EPTAlso if we used names how would we have clan tags and all that goodness? Slayers, Lim Yo-Hwan? No thanks.
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
Also if we used names how would we have clan tags and all that goodness? Slayers, Lim Yo-Hwan? No thanks. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... Even if it was the latter, why are people so willing to give up the community for ESPORTS. The two worst things that could ever happen for esports, SC2 especially, is it dies out or it becomes exactly like the mainstream US sports and we lose the SC2 culture that's been so great. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
By trying to take things too seriously like this you're destroying the allure of esports. Esports players are not football players or baseball players, being super serious all the time because we have billion dollar sponsors behind us. We're a bunch of nerds who just want to play their favorite game, this isn't a job. We do it because we love it, and the names are a big part of the culture. Who the fuck wants to hear about Geoff Robinson, that's such a boring name. iNcontroL, on the other hand is a fucking beast. Greg Fields? I can't think of a more boring name outside of Chad Smith I can think of, but IdrA? The Gracken? That's so exciting and epic. TL;DR: Stop trying to be so serious. Esports is all about the joy, and the love of the game, and by removing the elements of the culture, you're destroying a big part of what makes esports. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
Last names might be ok by me though. I'd love to see LiquidWasieleski (sp?) | ||
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GriNn
United States243 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... This, well said. | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:35 don_kyuhote wrote: Interesting point. Yea, the Korean commentators never refer to players by their ID tag. They say "Lee Young Ho is doing blah blah blah" not "Flash is doing blah blah blah" In fact, some people probably don't know/don't care what the ID tag of certain players are. But the difficulty of pronounciation does make a difference. they're all from the same country and used to the names/naming conventions, so it's simple once you start dealing with american/international tournaments where everyone has different backgrounds, it's way too complicated | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
Name 'nick' Last Name Ex: Geoff 'Incontrol' robinson Sean 'Day9' plott Jonathan 'Kiwikaki' Garneau | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... The issue is not that there is a social stigma. If that mattered, not nearly as many people would be willing to express their love of eSports. But if you look at something such as poker, it is more than just a game. I have watched poker for years, but watching the actual game play itself is very boring. The excitement comes from back-stories and getting people you can root for, right? Who would your root for between MoonShatter and sToPGoGo? You have no idea because those are just two guys in my ladder division. What about Lim Yo Hwan vs Kim Won Gi? Korea has made those more than just Slayers`Boxer vs TSL.Fruitdealer. You don't think that they might have been on to something by making the people more than their handles? | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On March 02 2011 12:38 ScrapBrain wrote: The issue is not that there is a social stigma. If that mattered, not nearly as many people would be willing to express their love of eSports. But if you look at something such as poker, it is more than just a game. I have watched poker for years, but watching the actual game play itself is very boring. The excitement comes from back-stories and getting people you can root for, right? Who would your root for between MoonShatter and sToPGoGo? You have no idea because those are just two guys in my ladder division. What about Lim Yo Hwan vs Kim Won Gi? Korea has made those more than just Slayers`Boxer vs TSL.Fruitdealer. You don't think that they might have been on to something by making the people more than their handles? I disagree 100% .. SlayerS_BoxeR and TSL_Fruitdealer will get close to 97% more recognition than Kim Won Gi in the Western world.. Increasing the notoriety of eSports in Korea is simply not in our realm (speaking from a foreigner perspective) however the Western world would be a lot more receptive to a player's handle than their name in my opinion.. I do agree with Chill that this is quite close to the smallest problem standing in the way of eSports and the social stigma attached to computer games and gamers in general as nerds and leeches of society needs to be overcome first.. IDs vs Real Names i just don't feel is a priority.. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27172 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:23 awu25 wrote: i don't think it's a marketing thing most koreans wouldn't be able to pronounce flash, jaedong, or mvp, i think that's why their korean names are used This post needs more love haha | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... LOL. nice. | ||
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RDon
Canada12 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... Part of what the OP is getting at is that these two issues are related. Nobody is going to take something seriously if everyone participating goes by a nickname which was probably invented to make you sound cooler than you actually are. I mean, why would you consider something legitimate if everybody participating is already in some sense fraudulent? Yes, some professional athletes are known by their nicknames as much as or more than their actual name, but they didn't start their professional career with those nicknames. And they often didn't make them up themselves. Edit: yes, I may have overe generalized. By nobody, I mean in the general public. You get the idea... I have said many times before in these types of threads that everyone should just use their real name. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
I have trouble memorizing Korean names. Lim Yo-Hwan is one of the only Korean names that stick to my head, despite having heard the Korean names for each player while watching tournaments. Min Chul is one that sticks to my head because it's initials are MC, his handle. As for the western guys, I already know the majority of the Western pros' real names just because they're more easily memorable, but I still think of their nicknames when I see them. I think it has to do with the fact that even if the competitive scene is getting big, it's still a video game. Nicknames have been a part of multiplayer video games for such a long time that I think it will stick until the end of time. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... One could make an argument that IDs contribute in some way to the social stigma. You've probably seen it before in any sort of comedy/satire piece that lambastes gaming in any shape or form where they make fun of an online ID/monicker. | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... I think commentators calling people by their names WOULD help legitimize e-sports. In my opinion, it is more acceptable for "John Doe" to be playing SCII, than it is for "NerDCrUshEr" | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Stoli
Canada173 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... Social stigma isn't a concrete thing.. there's no reason it's not reasonable to suggest it's being contributed to by using usernames instead of real names, as they do in Korean e-sports and real sports. Meh, I like the idea, you're absolutely correct that this isn't like to ignite some massive boom to esports.. but it does somehow seem more respectful to use real names, and slightly immature to use screen names? Meh, I don't think that when watching tastosis, but that's coming from someone who has grown up using usernames as habitually as your name, I imagine it seems quite foreign to others. | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 12:46 bkrow wrote: I disagree 100% .. SlayerS_BoxeR and TSL_Fruitdealer will get close to 97% more recognition than Kim Won Gi in the Western world.. Increasing the notoriety of eSports in Korea is simply not in our realm (speaking from a foreigner perspective) however the Western world would be a lot more receptive to a player's handle than their name in my opinion.. I do agree with Chill that this is quite close to the smallest problem standing in the way of eSports and the social stigma attached to computer games and gamers in general as nerds and leeches of society needs to be overcome first.. IDs vs Real Names i just don't feel is a priority.. The problem with your notion is that you seem to think that eSports in the west is anywhere near the level of that in Korea. It is a LOT better than anytime in the past, but it isn't consuming multiple TV channels and a third of the population plays online games. Why not take ideas that have worked for Korea, the mecca of what we are trying to promote and adapt them to our situation here? | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 Chill wrote: Where are you people explaining what we need to do to "expand esports" coming from lately? Let's see, do you think the thing holding back gaming from booming is: - Social stigma with gaming not being legitimatized and accepted yet OR - Commentators calling people by their IDs Hmm... I agree with this. | ||
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