listen to, has decent-ish knowledge, and has a good professional air about him which is v important.
On March 08 2011 04:00 StutteR wrote: Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves.
He was just making fun of himself? What the fuck is wrong with people these days just mute him and put on some music if it's that bad... People never do anything other than complain on teamliquid anymore.
He's certainly got a great voice and good at play by play, and fairly decent game knowledge. But I'm not sure if he's good enough to take the artosis-role, but I would definitally be fine with him taking over the tasteless-role... His solo casting seemed to be a lot better than today as well, so I'm sure he'll improve in gsl quite fast.
The combo with Kelly, however, did not work at all. I don't want to whine at Kelly, because she's doing better then I expected after the first couple of days, but I would love to see Doa+someone else, f ex moletrap. Hopefully when Doa gets more secure, he'll start to talk a bit more, and Kelly talk less... She was definitally helping him out today, but that resulted in her talking too much and a fairly poor cast all-together tbh.
These are not personal attacks or insults on either caster, just my opinion.
I thought Doa did really well. I thought he was very well spoken, he didnt studder often or get caught up on his sentences. His casting was very solid. He knew what he was talking about, seemed knowledgable, not as knowledgable as Artosis, but knowledgable. I think his problem, when compared against the casting Archon, is the chemistry of being put with some1 to cast with who you enjoy working with and mesh well with.
Again this is just my opinion, but Kelly is reason enough for me to mute the sound. Her english is very poor, her jokes are never funny, and she does not seem very insightful, whether she is or is not knowledgable, i can't tell. She leads them into a lot of awkward moments by ending conversations or back n forths instead of playing on them and giving open ended statements. She makes jokes and then cackles at them, but she is the only one laughing whereas the other caster just goes into a "this is awkward" moment.
In my opinion half of the casters last night did an excellent job.
On March 08 2011 03:46 PuercoPop wrote: Kelly has a lot more game analysis knowledge than a lot of people realize
After I heard "He is pulling drones of gas so he is going all-in" when guy was doing standard "pull-guys-off-gas-when-you-have-100-gas" I would argue with that statement.
Love that new caster - because I can actually understand what he says. It doesn't take much to be a decent caster.
On March 07 2011 23:57 Hrrrrm wrote: Just watched the first game of the night and was quite surprised at how well Erik did. I am one of those that immediately didn't like Kelly because of her voice/accent while speaking English. The only way I can describe it is that while I can understand her, I feel like I'm constantly decoding morse code. I just don't want to do that while I'm trying to relax and just watch some good games.
He didn't do too bad, I feel Artosis and Kelly have more chemistry, but it's hard to pin a strong opinion down on it with just one cast under his belt. I liked the Artosis homosexual joke
He could potentially be good, but I kinda feel he lacks character at this point.
On March 08 2011 03:46 PuercoPop wrote: Kelly has a lot more game analysis knowledge than a lot of people realize
After I heard "He is pulling drones of gas so he is going all-in" when guy was doing standard "pull-guys-off-gas-when-you-have-100-gas" I would argue with that statement.
I think the truth lies in the middle: She understands the fundamentals and the current state of the game, but her words often have little depth.
It took me a few rounds to get accustomed to Kelly's voice and when Erik popped in I actually found it hard to listen to him!
What this told me is that we're all just becoming familiar with certain voices and honestly, after a while Erik became easy to listen to as well to the point where I suddenly didn't mind these two whatsoever. I was much happier to hear two new people instead of splitting up Tastosis, which sounds wrong.
Tasteless and Artosis need to be together to cast and now we'll all become familiarized with Kelly and Erik and the world will be a beautiful place filled with GSL and NASL.
I was hoping Moletrap would be the new code A caster, but this is good enough. I wonder what the chemistry between this guy and Kellymilkies will be like. Hopefully they hit the sweet spot after about a week of casting.
On March 08 2011 04:15 Owii wrote: What happened to Moletrap? Wasn't he going to Korea to compete for a Code A casters chair? I still think he'd be ten times better than Kelly.
I find this quote to be most useful about Moletrap's situation: + Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2011 02:08 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: There's a new guy casting code A with Kelly now -- does Moletrap still have a chance? I was rooting for him...
Well. Currently the known information stands like this.
1) Kelly has said she's returning home on 17th March (see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196179 see 2:30 in the video). 2) doa is casting alongside Kelly currently in Code A 3) Moletrap has said that "next month" (from the 21st Feb) he is going to Korea for "2 to 3 weeks" for Code A casting selection. 4) Another GSL is due in April 5) March GSL started in February.
The implication is that moletrap will be in Korea when GSL April is happening.
You could guess that doa will be there and it might be a moletrap + doa dual cast for Code A with no Kellymilkies, beginning some time around the end of March.
Just because he didn't cast last night and there is no information about his status doesn't mean he's out of the picture. GOM is probably keeping quiet about his application in a similar fashion to how they kept quiet about Doa until the night before his cast. They probably don't want another Kellymilkies scandal to have enough time to blow out of proportion.
On March 08 2011 04:16 mnofstl007 wrote: Again this is just my opinion, but Kelly is reason enough for me to mute the sound. Her english is very poor, her jokes are never funny, and she does not seem very insightful, whether she is or is not knowledgable, i can't tell. She leads them into a lot of awkward moments by ending conversations or back n forths instead of playing on them and giving open ended statements. She makes jokes and then cackles at them, but she is the only one laughing whereas the other caster just goes into a "this is awkward" moment.
Kelly's English is really good. It's just not standard. As Singlish speakers go she's very clear and concise in her communication. Singlish isn't what we're used to hearing, but it's like saying an Australian has poor English because you don't understand his vernacularisms and his vowel intonation isn't the same as yours. People just speak different. If you grow up in Singapore, depending on who your friends are and where you are schooled, that's probably just the way you talk, and you can get just as verbose in vocabulary and verbal skill with that accent as with any other.
I thought he did an excellent first day, and you can surely see that he was already getting a good rhythm going by the end of the cast. Looking forward to more from him, and glad that Tastetosis is going to get a break so they can focus on really making Code S amazing (yeah, I'm going to be expecting more from you guys now so less "Umms" from Tasteless please!)
I think Tasteless getting to play the analyst was really good, it seems to have allowed him to sharpen up on his critical thinking as a player as well as establish some credentials for why he is alongside the all knowing Artosis.
DoA had amazing play by play. Not quite the same level as artosis and day9 but who is. Better than 90 percent of casters out there.
I feel like he has a lot of potential/sides to him that we have yet to discover though. Casting with Kelly and it being his debut , i got the impression he tried to play it safe and say less witty stuff and more the obvious standard stuff. Hopefully he will get the chance to cast with artosis/tasteless and we can see his potential unleashed as long as he is not "star-struck" I appreciated his attempts at humour and found them quite funny.
Good, bad, I don't know tbh. I can listen to him without any problems, so that's a great start. Even took me some time to love tastosis, so I'm gonna give Doa some time to grow. Not that he's really bad atm or anything.
Listening to the VoDs now, I feel he's doing a pretty good job. If he gets a little bit more comfortable and casts with someone else, I think he'll do great.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
[Edit: Tasteless] is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. [Edit: Tasteless] isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
I think he is alright but i think he needs to do more predicting instead of just stating what is already happening in the game. Or maybe state the significance of what is happening.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
I think you underestimate how good Artosis is as an analytical caster.
Your opinion is completely wrong (quite a feat for an opinion!).
On March 08 2011 04:00 StutteR wrote: Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves.
It was a half joke
You wouldn't have noticed if Artosis had said it
Tastosis are just amazing, head and shoulders above all the others (impressive considering Wheat, Chill, Day9, etc) I sit there and actually laugh, which is rare, its beautiful and I hope it goes on forever, but they will just burn out unless they get a few extra commentators
Based on many casters I've heard, Kelly is great for a girl casting in a mans world (you don't see any female casters for the big men games, superbowl, rugby, football, etc) She is very enthusiastic and quite knowledgeable. However her accent/voice isn't the best, and honestly, no matter how hard they try, girls in computer games (AT THE MOMENT) are a distraction when 99.9% of gaming pop is male, same thing as having a single good looking girl in a poker game - nice to look at but ultimately distracting, and the guys turn into douches
This new guy is above average.. not instantly funny, but nice to listen to, has decent-ish knowledge, and has a good professional air about him which is v important.
Not to take anything away from your points or this discussion, but I just wanted to point out that over 40% of gamers are female (check theesa). And from the latest Ksr fnd source I could find, boys still play three times as much videogames as girls when looking at amount of hours, but still, that means girls are playing 25%
As for Starcraft 2 specifically... probably a lot fewer girls. But my anecdotal evidence: I know two girls who play the game, and probably a couple dozen* guys who do... which is damn well over 90% male, but hell
Anyway, yeah, I think it's good as you said to have a girl in a boy's world. Just making the other sex more visible in this domain (or do I mean demesne?) would probably help to bring more females in, and I think it's good to bring more of any kind of people in
*Is that really how you spell dozen? Wow. I'm getting that feeling you sometimes get when you happened to have not written a specific word in a while, and then you write it and it is weiiiird
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
I'm sorry but the guy is extremely bland and does nothing but state the obvious all the time. He's like a vapid clone of Artosis with a bad sense of humour...
I'm really surprised that people are giving him such a warm welcome after the slaughter brought down upon Kelly. Kinda smells of sexism tbh :p
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms.
I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms.
I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more.
To be fair about the citadel thing, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out here (and I'm willing to bet anyone else who played years of brood war will say the same). They're not doing it to be edgy and old school, it's just been burned into our minds that protoss tech is stargate robo citadel and when it turns into stargate robo twilight council it's an easy mistake to make in the heat of a match.
On March 08 2011 04:50 Consolidate wrote: I think you underestimate how good Artosis is as an analytical caster.
Your opinion is completely wrong (quite a feat for an opinion!).
I agree with this, but after the team league, I needed a break from Artosis. He was screaming his head off in every match and tasteless couldn't even get in a word. Artosis was both the commentator and the caster towards the end there.
I <3 my toucan, though. He's chilled out.
That said, I'm five minutes into the GSL games from yesterday, and I think erik is going to do GREAT. He's got the calmer demeanor and doesn't really present himself like an irritating nerd. Great voice for the job, too.
On March 08 2011 04:16 mnofstl007 wrote: Here is my 2 cents,
These are not personal attacks or insults on either caster, just my opinion.
I thought Doa did really well. I thought he was very well spoken, he didnt studder often or get caught up on his sentences. His casting was very solid. He knew what he was talking about, seemed knowledgable, not as knowledgable as Artosis, but knowledgable. I think his problem, when compared against the casting Archon, is the chemistry of being put with some1 to cast with who you enjoy working with and mesh well with.
Again this is just my opinion, but Kelly is reason enough for me to mute the sound. Her english is very poor, her jokes are never funny, and she does not seem very insightful, whether she is or is not knowledgable, i can't tell. She leads them into a lot of awkward moments by ending conversations or back n forths instead of playing on them and giving open ended statements. She makes jokes and then cackles at them, but she is the only one laughing whereas the other caster just goes into a "this is awkward" moment.
In my opinion half of the casters last night did an excellent job.
The number of people who used this thread to criticize Kelly is unbelievable. This is about the new caster. If the chemistry is not there, how is it just Kelly's fault? It is just as much doa's responsibility. Your statement that "half of the casters last night did an excellent job" just reveals your thinly veiled attacks on Kelly.
I think he's a decent caster. Nothing to rave about but he has a very good voice and would work well with another decent caster. Problem is kelly just drags down who ever is sitting besides her. Good sports casters cover for each other (alla tastosis) even when the jokes are bad it can still be funny and entertaining if the casters are working with each other.
So yeah If Moletrap were to replace Kelly I think Gom could climb out of the hole they got themselves into casting wise.
Without comparing Doa to Tastosis I think he is an absolutely amazing caster and would hate it so much if he didn't stick around. While I don't approve of any of the kellymilkies hate I would rather that he had a co-caster that had a good accent for English at the very least until Kelly improves her speech in English.
Just curious though whatever happened to lilsussie? Her casts with Tasteless were HILARIOUS.
Question: Why are people voting that they have never heard of him. Why not find out who he is, listen to a cast or two and then come back and actually have a valid opinion on the guy and create discussion......
I watched a few of his youtube casts and thought he was doing a great job! Hopefully everything works out for him!
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms.
I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more.
To be fair about the citadel thing, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out here (and I'm willing to bet anyone else who played years of brood war will say the same). They're not doing it to be edgy and old school, it's just been burned into our minds that protoss tech is stargate robo citadel and when it turns into stargate robo twilight council it's an easy mistake to make in the heat of a match.
Tastosis have been doing this since the beginning of SC2. As has almost every other caster; Day9, Chill, and yes... even "doa" said hydralisk cavern at least once in the very few casts of his I watched.
On March 08 2011 04:59 Kickboxer wrote: I'm sorry but the guy is extremely bland and does nothing but state the obvious all the time. He's like a vapid clone of Artosis with a bad sense of humour...
I'm really surprised that people are giving him such a warm welcome after the slaughter brought down upon Kelly. Kinda smells of sexism tbh :p
Smells more like he has a very clear and easy casting voice that is better understood on the immediate listen.
But back to the point, after watching some of the VODs, I'd say DOA is like what TorcH would have brought to the casting gig, a nice voice, decent analysis, but he really lacks a good color commentator.
Artosis works in a weird way because he is kind of hilarious by himself or alongside Tasteless, I don't think DOA has that ability so the casts with Kelly today were good, but kind of boring except for the odd bits of mostly awkward humor (and not in the fake awkwardness of says the Tastosis bromance).
He speaks without a heavy nasal accent, and I can understand what he's saying. Obviously I'm going to support him over Kelly. Am I unforgiving towards women? No. Am I unforgiving towards heavily-accented English speakers in a professional, paid announcing situation? Yes.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
Of course every caster will make mistakes. But making them every other topic is a bit excessive. The guy is constantly messing up or cutting dan off while he is talking. He is not a good public speaker at all. It takes more than just knowing what the game is.
I thought Doa and Kelly were a much better mix than Tasteless and kelly. He actually really reminds me of tasteless, both in looks and voice. His humor was a little lacking, but hey it was his 4th day in korea and he probably got the jitters. His first cast was pretty good and Im looking forward to watching more of him. He really could have been better if Kelly was replaced imo..........
Honestly, give DoA some time. I know a lot of you might disagree but look how far Kelly has come in her short run. And not to be harsh on her, but I feel like DoA has way more room to improve since he isn't held back by a weird accent. I actually found his personality to jive better with Kelly moreso than Tastosis as well, so I think this group has some potential. Once DoA warms up a bit and gets comfortable, I honestly feel like he has a huge potential at the GSL. His sense of humor is very funny. You should check out some of his work with CatsPajamasSC.
On a thread about feedback for this caster why is one option "DIDN'T LISTEN LOL," what exactly does that contribute to? That a lot of people didn't watch last night's GSL? ok...
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
I think you underestimate how good Artosis is as an analytical caster.
Your opinion is completely wrong (quite a feat for an opinion!).
Yeah Artosis is fucking amazing at analysis, I love him and there is literally nothing he needs to improve on (other than templErs, gd it it's templARRRRRR!) because his analysis is so fucking high-level, deep, and CORRECT in every MU 99% of the time.
After listening to him last night, I can honestly say that he could be a average-good caster. The voice was there, the play-by-play style was there, but the chemistry was not.
One thing I noticed is he has *a lot* of Tasteless mannerisms. I don't know if that's him trying to adapt his casting or that's what he usually does.
A lot of people aren't hating on Kelly because she's a woman. I don't like Kelly, but I liked lilsusie. She doesn't have the voice that is appealing to many of the English watchers (and I understand her perfectly.) Most importantly, her chemistry between people is lacking. Tastosis constantly joke around when casting with her, only to be given back complete silence.
I hope they put doa and Tastosis together to see how they perform.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
Of course every caster will make mistakes. But making them every other topic is a bit excessive. The guy is constantly messing up or cutting dan off while he is talking. He is not a good public speaker at all. It takes more than just knowing what the game is.
What the hell are you even talking about? Making mistakes on every other topic? I don't hear Dan (who IS Artosis, btw) make many mistakes, and his biggest strength is his analysis, which nobody can rival. Sorry, making in-depth analysis of gameplay on the fly is a talent that isn't easily learned, or comes from casting experience. You either devote all of your time as a student of the game, or you don't. Unless Erik does that, his analysis isn't going to come close to Artosis'. I'm not an Artosis fanboy, but no one (as was explicitly shown in the WCG 2005 vid) loves the game more than him, and his analysis exemplifies that love. He's the analyst, not the caster.
Mixed bad for doa for me. Yes he speaks well and clearly, but his voice is pretty monotone and doesn't really change throughout the cast during exciting parts.
He needs to be drinking that coke on his desk to get sugar in his body to ramp up his energy and excitement level.
In terms of knowledge, he's on par with husky and HD, but both of them bring more energy and excitement to their casts. Hopefully he improves his energy level for future casts cause he sounds the same during the first minute of the game and the climax of the games.
On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote: I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S.
you don't care about game analysis?
don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis
Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
Of course every caster will make mistakes. But making them every other topic is a bit excessive. The guy is constantly messing up or cutting dan off while he is talking. He is not a good public speaker at all. It takes more than just knowing what the game is.
What the hell are you even talking about? Making mistakes on every other topic? I don't hear Dan (who IS Artosis, btw) make many mistakes, and his biggest strength is his analysis, which nobody can rival. Sorry, making in-depth analysis of gameplay on the fly is a talent that isn't easily learned, or comes from casting experience. You either devote all of your time as a student of the game, or you don't. Unless Erik does that, his analysis isn't going to come close to Artosis'. I'm not an Artosis fanboy, but no one (as was explicitly shown in the WCG 2005 vid) loves the game more than him, and his analysis exemplifies that love. He's the analyst, not the caster.
My bad, I mixed up their nick names. This was meant to about Tasteless not Artosis. I hate nick names.
I think Dan and Erik would make for a much better combo.
He dropped me a line last night saying he was too nervous to even venture into analysis (and who wouldn't be? it's the GSL!). He says he's working on it and, knowing him, he'll definitely take constructive criticism and work his ass off.
So can we agree on one thing? Doa could be an AMAZING caster if he spent a lot of time practicing his ass off on the KR ladder. If he gets to high diamond or even better he'll be good enough to be in the "casting pantheon", a commentator/caster that everyone basically thinks is very very good and can attract people to events with his mere presence.
I like him right now. Just making a suggestion if he wants to go above and beyond the call of duty.
On March 08 2011 05:59 Turgid wrote: So can we agree on one thing? Doa could be an AMAZING caster if he spent a lot of time practicing his ass off on the KR ladder. If he gets to high diamond or even better he'll be good enough to be in the "casting pantheon", a commentator/caster that everyone basically thinks is very very good and can attract people to events with his mere presence.
I like him right now. Just making a suggestion if he wants to go above and beyond the call of duty.
He actually is right now (I don't know his KR account off hand). And he's got this cool month inbetween GSL's that he said he's going to take advantage of and ladder a ton.
On March 08 2011 05:42 Vei wrote:Yeah Artosis is fucking amazing at analysis, I love him and there is literally nothing he needs to improve on (other than templErs, gd it it's templARRRRRR!) because his analysis is so fucking high-level, deep, and CORRECT in every MU 99% of the time.
I've heard TemplAr in movies and such when it refers to a Templar caste or whatnot. Still works in SC so that one doesn't annoy me. His Zeelots and Eyedras annoy me though. I guess that's part of why I prefer Day9.
As for Doa, he was alright. Can't really complain, particularly since it was his first time on...
Hadn't heard of this guy before, but after watching a cast or two of his, there is a lot of quality there. Great voice, calm style very entertaining. May not have the knowledge that some pro-gamer casters have, but then again, most pro-gamer casters don't speak half as well as this guy.
Hadn't heard this fellow before, but from the vod's posted he ought to do alright. Voice is fine at least, now it's a matter of is he fact or funny or both? All the best to him.
I don't know if it was because he was casting with Kelly, something they haven't done before, but it was kind of boring to listen to the games he casted. No jokes or intereseting tid-bits given, really.
That, more than likely, will come with time and the development of the relationships to his co-casters, as Tasteless and Artosis have been together for so long.
Never heard this guy till last night. Gotta say, was pleasently surprised. Unlike the kelly trainwreck. Now we just gotta get someone to replace her (lil'susie anyone?)
i agree with most of the comments regarding his calm voice. but i think he does need some casting training from Tastosis. Putting 2 rookies together so early isn't the best idea. I think they should've gotten Artosis to train up Kelly abit more before they find a new guy. Now Kelly might not improve as fast without the Casting Archon by her side.
On March 08 2011 05:59 Turgid wrote: So can we agree on one thing? Doa could be an AMAZING caster if he spent a lot of time practicing his ass off on the KR ladder. If he gets to high diamond or even better he'll be good enough to be in the "casting pantheon", a commentator/caster that everyone basically thinks is very very good and can attract people to events with his mere presence.
I like him right now. Just making a suggestion if he wants to go above and beyond the call of duty.
He actually is right now (I don't know his KR account off hand). And he's got this cool month inbetween GSL's that he said he's going to take advantage of and ladder a ton.
That's awesome, glad to hear it. Maybe he can convince Artosis or the Liquid guys to give him tips.
Very good caster based off just the first day. I had an impression Kelly had an elitist attitude towards him since he was new, which is too bad because his game knowledge is leaps and bounds ahead of hers.
Remember it was the first time apperance. I think he did rly great and it was good that he diden't try to analysis too much as it was his first time commentating GSL. He was probably nervous and when he overcomes that he can start to take more space, show his personality and start to analysis more!
On March 08 2011 07:43 TheRPGAddict wrote: Very good caster based off just the first day. I had an impression Kelly had an elitist attitude towards him since he was new, which is too bad because his game knowledge is leaps and bounds ahead of hers.
I totally agree to this, I felt like it was this way too. (BTW, anyone that has played HoN that can read Leaps and bounds ahead w/o valk voice? T_T)
i was really impressed, after not hearing about this guy before i thought he did really well, especially concidering this is his first big casting gig. Now he just needs a good co-caster.
Oh wow, what an excellent voice and perfect annunciation. I like him already ^^ He has fun with the commentary and doesn't speed up too much and start eating words. Great choice by Gom! The only thing I would like is an occasional second break between sentences. (EDIT: But then again, I only listened to a solo-cast, with a co-caster this won't be an issue. Also, him casting with Kelly I imagine will only serve as a foil and make her English sound worse <__< )
Doa is a good caster. Nice voice, hoping he will loosen up a bit in the Future (not that i blame him for being a bit stiff, getting more comfortable comes naturally over time.)
However im hoping that Artosis and Tasteless are required to watch the code A matches just so the know stuff about the incoming players. To this day, Artosis still thinks that Kyrix cheesed Ace out GSL2 Ro32. When really it was drawn out macro game, with Kyrix containing Ace one 2 base then rolling him over with 5. (tastosis were at blizzcon during that point in gsl)
He's so nice to listen to, good casting voice and seems to be a pretty chill guy. After the season is over and Kelly is replaced by Moletrap or somebody else Code A should be just fine and dandy.
On March 08 2011 08:22 EzCheeze wrote: He seems good, but is he good enough to carry Kelly?
not for me
great voice, he seems to know enough about the game and probably be more comfortable with time and show some more enthusiasm
but still kellys there so its code A with music, code S with awesomeness sponsored by testosis
The positive thing is, his weaknesses are something he can easily work on(excitement/knowledge). Kelly is just not as lucky(which sucks, I don't have anything against her personally) as for her to improve in my mind, she needs to take a few years with someone to 'fix' her accent(and hopefully in the way, make her voice less annoying). Hence I don't really think anyone can 'carry kelly', even with artosis she's been driving me nuts.
So yeah, Doa has huge potential, hope everything goes well for him
On March 08 2011 08:15 Cyanocyst wrote: Doa is a good caster. Nice voice, hoping he will loosen up a bit in the Future (not that i blame him for being a bit stiff, getting more comfortable comes naturally over time.)
However im hoping that Artosis and Tasteless are required to watch the code A matches just so the know stuff about the incoming players. To this day, Artosis still thinks that Kyrix cheesed Ace out GSL2 Ro32. When really it was drawn out macro game, with Kyrix containing Ace one 2 base then rolling him over with 5. (tastosis were at blizzcon during that point in gsl)
It's possible he's mixing that series up with Hongun's where Kyrix did some big roach all-ins, IIRC.
Man, I just watched the first game and I have to admit that DoA is doing a great job! He and Kelly already seemed to gel a lot, probably more than TasteKelly or Kelltosis. A little more experience for Doa and he'll be great. Like I said, him and Kelly just seem kinda natural around each other. I think Kelly was kinda nervous around Tasteless or Artosis for some reason, maybe because she knew they had way more experience and she didn't want to talk as much or something? But they are definitely doing well and I approve.
I like the new guy. I feel like he works better with Kelly than the split up Archon does. Which makes sense, you don't wanna split up two hetero life partners like that.
I'm more than content with the current state of GSL commentary.
Doa seems alright. His first day went pretty decently; he was a little stiff and he and Kelly are still getting used to it. I'm hoping the two of them will improve with time.
That said, at the moment it feels a little rough without either Tasteless or Artosis commentating because both of them know so much about the game and have a lot of really insightful things to say, and you can really feel their excitement whenever anything unusual happens. Kelly only occasionally has a few good predictions and her strategic commentary feels like common knowledge. Doa hasn't so far shown the same depth of knowledge that Tastosis have either, but he has only been casting GSL for one day, so he may find his groove.
But it takes a special kind of person to point out stuff like why Zergs don't steal the second gas in ZvP anymore. We're lucky we've had Tastosis for so long already.
Him + Kelly make an awesome combo, I love there being different casters for Code A and Code S.
Tastosis for Code S and Kelly/Doa for Code A. Awesomeness.
I just hope that each casting archon keeps in touch with the alternate division (Tastosis watching Code A games and Kelly/Doa watching Code S games) so that they are well informed about new players coming into the division that they cast via up/down matches.
When I heard both Kelly and Erik say that void rays are bad in TvP I got really turned off. Kelly has made countless wrong statements that I would have expected from Husky or TB but not from a gomtv caster, and it looks like Erik won't be much better. No offense to Kelly or Erik, but I can't believe gomtv is letting people with such poor game knowledge take over casting.
I was at least fine with Kelly casting with one half of the archon, but now that neither Tasteless nor Artosis will be helping out in Code A, I can't really get too excited about watching it.
Never heard of him. Just listened to some of his casts and I really like him. Great talking voice as others have said, hope he does well and him and hopefully moletrap just get rid of kelly all together.
On March 08 2011 10:14 purecarnagge wrote: tasteless is like a 3.0. Eric guy is like a 2.5 Kelly is a 2. and Artosis/Greg are 5.0.
More like Tasteless is a 10 and Artosis is a 8. We all know we watch the GSL for the puns and hilarious statements. Didn't like greg too much because he was all too serious the entire time.
I'm watching gomtv VODs. Good voice, don't talk too much, not too little. OTH there's that other caster talking as well so I don't know how long I'll endure watching this. But so far so good, mr blonde superaryan!
I heard them say tastosis are casting up-and-down. Praise Jesus.
Hopefully with the addition of this (just fine and dandy) new caster, GOM will realize TL isn't just railing against change from Tasteosis. The majority of us have a legitimate problem with another caster.
I must say im really impressed, kelly seemed to try to adopt some tastosis flare but this doa guy is being himself which i love. definitly liked that dou and look forward to it.
This is hugely relevant to the caster decision. It's John's Q&A about Code A Casters.
So the rumors that Kelly will be leaving after this season might be true in a sense, but she probably is not fired as of yet. I'm going to guess that moletrap or some other individuals are also going to be sent to 'test out'.
On March 08 2011 14:45 Arccotangent wrote: Not sure if this has been addressed already, but with Tastosis doing Code S and new casters for Code A, who will cast the Up/Down matches?
Tastosis will be I believe, Kelly said they would last night.
Personally, this new caster seems good at first. His voice is great to listen to. But IMO seeing him cast for the first time, I got the sense that he didn't know that much about the game. This might just be due to the fact that Kelly was assigned to be the analytical caster and he was just 'play by play', but I never heard him say any analytical statement about the game that wasn't blatantly obvious. Somehow, I got the feeling that his game understanding is not that in-depth..... yet. I hope he proves me wrong during the next days of Code A!
For me, I can tolerate the voice quality (or even the accent- even though this doesn't bother me at all right now) just as long as the casters are informative and offer good analysis of the game. What really annoys me is when they just always state the obvious and offer no analysis whatsoever. Just my 2 cents...
I think he did very well on his first day casting GSL. We can't really understand how it feels to be put in front of a camera during a global broadcast. Considering the pressure + nerves he did a great job and it should only improve from here. I really wonder what GOM has planned for future GSLs. I suppose Tastosis will have dibs indefinitely on Code-S but we'll have to wait and see how and if they cycle casters for Code-A casting.
This is hugely relevant to the caster decision. It's John's Q&A about Code A Casters.
So the rumors that Kelly will be leaving after this season might be true in a sense, but she probably is not fired as of yet. I'm going to guess that moletrap or some other individuals are also going to be sent to 'test out'.
I don't think GOM will ever fire Kelly, even with so many people on forums flaming her (most of which are way too harsh).
I think Kelly was only going to cast one season anyways. She said in an earlier interview that she was only going to cast in March, and I have a feeling that GOM's decision to have her temporarily on board for the Code A casts was due to most of the other applicants not being able to be in Korea during this Code A tournament.
Moletrap said that he was going to be in Korea for a few weeks starting some time in March, so I wouldn't be surprised if he randomly showed up one day to cast Code A, to the delight of many fans.
My first impressions were not necessarily great, but I do understand that I should take the first impression with a grain of salt. I initially didn't like Kelly but she has warmed up to me quite a bit, just by giving her a chance.
I just worry about his game knowledge. I felt like Doa + Kelly was very light on the analysis, and although I knew what was going on in the game at that moment, there wasn't a ton of insight as to motivation or what I should be expecting.
I'll certainly continue tuning in though. Keeping an open mind. His voice is definitely great.
Doa' Bio wrote: He earned the nickname “Marine King” from his friends for his amazing control. Just kidding. His real nickname was “Baneling’s Friend”.
Its weird. I never had problems with Kelly's accent but to me Both of them together kind of balance each other out. DoA has a very standard "American 70's baseball announcer voice" where Kelly has a think Australlian Accent
On March 09 2011 11:42 BetterFasterStronger wrote: Its weird. I never had problems with Kelly's accent but to me Both of them together kind of balance each other out. DoA has a very standard "American 70's baseball announcer voice" where Kelly has a think Australlian Accent
Interesting Balance in my opinion.
You've clearly never heard an Australian accent before.
But I have to say the new guy has an amazing voice for the job, and for what part I saw he seemed like a natural. Originally I couldn't imagine liking any other casters as much as Tastosis, but I'm quite keen to see how this works out now.
He has qualities of a decent play-by-play caster. I think he will form a pretty good pair with a good analyst. I hope GOMtv replaces Kelly with someone else after this GSL as she is just not an appropriate fit for this job. I found myself straining my ears to understand what she's saying oftentimes and while that's fine in everyday life, she is supposed to be a professional English caster. She may or may not actually have good understanding of the game, but her lack of good enunciation is holding her back.
Good voice and quite funny. Needs a better co-caster though, Kelly keeps letting his jokes fall flat or talks over him before hes done. Game knowledge seems to be lacking though but that can be gained by playing more and just having more experience I guess.
On March 09 2011 19:16 ondik wrote: is it just me or Kelly's not "cooperating" with him, or at least much less than with artosis/tasteless?
otherwise I like him and looking forward to hearing him cast with someone else.
Yeah, I also got this feeling. But who can blame her, He seem like a competitor to her. When He ask something to her she just ignore it, for example the Nuke question of if the TLO vs OGSHyperdub and she just ignore him and talk about something in game, definitely need to work on their synergy.
then again maybe i can. it's like a really gross and/or gory scene that u know is about to happen but u just can't help but keep watching even though you know you are gunna cringe
On March 09 2011 19:27 Rekrul wrote: okay i gave this new caster a chance.
who hired this guy?
0 game knowlege, awkward jokes
can't watch code-a anymore
then again maybe i can. it's like a really gross and/or gory scene that u know is about to happen but u just can't help but keep watching even though you know you don't want to see it.
i now really appreciate kelly
Its ridiculus how little gameknowlege they both have. Watching tastosis is like watching einstein compared to this.
It saddens me I can't watch sc2 without entertaining casters, I think both kelly and doa do a great job but they don't have that little spark of entusiasm that makes you thrilled, nor the game knowledge that makes you go "aha!".
I watched leenock vs. losira because I like the players and their styles, but I turned off the stream after that because I needed a break from their voices :p I think at least I'm truly spoiled with tastosis.
anyway I think losira got the finals easy, he looks ridiculously strong
dunno about the new casters - they're "ok", nothing bad to say.. but tastosis, the casting archon, is just pure entertainment.
Besides Day[9] there is no one, who is so much "into" the game, enjoying it and really showing how enthusiastic they are about the game, but this is only my personal opinion.
Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week. But yea like I said, no idea if they have anything else to do besides casting or even another job. That would actually be something I would love to see - a video about Artosis and/or Tasteless life in Korea, maybe also some behind-the-scene videos of a GSL-Gameday.
When you are not someone like Artosis--who has great grasp of the game and a lot of Pro-gaming experience, i think you should not be condescending to the people playing.
Maybe it is just me, I've never had a problem with Kelly (or Doa for that matter), but when she said "jeeze! just make obsevers, they are so cheap!" (paraphrasing ofc), when Alicia built 5 observers that game, 3 of which were made when the Support bay was done delaying his Colossus quite a bit, it kind of irked me...
Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week.
It requires their 100% attention all the time, no "normal" 40h/week job requires that. Also it stresses your vocal cords a lot, and they were sick a lot because of it. So I perfectly understand their concern about this.
Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week.
It requires their 100% attention all the time, no "normal" 40h/week job requires that. Also it stresses your vocal cords a lot, and they were sick a lot because of it. So I perfectly understand their concern about this.
sorry, but they have breaks between games...
it's not that hard imo to cast for 4 hours a day (but most of the time they didn't cast for so long in the past).
it maybe is boring to cast for so long every day but normal jobs aren't always interesting to do either, you still got to do them if you want to keep your job.
also I highly doubt that they got sick cos' of speaking/sometimes yelling while casting... cmon... then every singer in a band would be sick after the first few dates on a tour. they got sick cos' of not taking care of themselves properly.
tastosis at their worst > better than any other casters
Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week.
It requires their 100% attention all the time, no "normal" 40h/week job requires that. Also it stresses your vocal cords a lot, and they were sick a lot because of it. So I perfectly understand their concern about this.
sorry, but they have breaks between games...
it's not that hard imo to cast for 4 hours a day (but most of the time they didn't cast for so long in the past).
it maybe is boring to cast for so long every day but normal jobs aren't always interesting to do either, you still got to do them if you want to keep your job.
also I highly doubt that they got sick cos' of speaking/sometimes yelling while casting... cmon... then every singer in a band would be sick after the first few dates on a tour. they got sick cos' of not taking care of themselves properly.
tastosis at their worst > better than any other casters
They cast for several hours and i'm pretty sure that preparations before and after each cast takes a while. Artosis even said that he didn't get home until really late most of the time.
People really need to give other casters a chance. You can't expect D9/Tastosis to comment every single competitive match out there cause they will either burn out and quit or loose the "spark".
Edit: I also believe that if Doa works on his "youtubeish" commentary style and lets loose a bit we will have a awesome code A caster. My dream would be Doa + Torch, but it'll probably never happen.
The games I've seen from Doa have all been good, I'm sure that once he gets a few more hours in the Gom chair he'll be a great caster.
It's unfair to expect Kelly and Doa to click as good as Tastetosis straight of the bat. Remember those guys have known each other for years and has been casting together for a long time. It takes time to gel, I'm sure Kelly and Doa (or Doa + whomever) will get there eventually.
I don't like the new caster. He's what you would ,politically correctly, call a nice guy, but other than that he has nothing, no enthusiasm, no character.
He makes me sad.
The aberration archon, artosis+tastless+kelly provided much more entertainment and seemed to be the right choice regarding casting time, each having 2 days+ 1 off thanks to the GSL code A -code S schedule.
I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more.
On March 09 2011 21:10 Bagi wrote: I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more.
Wow, that weird! You mean that Kelly + one of the guys who more or less define SC2 casting is better than Kelly + new guy who's been in korea for less than a week.
Christ, give it some time. It was the exact same deal with the observer. People overexaggerate and whine when something new is introduced, often without giving it more than a day or two. Change is scary and it might be a bumpy ride at first, but at least give it a try.
Oh boy , Kelly's clarity is bad enough let alone this guy... he has no personality, its really making me cringe . I tune in to watch artosis/tasteless because they are simply hilarious. Code A is currently in my opinion as blunt as it sounds ... STALE!
now i'm sad that i actually found doa kinda funny sometimes since no one else does :\. i think he's great, but kelly's just not a good pairing with him. i think if we saw a doa + artosis or tasteless pairing, it'd be awesome.
yeah he seems like a nice guy, but he like many other said not much personality, enthusiasm and exciting.
today alicia vs. supernova, was very poorly commentated, they were talking why alicia lost on crossfire and it was cleary because his macro slipped, he had over 2k minerals, because of his hidden expansion but lost to the push were his nexus died because he just had bad macro and to few buildings/units... and the commentary duo was talking about micro and positioning and stuff like this... very poorly for a caster who should have a good overview over a game..
doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
I can't seem to trust his knowledge either. And it would be nice if doa expanded his vocabulary too since he often use repetitive phrases/words. "hugely bad."
And I agree that casters need some sort of chemistry between other casters.
With Kelly, it seems he is being pushed around a lot. Kelly indirectly becomes aggressive to take the spotlight for some reason, even talking down doa on some of his useless comments which makes no sense. Obviously you're not going to have good chemistry if your partner is out to kill you.
The part i don't understand is , have you guys ever heard a radio announcer who has no clarity ? The answer is no. You want someone who has clear pronunciation , a warm tone to there voice and you can bloody understand what there saying lol. You know who I'm referring to. Jesus , can u imagine the news being read in engrish
On March 09 2011 19:51 Myrtroll wrote: Kelly seems bored and uninterested a lot lately. Not helping him really.
But yes, he seems very "clean", so they should either get someone more knowledgeable for him, or someone more enthusiastic.
To me, it seems like she was excited to be casting with Tasteless/Artosis and they were very friendly/helpful. Now she's with this new guy, feels like she should maybe step it up but she's just coming short. Maybe she'll have a breakthrough soon.
I think the new guy is alright, his casting is decent but I feel like they're both just really not familiar with strategies involved. They're just not familiar with any build but generic common ones (tank/rine, 4 gate, etc) and the explanation they give for why player x is making unit y is typically wrong. I kind of keep flip-flopping with Kelly. Some nights she just drives me nuts and some nights I have some serious faith in her. But in the end, I feel like neither caster really has anything that sets them apart from some random on YouTube.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Suxces wrote: yeah he seems like a nice guy, but he like many other said not much personality, enthusiasm and exciting.
today alicia vs. supernova, was very poorly commentated, they were talking why alicia lost on crossfire and it was cleary because his macro slipped, he had over 2k minerals, because of his hidden expansion but lost to the push were his nexus died because he just had bad macro and to few buildings/units... and the commentary duo was talking about micro and positioning and stuff like this... very poorly for a caster who should have a good overview over a game..
They were talking about the early chargelot attack in the main. Alicias micro was bad, he could have done alot more economical damage by splitting troops to kill more SCV's but he "conga lined" his zealots and most SCV's were micro'ed away safely.
On March 09 2011 21:10 Bagi wrote: I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more.
Wow, that weird! You mean that Kelly + one of the guys who more or less define SC2 casting is better than Kelly + new guy who's been in korea for less than a week.
Christ, give it some time. It was the exact same deal with the observer. People overexaggerate and whine when something new is introduced, often without giving it more than a day or two. Change is scary and it might be a bumpy ride at first, but at least give it a try.
God forbid someone expresses their opinion on a message board.
I had 0 problems with the observer change, but I don't see an exciting future for this casting combo at all. Maybe with different co-casters, but this current combo isn't doing it for me.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote: doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed.
If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
Kelly is sabotaging the whole operation. Every time he says something she either disregards it. makes a face, or calls him on it. His skin seems a little soft for someone who is displaying their work in front of a massive crowd. But what is the point for that DURING the commentating? If she has a problem with what he has to offer it would be a better idea to work on it AFTER the event. Unless she wants the event to be a fist fight. He needs to G check her a few times and she will learn relatively quick. I some what pitied her when she was getting shit from everyone because legitimately she has enough game knowledge to be a commentator. Now she keeps stepping on his toes. He will never get comfortable until either she changes or he flattens her right on the set. I'm hoping for number 2 personally.
On March 09 2011 21:10 Bagi wrote: I have to agree with the notions that the casting is just boring now.
I actually liked it (after the early struggles) when it was Kelly/Tasteless or Kelly/Artosis, because it still kept that GSL feeling and I thought all three all had great chemistry with each other. We even got to see gems like "now you know how Grack Fields".
With this new guy... I don't have fun watching any more.
Wow, that weird! You mean that Kelly + one of the guys who more or less define SC2 casting is better than Kelly + new guy who's been in korea for less than a week.
Christ, give it some time. It was the exact same deal with the observer. People overexaggerate and whine when something new is introduced, often without giving it more than a day or two. Change is scary and it might be a bumpy ride at first, but at least give it a try.
God forbid someone expresses their opinion on a message board.
I had 0 problems with the observer change, but I don't see an exciting future for this casting combo at all. Maybe with different co-casters, but this current combo isn't doing it for me.
The combo might not be ideal, but it's only been a couple of casts so far. I'd rather see Moletrap or Torch instead of Kelly. Maybe i overreacted to your post but i get pissed by all the people that cry over any caster that's not D9/Tastosis.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Suxces wrote: yeah he seems like a nice guy, but he like many other said not much personality, enthusiasm and exciting.
today alicia vs. supernova, was very poorly commentated, they were talking why alicia lost on crossfire and it was cleary because his macro slipped, he had over 2k minerals, because of his hidden expansion but lost to the push were his nexus died because he just had bad macro and to few buildings/units... and the commentary duo was talking about micro and positioning and stuff like this... very poorly for a caster who should have a good overview over a game..
They were talking about the early chargelot attack in the main. Alicias micro was bad, he could have done alot more economical damage by splitting troops to kill more SCV's but he "conga lined" his zealots and most SCV's were micro'ed away safely.
yeah but i wasn't reffering to that, at the end they were talking why he lost and stuff
I personally enjoyed DoA debut in the GSL and im expecting him to evolve as a caster in the following weeks / months. Im sure that he'll be able to sound more excited and help on providing some game dynamic to the viewers as soon as he feels confortable with the casting live on the studio.
Its only his first week, so lets wait and see. Peace.
er...i was watching the a game when huk cannon rushed - a pylon and 3 cannons... and by paraphrase, he said something along the lines of "well he spent umm...hmm...so that's 100 plus 3 times...150...i don't know" and at this point kelly jumped in and said it cost 550 minerals, adding in that asians were good at math. either 1. he got nervous in his casting and will be better in the future (this i hope), 2. doesn't know much about starcraft, or 3. is ...umm...dimmer than the average light bulb. im pretty sure it was just nerves. but i got worried hearing this D:
On March 09 2011 22:30 greentea wrote: er...i was watching the a game when huk cannon rushed - a pylon and 3 cannons... and by paraphrase, he said something along the lines of "well he spent umm...hmm...so that's 100 plus 3 times...150...i don't know" and at this point kelly jumped in and said it cost 550 minerals, adding in that asians were good at math. either 1. he got nervous in his casting and will be better in the future (this i hope), 2. doesn't know much about starcraft, or 3. is ...umm...dimmer than the average light bulb. im pretty sure it was just nerves. but i got worried hearing this D:
Eeet was a joke.
He could be better or worse, I just wish he'd shut up about the apm.
On March 09 2011 21:27 karpo wrote: Kelly seems to be shutting Doa down a bit. He tries for some decent jokes but she either interrupts or goes for game analysis, leaving him hanging.
This! makes me sad I'm slowly beginning to join the kelly hater camp duh...
Kelly and Doa are competing for a job. It's understandable that they'd feel (and express) a bit of tension.
My personal opinion is that both have their strengths and weaknesses but that they're doing OK so far. I'm going to wait until I've seen all the prospective commentators to cast my lot.
Also I can't understand the argumentation that Tasteless and Artosis also need days off. I don't know if they have a job down there besides casting for GomTV, but seriously if they "only" cast Code S AND Code A, it's not that hard compared to other jobs, in which you gotta work 40h/week.
It requires their 100% attention all the time, no "normal" 40h/week job requires that. Also it stresses your vocal cords a lot, and they were sick a lot because of it. So I perfectly understand their concern about this.
also I highly doubt that they got sick cos' of speaking/sometimes yelling while casting... cmon... then every singer in a band would be sick after the first few dates on a tour.
If a band is doing long gigs in rapid succession, yeah, a singer in a band does have voice issues without a great deal of care.
Kelly is so obviously aggressive with him =( I felt bad for the guy, he took the hits very well tho, he was nice with her despite the obvious passive-aggresions. Be patient and keep up the good work DoA =) You'll remain and she'll be gone for good.
Bad strat from Kelly, if I wasn't sure before, now I am, I can't stand her.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote: doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
I can't seem to trust his knowledge either. And it would be nice if doa expanded his vocabulary too since he often use repetitive phrases/words. "hugely bad."
And I agree that casters need some sort of chemistry between other casters.
With Kelly, it seems he is being pushed around a lot. Kelly indirectly becomes aggressive to take the spotlight for some reason, even talking down doa on some of his useless comments which makes no sense. Obviously you're not going to have good chemistry if your partner is out to kill you.
I did not watch the show, but I would like to know how she talked down some of his commentaries. What did he say and how did she reply?
On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote: doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed.
If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it. The alternative is a subscription fee, once again, which fans pay. GSL is a niche tournament. And your radio analogy doesn't make sense seeing as this isn't broadcast on the radio.
People need to stop acting like these high-level tournaments are being watched by random people. They're not. This isn't some sport being broadcast on NBC with all kinds of people flipping to it; it's online at specific URLs that only SC2 fans would know.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote: doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed.
If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft.
Yes, but that's a bad thing. E-sports have to be generally accessible to get people into it.
On March 09 2011 21:53 inamorato wrote: Kelly is sabotaging the whole operation. Every time he says something she either disregards it. makes a face, or calls him on it. His skin seems a little soft for someone who is displaying their work in front of a massive crowd. But what is the point for that DURING the commentating? If she has a problem with what he has to offer it would be a better idea to work on it AFTER the event. Unless she wants the event to be a fist fight. He needs to G check her a few times and she will learn relatively quick. I some what pitied her when she was getting shit from everyone because legitimately she has enough game knowledge to be a commentator. Now she keeps stepping on his toes. He will never get comfortable until either she changes or he flattens her right on the set. I'm hoping for number 2 personally.
Ya her true colors are coming out. This is why I was against her the whole time. I encountered her in an IRC channel for a few weeks back around launch and wasn't impressed with her at all as a person. She's nice to people as long as they have something to offer her and when they outlive their usefulness, they are discarded (something I observed happening, didn't happen to me). She seemed nice with Tasteless and Artosis because she realized she needed them to like her for her to stick. As opposed to Doa who is essentially her competitor at this point. But I don't think she realizes that by going all passive-aggressive and trying to freeze him out, she's essentially shooting herself in the foot. A professional caster should do their best to make their partner look better, not worse.
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with this entirely. I watch the GSL as a fan. Not to have a 3 hour lecture on why a gate on 12 is inherently better than a gate on 13, or whatever. I watch to be excited. It's a spectator sport. And all of my friends that watch with me aren't nearly as involved in the SC2 community as I am, and they also watch it as a spectator sport.
Analysis is very important, but to say play by play has no place is just wrong.
I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit. Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote: I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit. Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
Kelly is not a bad caster. Does she mix up Rs and Ls? Yes. Is what she says wrong? No. People need to take a step back and realize that she's commentating on an incredibly complex and fast paced game in a second language, and she's fucking insightful. It's a problem of pronunciation, not content, and is easy to ignore if you just choose to.
And I don't think she was "shutting down" or "bashing" the new guy at all. DoA just didn't have very good commentary; "oh this is hugely bad for player x" when someone was losing their whole fucking main. A lot of his comments were jokes about coca cola or how banelings look like lightbulbs. They were bad jokes. Does this make him bad? I don't think so, I think he's just nervous. Give him some time, and less jokes, and he can improve.
I can only pass judgment based on their commentaries, and Kelly is the better caster; she has more knowledge of the game and insight in matches. If she hadn't been present I would have turned the stream off.
Hard to say, it's been touched on in this thread a bit but I'll expand as best I can. Where I thought Kelly was at her best when paired with Artosis, I feel like this paring is so bad. It's possible I will like Doa when he is paired with somebody else, together they just don't work. I'm exited to see him with the other new guy the just brought in to see how they work together he does have potential.
The pairing with Kelly feels so bland, I really liked the Kelly/Artosis combo where there was actual game analysis and explanations... I mean they're both doing play-by-play; and not very good at that. Alicia lost ALL his probes to a Banshee, you'd think one of them would spot that. When they finally do, it's like, "oh, he lost his probes". Artosis would've been going insane at that point.
On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote: I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit. Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff.
That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment.
On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote: I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit. Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff.
That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment.
To be fair, they don't control the screen motion, only commentate on it.
On March 09 2011 21:27 Lokian wrote: doa is comprehensible and a little passive. I sometimes feel his play-by-play is unnecessary. I don't know how it really works but saying obvious play-by-play is a little annoying. Maybe new people watching starcraft will find it helpful, but do we really have anyone who doesn't know the game to that extent watch GSL?
Actually play by play is important for people not keeping their eye on the game. It's why radio aired sports is still being done today and it's a role that can't be sacrificed.
If you want this esport to reach the masses you better allow them to understand the action even when they are doing their job or daily tasks.
But GSL isn't for the general masses, it's for people who already know Starcraft. GSL is at terrible times so only fans stay up to watch it. The alternative is a subscription fee, once again, which fans pay. GSL is a niche tournament. And your radio analogy doesn't make sense seeing as this isn't broadcast on the radio.
People need to stop acting like these high-level tournaments are being watched by random people. They're not. This isn't some sport being broadcast on NBC with all kinds of people flipping to it; it's online at specific URLs that only SC2 fans would know.
You are mostly correct that the viewers aren't random people. But if subscriptions are continually on the rise it becomes increasingly doubtful newcomers are actually people who play SC2 because most of us would've front loaded the total viewership earlier on in the GSL's history.
The most important thing to take away from my point about radio is that people experience GSL by just listening to it while doing other tasks. I myself take the time to watch most games but on the rare occasion I have to do more multitasking like chores around the home.
If my job didn't have bandwidth issues I would consider sneaking in listening to GSL casts as well; but I don't have that luxury, yet I'm positive many others do.
On March 10 2011 05:01 NexaS wrote: I've only seen/heard him cast GSL, but I think he's doing okay so far. Some of the stuff he says is pretty nerdy and awkward, but it's forgivable. I think he'll get a lot better once he settles in a bit. Being on TV must be nerve-wrecking.
Slowverlord? Colloawsome? THOSE ARE GOLD. I'd totally nerd high-five (not Artosis high-five) him if I were there.
I think doa is pretty damn good - will have to say in the camera shots i don't whether it's just how he is or whether he's doing it sub-conciously but he is ALOT like tasteless in the shots with all of his mannerisms and stuff.
That and the fact they miss pretty huge things like Alicia losing two lines of probes then just kinda shrug it off as an eh moment.
To be fair, they don't control the screen motion, only commentate on it.
Was fairly certain that doa had the mouse+kb as Artosis usually does?
Watching today's games, I think doa needs to work on his enthusiasm level a bit. Tasteless brings a ton of energy to the games. Doa just seems to plug along kind of matter-a-factly. It's not bad but it's far from the enjoyment that I'm getting for Tastosis, some of it might be Kelly.
I don't really like this new guy. He has no insight. He is kind of dumb. As someone said above, he pretty much just says what is happening without any game analysis or any predictions. That's why I appreciate when Kelly just disregards his stupid comments. See, it's okay to make jokes and stuff, but you have to also get back to the game, and I think that's what Kelly's doin. She's not just blowing him off, but she's keeping the commentary on track. She knows that she's there to commentate on the game, not just be silly.
And on that note, I think Kelly is a really good caster, and sexy at that. I think she's actually really smart when it comes to the game. She was even smarter than tasteless about the game when they were together. But yeah, so far I'm not impressed with this new guy.
DoA is doing good I've watched some of his vods long before GSL He's very focused and unlike other commentators rarely says something wrong (by this I mean unit name, building names etc) Sure for us that played BW collosus den is something we understand however a lot of my friends don't get jokes like that so I applaud DoA for that
However I must say I like kelly's personality better
I've never heard Doa cast before GSL and I must say I was satisfied with his performance when I caught his first day casting in Code A some days back. He held his nerves pretty well for facing the camera and casting on Gom where so many people from all over the world are watching on his first day. I like his cool, calm and collected voice. It's easy to listen to.
On March 10 2011 05:53 TokyoDriftingPhoenix wrote: People need to take a step back and realize that she's commentating on an incredibly complex and fast paced game in a second language, and she's fucking insightful.
In Singapore, English is our first language because of the need to have a common language to communicate in across the various races staying here.
Doa is impressing me as usuall while kelly... is still kelly. I have to comment on the fact that Kelly was not at all following up on doa's jokes and that made me sad, he deserve a good cocaster and when he get one it will be great
I feel like somehow Doa ist just trying to be like Tastosis. Same words, similar jokes, same "I-am-so-exited"- and "go-tell-your-friends"-stuff. Also, he sometimes does really strange analysis ingame.
It's probably a difficult situation for them. They're supposed to function perfectly together, and at the same time outshine the other one so they'll get to stay on the job when the casting of casters is over.
I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it or done close to my best job.
Hes doing great, and he'll only improve... To be honest tasteless was fairly awful at the start of GSL1. Having watched the brood war GOM tournaments that tasteless casted he just seemed like he had no idea how sc2 worked, he says he is master league now (and i believe him) but it felt like he didn't know anything about the game when he first started... And artosis was doing his infamous weatherman style commentary - but they really improved and are now great again
people dont seem to realise how nervewracking it can be being infront of a camera but doa handled it really well for his first day and hes been improving
Wish kelly would work with him a bit more, seems like when he makes a joke she doesnt even pay attention or follow it up with anything and sometimes outright ignores him, but whatever gom will undoubtedly get rid of her after all the feedback
Doa seems like a legitimately nice guy and I want him to succeed and it's obvious he's trying. What I can't understand is why he's not catching more flak for his lack of game sense and knowledge.
On March 12 2011 02:19 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Doa seems like a legitimately nice guy and I want him to succeed and it's obvious he's trying. What I can't understand is why he's not catching more flak for his lack of game sense and knowledge.
I find it strange too. Idk, it seems like people are willing to endure Doa and his growing pains, but wouldn't give Kelly the same chance. People were complaining that they don't want a "plat player casting" in Kelly, but Doa even admits he would lose to Kelly in a match. Oh well, for whatever reason Kelly rubbed people the wrong way and wanted her out right away. Doa seems a bit plain to me and kind of boring, but he has gotten better in his last few cast. I'll see how he does with another caster next season. Hopefully he takes the time in between seasons to work on his game knowledge.
So I can't find any information on this guy. Is he like some casters, someone who played a completely unskilled game like WoW and decided to jump on the bandwagon because SC2 is getting popular and had no real passion for SC? Or does he know about the game? How well does he play SC:BW and/or SC2? How long has he been casting? I really hope that he's knowledgeable about the game, the lack of knowledge on the game is really frustrating when a caster says wrong things and doesn't pay attention to important things going on in the game.
I just know he started as a youtube caster but I don't know his history on the subject. I also am wondering who exactly Moletrap is. KellyMilkies was not a bad caster at all, I think I heard she was Diamond and she actually was familiar with playing the game in a competitive, formal setting in front of a stage so she had knowledge and experience, I just think she may have not been the best caster because of lack of experience, but a season later she improved a lot and began to focus on casting instead of getting super excited. Her accent killed her though, unfortunately, I really think she could've been good but I guess a bad accent is the worst thing for a caster, although I didn't think so.
Moletrap is a long time veteran caster of the BroodWar scene
He has played BroodWar, and covered the BroodWar korean pro scene for many years with Cholera, Diggity, Klazart, and VioletaK. His knowledge of Starcraft has been tempered by years of experience, however his Starcraft 2 knowledge will be put to the test.
They are forefathers of the tradition of casting SC games. Their youtube channels, filled with countless videos, are a google away.
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