EPTTotalBiscuit Audio Interview by Reddit - Page 6
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This thread is about discussing the interview, not about judging people who contribute way more to the community than you. If you have a valid criticism, make it, but if you're going to spew hate you will get banned. | ||
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote: LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. Bill roper still speaks highly of starcraft as if its a child of his. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions... I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude You don't get the point. TB can do whatever the hell he likes. Whatever his end's are, and I'm sure he's reached some of him because he's so popular, he's finding sc2 as a solid vehicle. As did Husky, Day9, HD, Wheat etc. It's not his job to love games but to cast them. If you love them then good? I don't understand. The sc1 foreigner scene was shit [ed: although dreamhack etc did provide some value, TL was mostly korean oriented]. The biggest tourney was in it's "last year" just one year ago with TL. What's so bad about dismissing it? We're not in Korea. We can dismiss it. Go play on iccup like I do if you love it so much, restream the Proleagues, but fuck judging casters about it. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
but i dont like his dismissive attitude towards the community that drove the production of sc2. if the bw scene didnt exist there would have been no project to continue the franchise. the games are incredibly similar and have overlapping communities and fans. to not "give a shit" about the BW scene is a very peculiar statement to make when hes essentially broadcasting to a community that dearly loves everything starcraft | ||
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Strauss
Mexico18 Posts
I think of Starcraft II as a videogame rather than a sport. Its two nerds bashing it out in a 1v1 showdown of skills, cheese and mindgames. If anything is hurting "esports" is the elitist attitude most "fans" take and their obsession over terrible commentators and stuff like jokes and "bad manners". Not that I'm saying TB is terrible, there are far worst out there and even more popular than him, but he still has the right to cast and even make money if the possibility exists. There are a lot of other casters out there and more variety can never hurt. It would be pretty boring if everyone was just a Day9 clone. Hopefully those elitist guys are just a vocal minority. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 27 2011 09:44 billyX333 wrote: maybe shitting on is a strong word but i dont like his dismissive attitude towards the community that drove the production of sc2. if the bw scene didnt exist there would have been no project to continue the franchise. the games are incredibly similar and have overlapping communities and fans. to not "give a shit" about the BW scene is a very peculiar statement to make when hes essentially broadcasting to a community that dearly loves everything starcraft You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing? | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
wow and war3 are utterly unrelated. | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
I also noticed on TL the amount of bashing that play-by-play casters get (especially husky) and will say things like he's not a real 'caster' because of his style. | ||
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Puremiss
United States232 Posts
Its proven across gaming commentary, the most popular casters are those with styles like TB. in SC2 - Husky in HoN - breakycpk, in DotA - TobiWanKenobi. However the harcore players watching for the analytical commentary are much more vocal in their complaints than the casual viewers. And of course it makes sense, because the casual viewers are just that. casual, and would not come onto a specific forum and complain. | ||
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Yusername
Sweden252 Posts
On February 27 2011 09:12 billyX333 wrote: this isnt the point. he openly admits that he doesnt give a shit about sc1. thats enough evidence for me. i wouldnt enjoy a basketball cast of commentators admitting to "not give a shit about the game" if there was a younger up and coming sc2 caster who never played bw but admitted to being a huge passionate nerd who regularly gets giddy and nerd chills from awesome sc2 play, i'd love it. it has nothing to do with bw background it has to do with your attitude My god, are you retarded? TB said he was more interested in WC3 than SC1, yes, but that he loves SC2. He never said he doesn't give a shit about this game, so your comparison is just fucking stupid. You're stupid. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:52 Puremiss wrote: After listening to TB he seems like a very good guy. I like how he is honest with his answers and has really worked for and deserved the popularity he has now. I really enjoy his style of casting, because I would bet that the large majority of people enjoy play by play casting and the excitement that comes along with a caster's shoutcasting. Its proven across gaming commentary, the most popular casters are those with styles like TB. in SC2 - Husky in HoN - breakycpk, in DotA - TobiWanKenobi. However the harcore players watching for the analytical commentary are much more vocal in their complaints than the casual viewers. And of course it makes sense, because the casual viewers are just that. casual, and would not come onto a specific forum and complain. I actually disagree entirely with your premise. The most popular casters are only popular because of luck and personality, not because of their non-analytical and casual style. Think about it: Husky is the number one caster along with HD because they were the first to get into SC2 Youtube casting, Breakycpk was pretty much the only caster for HoN for the longest time, etc. People mostly watch them because of availability now -- search SC2 in YT and you basically only get Husky's videos due to the number of views they've gotten now. Remember, when all those casters you named began to establish a viewerbase, they were pretty much the only ones around. There wasn't an abundance of casters for viewers to choose between. | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
On February 27 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing? Hey man I just wanted to send some support your way. I wasn't the biggest fan of your casts in the beginning mostly because I had already grown accustomed to casters that I regularly tuned into. After all of this silly drama unfortunately involving you recently I paid more attention and I just have to say I think you do a great job. Your high energy and ability to consistently produce quality vods and casting is very respectable and I enjoy it. This was a great interview you did and I want to thank you for all you do for sc2 and esports. I guess what they say, any publicity is good publicity since now I'm a fan and a supporter. Please continue to cast sc2 games as I think you're great for the community! | ||
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applejuice
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Whether he's your cup of tea or not, TB seems a passionate guy who does seem to try to constantly improve and who throws out a shit-ton of content which simply does open up SC2 to an additional audience. Even if you want to Negative Nancy it up, the last bit can only be good for the scene so get over it. Nice interview, thanks for the link  | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On February 27 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing? So just a question then, but why do you care so much what people here say about you? If you don't want to be liked by this demographic, and your product is explicitly not targeted towards it, why do you get so involved in drama including it? Just my opinion, but I feel like if you're going to be a public personality, you should be a little more thick skinned about it. Don't get so involved whenever anyone says anything bad about you. For example, watching and commenting in this thread is probably a bad idea. When people from this site and this community make fun of you - which will happen inevitably, as long as you are part of SC2 - you should not get involved, because that makes it a BFD when it doesn't have to be. In other words, don't make a product which is explicitly not for this community, and then expect this community to love you for it. | ||
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Co-lol-sus
Bulgaria141 Posts
Do you guys really think commentators are there to teach you strategies? | ||
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Puremiss
United States232 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:07 hmunkey wrote: I actually disagree entirely with your premise. The most popular casters are only popular because of luck and personality, not because of their non-analytical and casual style. Think about it: Husky is the number one caster along with HD because they were the first to get into SC2 Youtube casting, Breakycpk was pretty much the only caster for HoN for the longest time, etc. People mostly watch them because of availability now -- search SC2 in YT and you basically only get Husky's videos due to the number of views they've gotten now. Remember, when all those casters you named began to establish a viewerbase, they were pretty much the only ones around. There wasn't an abundance of casters for viewers to choose between. I agree that their initial success comes from what you mentioned. But their continued success is because they are much more appealing than analytical casters. What you seem to be saying is that the reason they are so popular is because people had to settle for them because there was no other choice. So why not the big exodus away from these excitement oriented play-by-play casters? Plus, that argument goes both ways just think about it. Day[9] the prime example of an analytical caster, began without any competition and rode the wave of SC2 initial excitement to become the caster that he is today. So I would say that he is only popular because he got lucky, starting out first before everyone else. And this would probably be the last thing I say because I would be ripped apart by hate. Day[9] is popular because of his analytical style and what he brings to the table. This goes exactly the same for casters like TB and Husky people tune into them because they like what these individual bring to a cast, not because they lucked out. If you do not consider Day[9]'s success to be luck and "no other competition" how can you consider Husky's? | ||
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Yusername
Sweden252 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Stiver
Canada285 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:41 Puremiss wrote: I agree that their initial success comes from what you mentioned. But their continued success is because they are much more appealing than analytical casters. What you seem to be saying is that the reason they are so popular is because people had to settle for them because there was no other choice. So why not the big exodus away from these excitement oriented play-by-play casters? Plus, that argument goes both ways just think about it. Day[9] the prime example of an analytical caster, began without any competition and rode the wave of SC2 initial excitement to become the caster that he is today. So I would say that he is only popular because he got lucky, starting out first before everyone else. And this would probably be the last thing I say because I would be ripped apart by hate. Day[9] is popular because of his analytical style and what he brings to the table. This goes exactly the same for casters like TB and Husky people tune into them because they like what these individual bring to a cast, not because they lucked out. If you do not consider Day[9]'s success to be luck and "no other competition" how can you consider Husky's? Except Day9 has a huge broodwar background/fanbase to start off. That wasn't luck, that was years of playing and acquiring game knowledge. Also he casts huge tournaments and people love him for it and Husky helped cast an MLG and that didn't go so well. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On February 27 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing? I can respect that. I have to admit I'm quite ignorant of your work but I can now see that its definitely a good thing for starcraft. I think I have a lot of negativity and drama associated with your name and developed a premature opinion from some of your opinionated statements directed at the starcraft community. | ||
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