EPTReal Names to Help eSports? - Page 6
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
MLGrben
United States129 Posts
| ||
|
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:41 MLGrben wrote: One key thing that needs to happen is we need to stop referring to it as e-sports. To all of us, we get it and it makes sense right away. To others, the people we NEED to bring in to grow this to what we all know it can be e-sports is a confusing term. What should it be called? | ||
|
kky
United States76 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:40 jmbthirteen wrote: Why? I do not get this argument at all. I just don't think it is true at all. I've talked to my dad about how big pro gaming is becoming and not once did he think it wasn't legitimate because they go by nicknames. The money and sponsors behind the tournaments make something legitimate, not the nicknames or the real names. It's not the thing that is holding esports back. However, it would be a nice touch to use real names is all I'm saying. You have to realize that outside of the hardcore internet/gaming community, which most people are, games names (ranging from thedestroyer to day[9]) look ridiculous. Think of anything "professional" and notice that real names are predominately used. You would never go to a meeting and introduce yourself by anything other than your real name. I have no problems with gaming names as I've been in this community for as long as I can remember. I just think that for the sake of presenting esports to the public we have to get over this part of our culture and present ourselves professionally. | ||
|
XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
IDENTITY. A name is irrelevant if people don't know you by it. I agree there's a difference between calling out a real name and an ID - the real name seems more personal. But I really don't care for commentators even trying to pronounce Oleksiy Krupnyk. And I don't wonna hear Nick De Cesare when I wonna think of some honey hazel eyes and a toned body with italian-olive skin. | ||
|
MLGrben
United States129 Posts
At MLG we call it competitive gaming and seem to have better response. Still not sure that is the right thing. | ||
|
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:49 kky wrote: It's not the thing that is holding esports back. However, it would be a nice touch to use real names is all I'm saying. You have to realize that outside of the hardcore internet/gaming community, which most people are, games names (ranging from thedestroyer to day[9]) look ridiculous. Think of anything "professional" and notice that real names are predominately used. You would never go to a meeting and introduce yourself by anything other than your real name. I have no problems with gaming names as I've been in this community for as long as I can remember. I just think that for the sake of presenting esports to the public we have to get over this part of our culture and present ourselves professionally. Stop trying to make pro gaming something it isn't. It is not a board meeting. It is a video game. And thats not a bad thing. Millions of people have these ID's that they go by, whether its on battlenet, xbox live, or something else. It's not like this is a foreign concept to people. Its one that many understand. | ||
|
ScrapBrain
United States53 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:39 Tokay wrote: I'm not just talking about on a high-level. I mean if you ladder, everyone can't go with their real name, since people has the same names. 1) I counted 54 people with accounts named "IdrA" on sc2ranks.com. That is why they did the character codes. 2) That's not what I was suggesting. I don't have a problem with people having their tags. The discussion has be about whether casters and tournament organizers should or should not include real names with or without the tags. After reading through the posts here, I like the idea of doing both together like "Sean 'Day[9]' Plott." Which, by the way, is how he is referred to a lot, and look at him. He is more than just some random behind a computer. There are many factors that have made him the personality that he is, but I have introduced many people to eSports through his #100 daily, and although it might not be a huge part by any means, giving his name has helped. | ||
|
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:53 MLGrben wrote: At MLG we call it competitive gaming and seem to have better response. Still not sure that is the right thing. After I posted I was thinking and I do believe professional gaming is a better term, especially to new or potential fans. | ||
|
Tokay
Sweden115 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:56 ScrapBrain wrote: 1) I counted 54 people with accounts named "IdrA" on sc2ranks.com. That is why they did the character codes. 2) That's not what I was suggesting. I don't have a problem with people having their tags. The discussion has be about whether casters and tournament organizers should or should not include real names with or without the tags. After reading through the posts here, I like the idea of doing both together like "Sean 'Day[9]' Plott." Which, by the way, is how he is referred to a lot, and look at him. He is more than just some random behind a computer. There are many factors that have made him the personality that he is, but I have introduced many people to eSports through his #100 daily, and although it might not be a huge part by any means, giving his name has helped. Ah, my bad. Missed the part that this was only about tournaments. | ||
|
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:56 ScrapBrain wrote: 1) I counted 54 people with accounts named "IdrA" on sc2ranks.com. That is why they did the character codes. 2) That's not what I was suggesting. I don't have a problem with people having their tags. The discussion has be about whether casters and tournament organizers should or should not include real names with or without the tags. After reading through the posts here, I like the idea of doing both together like "Sean 'Day[9]' Plott." Which, by the way, is how he is referred to a lot, and look at him. He is more than just some random behind a computer. There are many factors that have made him the personality that he is, but I have introduced many people to eSports through his #100 daily, and although it might not be a huge part by any means, giving his name has helped. If a person gets big enough, then of course he will be known by his real name. Sean 'Day [9]' Plott just may be the most recognized person in the sc2 scene. He also brands himself that way. If he were to just refer to himself as just Day [9], then thats what he would most commonly be referred to as. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:49 kky wrote: It's not the thing that is holding esports back. However, it would be a nice touch to use real names is all I'm saying. You have to realize that outside of the hardcore internet/gaming community, which most people are, games names (ranging from thedestroyer to day[9]) look ridiculous. Think of anything "professional" and notice that real names are predominately used. You would never go to a meeting and introduce yourself by anything other than your real name. I have no problems with gaming names as I've been in this community for as long as I can remember. I just think that for the sake of presenting esports to the public we have to get over this part of our culture and present ourselves professionally. Nicknames have worked for musicians and bands. | ||
|
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
| ||
|
Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
Koreans refer to their players by their whole name, the rest of the world uses way more complicated names and calling TLO Daro Wünsch every single time is just asking for a awkward moment when you say it wrong. | ||
|
GP
United States1056 Posts
On March 02 2011 15:05 Chill wrote: "Real Names for eSports to Boom?" How should I interprit that? "Real Names [and 999 other more important things first] for eSports to Boom?"? In his defense you're splitting hairs here. The topic title is misleading and I don't think he intended it to be how you interpreted it, but I think it is an issue that should be thought about. I was actually pondering this question the other day. It's not so much about making e-sports boom I think, but legitimizing the players and just removing the curtain of a computer. To your point I think that removing the handles, or rather putting much more emphasis on real names would do much to remove that social stigma. Listen to the State of the Game, they''re all on a first name basis, and don't often refer to each other by their handles. I don't think it would do much of anything to "further e-sports" but it would do a lot to make a greater personal connection between the audience and players so players aren't just anonymous ids. | ||
|
teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 02 2011 17:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Nicknames have worked for musicians and bands. Looks like Tyler just ended this thread. | ||
|
Iggnite
Canada288 Posts
| ||
|
HeadDesk
United States171 Posts
Sean "Day[9]" Plott Nick "Tasteless" Plott Geoff "Incontrol" Robinson Greg "Idra" Fields The nickname IS a part of e-Sports however, so I think it would be detrimental for e-Sports to only do real names. There's also other sports where this is followed, just off the top of my head: UFC fighter Chuck "The Iceman" Liddel. Personally, I think the nicknames add more to the players and some people have stories about their nicknames and they can show their personality. But, beyond this debate, I think that e-Sports will boom no matter how we identify the players. Personally, I think it's much better with the id's though, and that's one thing that makes e-Sports more unique, and it is something that is a part of it's history. In no way do I think we should move away from it. | ||
|
Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
On March 02 2011 17:26 HeadDesk wrote: A lot of people in the community are already known by First name "Nickname" Last name. Sean "Day[9]" Plott Nick "Tasteless" Plott Geoff "Incontrol" Robinson Greg "Idra" Fields The nickname IS a part of e-Sports however, so I think it would be detrimental for e-Sports to only do real names. There's also other sports where this is followed, just off the top of my head: UFC fighter Chuck "The Iceman" Liddel. Personally, I think the nicknames add more to the players and some people have stories about their nicknames and they can show their personality. But, beyond this debate, I think that e-Sports will boom no matter how we identify the players. Personally, I think it's much better with the id's though, and that's one thing that makes e-Sports more unique, and it is something that is a part of it's history. In no way do I think we should move away from it. you forget 1 Tyler "Liquid`Tyler" Wasieleski Goodluck with the commentator who needs to speak that name out loud. but i think its fun to know the players real name, but the fact that you are there on a lan or watching @ home is, imo, the big difference. | ||
Falling
Canada11496 Posts
On March 02 2011 17:08 Zaphid wrote: Just show first name "nickname" last name and let people pick how do they want to call them, nicknames usually roll off the tongue better. Jinro can be said way faster than Jonathan... Very much this- and however the hell you say Tyler's last name. Sorry Tyler, it's a great name, but I just always read it as 'Wa... that-Polish-looking-name'... ski' With real names you get a wide array of ethnic names, some easier to pronounce than others. nicknames, if the gamer is smart is shorter and rolls of the tongue easier. They can also give personality. I jUsT rEaLy HaTe id's tHaT aRe SpElt liKe tHis. Don't do that, please. But I mean, MarineKing naming himself because of his use of marines? That's pretty awesome (and that he'd be called OptimusPrime if he ever won.) Bisu, which means dagger was perfect as he was the ninja Protoss with his Dark Templar play PvZ. Granted the Koreans can come up with some absolutely terrible names... HopeTorture, I'm looking at you. Or my absolute favourite. KT Finger Boom... didn't last long fortunately. (I think it was supposed to mean Lightening Fingers or some such.) However, on the whole I think nicknames are a good thing. And it's not as though this is a business meeting. It's much more similar to sports, or music and movies (entertainment) and as others have noted the entertainment industry also have have nicknames or rename themselves just as much. Bob Dylan? or Robert Zimmerman. Alice Cooper? or Vincent Furnier. | ||
|
emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Bret Hart is a name every wrestling fan knows, but many refer to him simply as "The Hitman". However someone like Shawn Michaels is known as many many things, his real name however is Michael Hickenbottom. There are many wrestlers however that are ONLY known by the nickname, The Big Show, Edge, Gold Dust etc. These people are known the world over simply by a nickname, while their real names are no secret, hardly anyone uses them. Wrestling is completely fake, we all know that, the winners are pre-determined and the rivalries are all just for the camera (with a few exceptions). That fact has never stopped it gettting millions of people watching every single week, from children to OAPs. Wrestling is accepted as a profession and accepted as something worth watching by a large population, there are also a whole population who hate it and think it shouldn't be on TV........ Esports are real, the winners and rivalries are real, the only thing thats missing is social acceptance. I doubt anyone cares whether real names are used or not, gamers are seen by much of the world as lazy and lacking ambition. We need to show them that's not true, then we can set the terms. I have always known gamer friends by their online nicks, even the ones I get to know really well and know their real names.... i still use their nick, because that is the expression of their personality they wish to portray. Another thing i feel is that commentators in real sports often mangle foreign players names, or try to pronounce them as if they are a native to the country...... using nicks usually negates this. Some European and Asians have really hard names to pronouce, hell even Tyler has a pretty hard name to pronouce and he is from NA! Anywho, names aren't whats holding back esports. I'm not even sure that social acceptance is whats holding it back anymore. I'm not convinced that if SC2 was shown on TV in the west that it would get the viewers to warrant being on TV. In the UK for instance, I don't see SC2 getting more than 20k maybe 30k viewers..... there simply aren't enough players or spectators here. IEM had a peak of roughly 25k viewers for SC2 yesterday, thats worldwide, and thats simply not enough to warrant a TV show. For esports to grow beyond where they are today, the viewerbase has to grow out to people who don't play the game. Most sports are watched by millions of people who either don't play the game at all, haven't played in years or play it only casually. Thats what esports needs, a viewerbase of non-players that is much larger than the playerbase. All sports have that, all esports don't. I have introduced my self as Emy for years, in real life, before that I was always intorduced by my old bands nickname for me, Switch. Its never stopped me getting a gig, or a girl. | ||
| ||
