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Jumbled
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
Even if it was the latter, why are people so willing to give up the community for ESPORTS. The two worst things that could ever happen for esports, SC2 especially, is it dies out or it becomes exactly like the mainstream US sports and we lose the SC2 culture that's been so great. Are you saying that the SC2 culture is founded on the use of nicknames? That if we didn't use nicknames, it would irrevocably and fundamentally kill SC2 culture? Even though Koreans don't use nicknames? Sorry; does not compute. What exactly are you trying to argue here? That calling somebody by a different name gives me a greater insight into their personality? Or that ActionJesuz has hitherto-unrevealed powers of invisibility? No, he's saying that using an actual name for a guy, as they do in South Korea, makes them a person. | ||
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CrushDog5
Canada207 Posts
[B] Part of what the OP is getting at is that these two issues are related. Nobody is going to take something seriously if everyone participating goes by a nickname which was probably invented to make you sound cooler than you actually are. I mean, why would you consider something legitimate if everybody participating is already in some sense fraudulent? I agree. If you want an audience that is larger than the 14-24 male, hot-pocket eating crowd, you can't do things that only people in that crowd are likely to think are cool. I used to let my kids watch the Day(9) dailies - they love his unit impersonations - but he's been cursing quite a bit lately and my wife has started to give me the "that's not appropriate for the children" look. This is a loss for e-sports. Parents encourage their kids to watch hockey, and to play hockey, and to idolize hockey players. As long as e-sports commentators and pros act like rebellious kids, few people outside that age bracket are going to find the sport accessible. From my perspective as a 40ish fan who watches more than he plays and is in a position to encourage my children to be involved in e-sports, there is too much BM, and too much young male machismo from everyone involved in e-sports in NA. You can't say someone got 'raped', you can't say 'Bro'; if you're on camera you can't dress like you're in a grunge band, or haven't showed a week. InControl and Idra are funny to some, but I just can't see this type of personality taking e-sports into a full-blown sustainable scene. Once e-sports has been established, bad-boy types have a role to play, but until then, clean-cut professionalism MUST be the norm. Otherwise I just don't see e-sports ever being half as big as everyone hopes | ||
Chill
Calgary25997 Posts
On March 02 2011 12:38 ScrapBrain wrote: The issue is not that there is a social stigma. If that mattered, not nearly as many people would be willing to express their love of eSports. But if you look at something such as poker, it is more than just a game. I have watched poker for years, but watching the actual game play itself is very boring. The excitement comes from back-stories and getting people you can root for, right? Who would your root for between MoonShatter and sToPGoGo? You have no idea because those are just two guys in my ladder division. What about Lim Yo Hwan vs Kim Won Gi? Korea has made those more than just Slayers`Boxer vs TSL.Fruitdealer. You don't think that they might have been on to something by making the people more than their handles? Your example doesn't make sense because you gave me two random IDs and then compared it to the most famous person in RTS history. You don't know who MoonShatter is. Great. If his name was Billy Friggly would you suddenly know who he was? No, of course you wouldn't. Ugh it jut makes zero sense. I can give you the reverse: What about 김민수 vs 이수현? Wouldn't you rather root for X'Ds~Grrrr... and [GG99]Slayers? I think you're aware that back-stories have nothing to do with IDs versus real names. Edit: Your example makes no little sense that it's fucking hurting my brain thinking about. "Korea has made those more than just Slayers`Boxer vs TSL.Fruitdealer". Yea, and if you ask the average person here who Kim Won Gi is, they won't know. But if you ask them who Fruitdealer is, they will know his entire story. So what does this prove? Edit 2: And to suggest this is the one thing we were missing to make this game boom. It's unfathomable to think you believe what you are writing. You are just sensationalizing a point of preference, and that's what's making this upset me so much. Edit 3: Okay, so here's my summary: Using real names would make the scene slightly more professional. How much more professional? It's arguable. But it's somewhere between #100 and #1000 on the top 10,000 things that would make SC2 more professional. Saying it's #1 is retarded, and I can't express it any nicer than that. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25997 Posts
On March 02 2011 12:53 RDon wrote: Part of what the OP is getting at is that these two issues are related. Nobody is going to take something seriously if everyone participating goes by a nickname which was probably invented to make you sound cooler than you actually are. I mean, why would you consider something legitimate if everybody participating is already in some sense fraudulent? Yes, some professional athletes are known by their nicknames as much as or more than their actual name, but they didn't start their professional career with those nicknames. And they often didn't make them up themselves. Edit: yes, I may have overe generalized. By nobody, I mean in the general public. You get the idea... I have said many times before in these types of threads that everyone should just use their real name. Yes, and I agree. But do you think it's #1 on the long-list of things that need to happen before it booms (as the OP says) or #1000? | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
Second, I think nicknames are more interesting because they actually say something about the person sense he's the one who picked it. To even consider that not using real names can turn off somebody is ridiculous. | ||
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timestep
Canada73 Posts
I dont think we should sacrifice things like that. Its what makes up our community. Most people will know others on SC and other communities solely through their handles. No other sport does this. Why lose things that we were brought up with to things like legitimacy and acceptance. People outside the community should simply recognize it as a staple of what SC is about. I highly doubt that using people's real name effects things like that. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
This was brought up before. Frankly in e-sports the ID is better than the name. The ID is what we associate online with. You don't see us using our real names on these forums for the most part. | ||
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JohnnyYen
United States313 Posts
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
Be like Ochocinco and lets all legally change our names to our tags, that way everyone is happy. Although, I have no idea if underscores are allowed and it might be awkward for some people (I'm looking at you poopfeast420) | ||
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
I agree. If you want an audience that is larger than the 14-24 male, hot-pocket eating crowd, you can't do things that only people in that crowd are likely to think are cool. I used to let my kids watch the Day(9) dailies - they love his unit impersonations - but he's been cursing quite a bit lately and my wife has started to give me the "that's not appropriate for the children" look. This is a loss for e-sports. Parents encourage their kids to watch hockey, and to play hockey, and to idolize hockey players. As long as e-sports commentators and pros act like rebellious kids, few people outside that age bracket are going to find the sport accessible. From my perspective as a 40ish fan who watches more than he plays and is in a position to encourage my children to be involved in e-sports, there is too much BM, and too much young male machismo from everyone involved in e-sports in NA. You can't say someone got 'raped', you can't say 'Bro'; if you're on camera you can't dress like you're in a grunge band, or haven't showed a week. InControl and Idra are funny to some, but I just can't see this type of personality taking e-sports into a full-blown sustainable scene. Once e-sports has been established, bad-boy types have a role to play, but until then, clean-cut professionalism MUST be the norm. Otherwise I just don't see e-sports ever being half as big as everyone hopes This is one of the truest things about e-sports I have ever read. I've always hated, HATED the word 'rape' being used in e-sports. (and other gaming communities too, if you've ever heard of Magic: The Gathering, that word is thrown around frequently there) If I heard that used before I got into the culture, I'd have been repulsed and probably never returned. And I AM the 14-24 male crowd (I don't eat hot pockets because I don't think they're in Australia). How is the average joe ever going to give respect to someone like that? Regular sports have a pass on that to an extent because everyone already accepts it as part of popular culture. If we're going to get there, we need to be accessible. And using words like rape isn't going to get much respect from the people we need to win over. | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On March 02 2011 13:26 NicolBolas wrote: No, he's saying that using an actual name for a guy, as they do in South Korea, makes them a person. Yes, and I'm saying he's not making a very good case for it. Referring to ActionJesuz as ActionJesuz doesn't mean I'm suddenly unable to interpret his body language, or recognise that's he's a human being. Now if the OP was saying there's a problem when players frequently change handles, then he might have a point, as that would hinder them becoming more widely known. However, most western players stick fairly consistently to one name. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
1. Why are we talking as if the sport is on the cusp of hitting mainstream like it's the next MLS? (oh wait...) 2. How did 3D|Miller & NiP Christensen fair against 3D|ksharp and NiP HeatoN? And why is a certain zerg player Fields referred to as either "IdrA" or "Grack"? | ||
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Chill
Calgary25997 Posts
On March 02 2011 13:47 Salivanth wrote: This is one of the truest things about e-sports I have ever read. I've always hated, HATED the word 'rape' being used in e-sports. (and other gaming communities too, if you've ever heard of Magic: The Gathering, that word is thrown around frequently there) If I heard that used before I got into the culture, I'd have been repulsed and probably never returned. And I AM the 14-24 male crowd (I don't eat hot pockets because I don't think they're in Australia). How is the average joe ever going to give respect to someone like that? Regular sports have a pass on that to an extent because everyone already accepts it as part of popular culture. If we're going to get there, we need to be accessible. And using words like rape isn't going to get much respect from the people we need to win over. Where is that from? It's very true. | ||
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SeeDLiNg
United States690 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
ex: tester (liquidbet) aka TSL trickster (GSL name) and i believe tastosis calls him seo ki soo (real name) that's already three different names that one person goes by i believe a lot of koreans like to change their gamer tags, esp in BW like the protoss player Kal always uses the gamer tag Goojila now a days | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
John "Lethal" Smith. You know his real name and his ID. In all of my clans we had our roster named like that. Considering from a spectator's point of view watching the game you will see his ID when the observer selects something so it is important for them to know that as well. Even sports in the real world use nicknames. King James - Lebron James Sid the kid - Sidney Crosby Air Jordan - Michael Jordan Big Bambino - Babe Ruth The Great One - Wayne Gretzky The list can go on. Think of this we go to a LAN for a TL meetup. You do not know their real names if you haven't met them before you will probably introduce yourself as your forum id. I would rather have people call me by my game id at a lan or other event with people from the community. To make it mainstream, yes knowing their real name is a big bonus but we also do not have the websites that dedicate pages upon pages that are easy to access of every player with where they were born, when they were born. The TLPD is a huge step towards this but it is limited to the people who know about it and it is hard to access if you do not know how to use it. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Chill is right on track though, this is #538 on the list of things that help legitimacy. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 02 2011 11:46 don_kyuhote wrote: I think there is an easy solution to make people call you by your real name. Make your ID "gfkljwrdxk" Rofl, I've heard that if you try to enter a GSL qualifier with an obviously troll ID like that, they will make you change it. It would be absolutely hilarious to see a commentator trying to pronounce that though. I would pay to see that happen. It's hard to tell how much effect it has on the Korean pro scene, but I personally don't see a problem with just sticking to people's ID's at this point. Maybe if the SC2 pro scene outside of Korea becomes very big in the next couple of years, then we could start thinking about using their real names. Those Korean commentators actually do say "Greg Fields" instead of "IdrA" and "Jonathan" instead of "Jinro" by the way. | ||
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ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 13:34 Chill wrote: Yes, and I agree. But do you think it's #1 on the long-list of things that need to happen before it booms (as the OP says) or #1000? I'm sorry, Chill, but where did I say that? I'm trying to be mannered, but do not put words in my mouth. There is much that could be done above using people's names, I admit. It is just one of the things I wanted to get opinions on. For someone who holds a certain level of power on these boards, I would have hoped you wouldn't put down false accusations and condemnation. | ||
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