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sechkie
United States334 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:41 ScrapBrain wrote: I want to make sure that I'm not being perceived as a troll, so I avoided posting this. But it really is astounding how an admin will blast a simple idea instead of just giving his opinion. It bothers me a lot how he put words into my mouth and used strong language. He has to understand that people will see that red name and have an automatic bias towards him, and more selfishly against me. How did he put words in your mouth? You said this in your OP. If you take a look at the Korean eSports scene, there is one of the big difference in the marketing of it all. That difference is that they use the players' actual names instead of only their tag. So he responded with this. On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... He clearly implied that commentators calling people by their IDs is not important which was undoubtedly your focus... | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:39 Ojahh wrote: cause he cares, and he is right, the thread tittle and OP are worded in away that slightly over exaggerates things, not that it isn't a valid point. so what's you're reason for that helpful and constructive on-topic post you fired out there From what I've seen from a few posters is that the problem is with the syntax of my topic's title? Are you kidding me? You can see by my post count that I don't have much experience on this board. Instead of saying, "I don't think that this is needed at this time. Also, you should be more careful with your topic titles in the future," I get accosted by an admin. I view these boards a lot, have been ever since I found out about them over a year ago. I realize that it isn't much time compared to a lot of people here, but... I dunno. I think there was a better way for it to have been handled. That being said, this has gone way off topic. My points are simple. I think that it is something that I haven't heard a discussion about. I think it is something to consider. I think using peoples' names instead of, or even alongside, would help the general public accept eSports in general. There are many things that can be done, but since I hadn't seen a thread about it (and I even used the search function, as per the forum rules) I wanted to let people know my thoughts on the matter and get some feedback in return. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:35 CarlCaliente wrote: Does anyone remember CAL circa 2005? 3D | Sievers, NIP Christensen??? Made no difference to the outside world and just make the league look ridiculous to the existing community. I was about to say this aswell. This has been tried out far before many of the people around here have gotten in touch with eSports. And didn't change anything. And it is even counter-productive. Nicknames are our identity in eSports. Take it away, and you wash away the identity of eSports. Brazilian and Portuguese football players play almost exclusively under nicknames, and it doesn't hurt their popularity in the slightest. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27172 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:41 ScrapBrain wrote: I want to make sure that I'm not being perceived as a troll, so I avoided posting this. But it really is astounding how an admin will blast a simple idea instead of just giving his opinion. It bothers me a lot how he put words into my mouth and used strong language. He has to understand that people will see that red name and have an automatic bias towards him, and more selfishly against me. People can think for themselves. If a red name bends someone's will, they are not the people that matter anyway. Your words convey your message. If your message was not what you intended, change your words. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:33 Ventor wrote: Why is a Team Liquid admin arguing like this in a opinionated thread? Looks real professional. So being an admin means you can't have opinions anymore? Quite frankly I think this is a non issue, the use of real names that is. I keep reading comparisons to Korea and poker. This is not Korea. This is not poker. This is sc2 in the west. I have absolutely no relation to Kevin Riley the person, but I love to watch QXC play sc2. If a commentator is calling him Kevin, which he is less recognized as, I think it would be doing a disservice. Players are known by their ID's on battlenet. I only know a handful of player's actual names. I really don't see how it would be any more important or professional by calling them by their real names. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On the other hand, if there was ever a famously good player to rise up that went by a horribly immature ID... that could be kinda problematic. Ultimately, even though I think Chill really needs to chill out, he's right in that there are other more important ways to legitimize e-sports (I'd say: get bigger/more mainstream sponsors) | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:50 jmbthirteen wrote: Quite frankly I think this is a non issue, the use of real names that is. I keep reading comparisons to Korea and poker. This is not Korea. This is not poker. This is sc2 in the west. I have absolutely no relation to Kevin Riley the person, but I love to watch QXC play sc2. If a commentator is calling him Kevin, which he is less recognized as, I think it would be doing a disservice. Players are known by their ID's on battlenet. I only know a handful of player's actual names. I really don't see how it would be any more important or professional by calling them by their real names. You are looking at it from the eyes of someone from within the community already. This is all about making it more accessible for people outside of the community. If StarCraft were on western TV, and qxc was playing and the caster referred to him as "Kevin 'qxc' Riley" that wouldn't matter to you in the long run. You know who he is and you have identified him as the player that he is. However, if the caster only called him "qxc," someone from the general public wouldn't necessarily get it, right? I fully admit that a lot of that is back story, something I am very happy to hear is starting to be addressed. But I do believe that it would help to have actual human names in there, too, for those that aren't in the loop. Edit: Mod, if you would please change the title of the thread to "Real Names to Help eSports?" Thanks. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:29 Keitzer wrote: if they made the name... i'm pretty sure they know what it means / how to pronounce it and about using RL names.... a no from me for now since SC2 (to me) is still a game, which has avatars, and people communicate and participate through their respective avatar. i was talking about korean fans they won't know bisu but they'll know kim taek yong | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
About the only Korean name that sticks in my head is Lim Jae Duck and that's just because of the Duck. I can remember the English names a better, but I don't know half the players' names. However I do know the players, just not their names. The names aren't one of the things I would do to help e-sports because it's harder to feel like you are on a 1st name basis with the players instead of just knowing their nickname. Even in sports, they have the numbers, which are kind of like a nickname. You might not know or care the name of #17 on some random NBA team, but you will be able to easily see the number and see the player, and if you care, find out his name. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:00 ScrapBrain wrote: You are looking at it from the eyes of someone from within the community already. This is all about making it more accessible for people outside of the community. If StarCraft were on western TV, and qxc was playing and the caster referred to him as "Kevin 'qxc' Riley" that wouldn't matter to you in the long run. You know who he is and you have identified him as the player that he is. However, if the caster only called him "qxc," someone from the general public wouldn't necessarily get it, right? I fully admit that a lot of that is back story, something I am very happy to hear is starting to be addressed. But I do believe that it would help to have actual human names in there, too, for those that aren't in the loop. I just don't think it would change anything, I don't think anyone who isn't in the community would be turned on or off by using his real name. Until sc2 I wasn't a big gamer at all. I mean I played video games, but never got into pro gaming whatsoever. My roommate got me into sc2, showed me hd and husky and it grew from there. I got into the scene, became fans of players only knowing their sc2 ID's. Knowing their real names would not have gotten me into the scene any sooner. It's not like the name is everything. Its just an ID. Players become popular because of how good they are, how entertaining they are, and their style of play. Nothing about using a real name would improve that. To bring outsiders into the scene, they need to be shown how excited sc2 can be. Not that John Smith plays it. EDIT: Plus the whole Korean thing doesn't make sense here because in Korea, its been established like that. Here it is not. I think it would just lead to more confusion. | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:08 jmbthirteen wrote: EDIT: Plus the whole Korean thing doesn't make sense here because in Korea, its been established like that. Here it is not. I think it would just lead to more confusion. How would it lead to more confusion? | ||
Falling
Canada11495 Posts
Look at these two lists: Jung Myung Hoon Lee Jae Dong Song Byung Goo Kim Taek Yong Shin Dong Won Cha Myung Hwan Lee Young Ho Fantasy Jaedong Stork Bisu Hydra Great Flash As an English speaker, which of these lists are more easily recognizable? I can handle Jaedong because it's in amongst a lot of English handles and is therefore distinct. All the other names are pretty indistinct- except maybe Song Byung Goo (thanks to that one white guy Daniel?) The same would happen if you got a bunch of Russian gamers in there etc. If you haven't grown up with names, it's hard to remember. Probably the Russians will know the real names for the Russian players. Just like I am much more likely to remember that Jinro's name is Jonathan and Idra is Greg. I'm not sure that having nick names is necessarily the problem so much as the gamers themselves choosing unprofessional/ non-mainstream nicknames. From chatspeak teh_pwnrer to the nicknames used to troll Artosis' interview, 4:20 jokes etc. | ||
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Tokay
Sweden115 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
They are already known by their sc2 ID's. Sure for new people they aren't known, but you cannot abandon the established scene in the west, which is driving eSports to become even bigger, which knows them as TLO, White-Ra, QXC and so on. And Falling raises a great point as well. eSports is international, whether is be USA, Korea, Germany, and so on. It's much easier to go by their sc2 ID which can be translated and easily pronounced. | ||
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kky
United States76 Posts
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:33 Tokay wrote: Isn't it a must to have nicknames atleast until a player makes it big? Because, how else would you know which Jon Johnsson you are talking about, or playing against? That would just require a shift in how casters present data. Most tournaments going on are invitationals. It would be super simple to add their name to the database for the player. As simple as that. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
The starcraft scene is biggest in Korea, and you think using player's real names will encourage support from the wider community? While everyone is entitled to their opinion; i cannot see my friends being more interested Lee Young Ho than they would be in Flash .. Also, don't take people's disagreement so personally.. | ||
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Tokay
Sweden115 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:37 ScrapBrain wrote: That would just require a shift in how casters present data. Most tournaments going on are invitationals. It would be super simple to add their name to the database for the player. As simple as that. I'm not just talking about on a high-level. I mean if you ladder, everyone can't go with their real name, since people has the same names. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:36 kky wrote: All arguments aside... I do feel that for the presentation of esports to a broader audience, real names should be used. I love internet and gaming culture as much as the next guy. However, you will not be taken seriously if you only use game nicknames. To a general audience, that further detracts from the legitimacy of esports. It would just be percieved as just a video game and not a professional legitimate sport. Why? I do not get this argument at all. I just don't think it is true at all. I've talked to my dad about how big pro gaming is becoming and not once did he think it wasn't legitimate because they go by nicknames. The money and sponsors behind the tournaments make something legitimate, not the nicknames or the real names. | ||
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