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On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it.
Ok so I'm pretty sure he and Artosis are buddies based on everything Artosis says about him and vice versa, so that's just friendly joking around. Regarding TB: you'd be hard-pressed to find many other people who consider him to be a superior caster, but that aside, he's not really making things easy for himself with his replies to every silly thing iNc says. I'm pretty sure iNcontrol never made fun of HayprO (and in fact did the opposite) and he now considers SeleCT to be one of the best (if not the best) Terran in NA.
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to the point above, he NEVER bashed Select.
This idea that constructive criticism = bashing a player makes my head hurt on how outrageous it is.
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On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it.
On February 27 2011 12:49 iNcontroL wrote:
GET SOME
Oh god lol ahahahaha. <3<3<3<3 you iNcontroL.
Ah, I wish a magical unicorn would pick me up and take me to a world where people could make fun of each other without people getting their feelings hurt.
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On February 27 2011 12:02 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:12 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:05 Redmark wrote:what the fuck
day9 is the most passionate starcraft nerd right behind artosis. starcraft and what it is to him is an integral part of his identity. TB said himself he didnt give a fuck about sc1 and it will never be his scene. I dont understand how some of these newer commentators are such passionate esports/competitive rts fans when they only just show up to the party right when the game hits mainstream. How the fuck can i get excited about this guy casting a game he apparently never gave a shit about until it was lucrative enough for his business. Day9 began doing dailies with like 400 viewers casting entirely in obscurity and he kept doing it with no real business prospects. never compare these two guys please... please Demanding that a caster have a long history of broadcasting BW is a bit ridiculous. this isnt the point. he openly admits that he doesnt give a shit about sc1. thats enough evidence for me. i wouldnt enjoy a basketball cast of commentators admitting to "not give a shit about the game" if there was a younger up and coming sc2 caster who never played bw but admitted to being a huge passionate nerd who regularly gets giddy and nerd chills from awesome sc2 play, i'd love it. it has nothing to do with bw background it has to do with your attitude My god, are you retarded? TB said he was more interested in WC3 than SC1, yes, but that he loves SC2. He never said he doesn't give a shit about this game, so your comparison is just fucking stupid. You're stupid.
now whyd u have to go on and bring my mental retardation into this?
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On February 27 2011 12:54 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it. Ok so I'm pretty sure he and Artosis are buddies based on everything Artosis says about him and vice versa, so that's just friendly joking around. Regarding TB: you'd be hard-pressed to find many other people who consider him to be a superior caster, but that aside, he's not really making things easy for himself with his replies to every silly thing iNc says. I'm pretty sure iNcontrol never made fun of HayprO (and in fact did the opposite) and he now considers SeleCT to be one of the best (if not the best) Terran in NA.
... said the ignorant Incontrol fanboy, who's probably american.
You're just repeating Incontrol's silly excuses for acting like a total douchebag. Try using your own brain for once.
User was banned for this post.
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Glad to see a thread about this  Thought it was a great interview. Personally, I think TB has the most broadcast experience out of anyone currently in the business. He is definitely going to prove a valuable asset for E Sports going forward. Hope he sticks around for a long time....
Also, LOL at the 'merica bashing above me....
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Awesome interview.
I demand a grudgematch in sc2 aswell as in WoW in order to provide atleast some quality entertainment for the audience.
The price?
Whatever money the grudgematch generates goes to the winner aswell as the usual bragging rights.
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Yes TB might not be so awesome at Sc2(He admits it himself) but his commentaries are barely about the game analysis, you want that you watch day9. It is why his vids are called Shoutcraft. On a side note, he is the only person of the gamestation where I regulary watch his vids, for his WTF, Azeroth daily videos and Starcraft. He puts out so much content of high quality for that.
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On February 27 2011 13:05 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:54 hmunkey wrote:On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it. Ok so I'm pretty sure he and Artosis are buddies based on everything Artosis says about him and vice versa, so that's just friendly joking around. Regarding TB: you'd be hard-pressed to find many other people who consider him to be a superior caster, but that aside, he's not really making things easy for himself with his replies to every silly thing iNc says. I'm pretty sure iNcontrol never made fun of HayprO (and in fact did the opposite) and he now considers SeleCT to be one of the best (if not the best) Terran in NA. ... said the ignorant Incontrol fanboy, who's probably american. You're just repeating Incontrol's silly excuses for acting like a total douchebag. Try using your own brain for once.
LOL.
So it's more of a hating Americans things than anything else.
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On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it.
I honestly don't think it is a big deal most of the time, but I do agree that he needs to be thinker skinned if he is going to constantly bash other people, even if it is only in good fun.
I understand it's easy to hate InControL but he's really not such a bad guy (I'm not saying he's an angel). Just watch his stream and you'll probably see that (assuming you aren't hellbent on proving me wrong, which may very well be the case).
As for the interview... I'm 3/4 the way through and I'm liking it. I think TB is a good guy and approaches most situations in a fair and professional manner. He is someone who is easy to respect so I'm not sure why he gets so much crap. If you don't like play by play commentary then I would recommend not listening to him... but as someone who also enjoys watching artosis or day9, I still like TB's excitement.
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On February 27 2011 13:05 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:54 hmunkey wrote:On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it. Ok so I'm pretty sure he and Artosis are buddies based on everything Artosis says about him and vice versa, so that's just friendly joking around. Regarding TB: you'd be hard-pressed to find many other people who consider him to be a superior caster, but that aside, he's not really making things easy for himself with his replies to every silly thing iNc says. I'm pretty sure iNcontrol never made fun of HayprO (and in fact did the opposite) and he now considers SeleCT to be one of the best (if not the best) Terran in NA. ... said the ignorant Incontrol fanboy, who's probably american. You're just repeating Incontrol's silly excuses for acting like a total douchebag. Try using your own brain for once.
You do realize that other people don't get their feelings hurt as easily as you right? To me the stuff iNcontrol says is FUNNY, thats all, I don't take it seriously, he doesn't take it seriously, and no one he says it about takes it seriously other then TB for some reason.
Learn to take a god damn joke.
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Where can I listen or watch this parody from incontrol on TB I need a good laugh.
I don't have much to say on this as for a long time now I have known what type of guy totalbiscuit is. It is easy to say 'well don't listen to him' which I don't, but it is sometimes unavoidable :p
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anyone know where I can find an mp3 / audio stream of this interview? blip.tv seems retarded and is actually processing that 1 frame of video over and over again... Don't really want to waste the bandwidth on something that should just be only 60mb odd
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On February 27 2011 13:14 Azza wrote:Where can I listen or watch this parody from incontrol on TB I need a good laugh. I don't have much to say on this as for a long time now I have known what type of guy totalbiscuit is. It is easy to say 'well don't listen to him' which I don't, but it is sometimes unavoidable :p
I do believe these can be found on the last few State of the game Podcasts hosted by JP.
its thread is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494 with its official webpage being http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/ .
Enjoy!
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On February 27 2011 13:13 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it. I honestly don't think it is a big deal most of the time, but I do agree that he needs to be thinker skinned if he is going to constantly bash other people, even if it is only in good fun. I understand it's easy to hate InControL but he's really not such a bad guy (I'm not saying he's an angel). Just watch his stream and you'll probably see that (assuming you aren't hellbent on proving me wrong, which may very well be the case). As for the interview... I'm 3/4 the way through and I'm liking it. I think TB is a good guy and approaches most situations in a fair and professional manner. He is someone who is easy to respect so I'm not sure why he gets so much crap. If you don't like play by play commentary then I would recommend not listening to him... but as someone who also enjoys watching artosis or day9, I still like TB's excitement.
I don't know.. I wouldn't take this things seriously if this were about me.. but at the same time I don't like incontrol's attitude towards pretty much anything, he comes off as a very arrogant person, but whatever, I don't know him personally so I really can't tell, it's just what I get from him. Also, he seems very unprofessional at everything he does. If he wants e-sports to be srs bznz, then he needs to become serious, or he'll just fail.
Likewise, I like TB more since he seems a lot more professional at everything he does, he just seems more like a grown up in comparison to incontrol, even when he's spouting ridiculous things about a game lol.
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Well... finally finished that interview. Very interesting. I do believe things can be a bit of a vicious cycle. I believe you can't drive players forward without some financial backing. Whether that is being sponsored or just winning some small tournaments or both. If they can sacrifice that time to get better (instead spending that time at a regular job), you can produce some really good players. This is a game that requires a lot of practice after all. That's why I really like more live local events. It's kind of hard to fly around on a pro gamer's budget. And, dare I even say it, they could lock the event to local players only. Sure, it won't have zomg all the best players in the world, but how many Koreans have participated in foreign events? So it's really a moot point anyway.  At least a live LAN event kind of produces that effect without explicitly doing that. Sure you can come and compete... just buy your own plane ticket! MLG is filled with Americans. Sure some will say it's a noobfest. But the thing I like about it is that it fosters esports growth HERE. You don't have Koreans flying out to foreign events much. They don't need to.
And besides a local (big) event produces a spectacle for the local passerby. Promote the event locally, you will likely get some people to show up because they saw an ad and decided to make it a weekend out of it.
And to TotalBiscuit, if you're reading this, thanks for organizing your channel better. I hesitated to subscribe for a long time because I didn't want to be bombarded with WoW stuff in my inbox. Now I can just click the SC2 playlist. And I guess the new YouTube homepage is a little more helpful as crap as that is.
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On February 27 2011 12:37 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 27 2011 09:44 billyX333 wrote:
maybe shitting on is a strong word
but i dont like his dismissive attitude towards the community that drove the production of sc2. if the bw scene didnt exist there would have been no project to continue the franchise. the games are incredibly similar and have overlapping communities and fans. to not "give a shit" about the BW scene is a very peculiar statement to make when hes essentially broadcasting to a community that dearly loves everything starcraft You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing? So just a question then, but why do you care so much what people here say about you? If you don't want to be liked by this demographic, and your product is explicitly not targeted towards it, why do you get so involved in drama including it? Just my opinion, but I feel like if you're going to be a public personality, you should be a little more thick skinned about it. Don't get so involved whenever anyone says anything bad about you. For example, watching and commenting in this thread is probably a bad idea. When people from this site and this community make fun of you - which will happen inevitably, as long as you are part of SC2 - you should not get involved, because that makes it a BFD when it doesn't have to be. In other words, don't make a product which is explicitly not for this community, and then expect this community to love you for it.
It's a fairly difficult situation I'd guess. If you check TB's postcount, 890 posts is fairly significant so he's a part of the TL community. Even though his product is not aimed at Teamliquid lots of people still enjoy it, and those who don't, should be able to appreciate it for what it is, or at least keep their mindless negativity to themselves.
I do agree that TB needs to be a bit more thick skinned, it's been requirement for commentators in the SC community for as long as youtube commentators existed, but being thick skinned is probably more easily said than done, especially when the attacks come from respected members of the community. Still, I hope TB starts ignoring the hate and continues casting
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On February 27 2011 05:51 imbs wrote:
i am kind of confused as to how tb is so popular. i'm not trying to be mean here, but he offers next to zero insight into anything, wow included. do people really need a guy screaming through their headset about nothing in particular to make things exciting? i'm not trying to have a go at him or anything, its a great thing that he does so well, but he kinda ruins the games he commentates - for me at least.
It seems that a lot of people here on TL have the same feeling, i.e. they like casting which provides deep insight on the matchup, the timings and the game overall, preferrably from pro gamers (Artosis, Day9, IdrA, etc.). I would consider myself amongst these, too.
This is a topic TotalBiscuit addresses in the interview, as well, I think he called this type of casting "analytical style" as opposed to the "play-by-play", which is the type of casting he does. What he pointed out and what a lot of people have not fully accepted or realized, is that the people who prefer the "analytical casting" are a minority. The vast majority already are viewers who prefer the "play-by-play" stlye. To prove his point, he referred to the Youtube subscriber numbers.
Just to pick two very clear examples:
Husky: 407.288 subscribers
Artosis: 88.795 subscribers
Obviously, these numbers are debateable, given that Artosis does his channel as a side project, while for Husky, it's his main job, but the general idea cannot be challenged: The majority of people prefer "play-by-play" casting. I cannot stand Husky and I'm a big Artosis fan, but I cannot deny that most people will prefer the "play-by-play" style.
TotalBiscuit's comparison to traditional sports was quite convincing: In traditional sports, the commentary is not focused on deep analysis, it is on the emotions and the "play-by-play". Good commentators have the insight, but will focus on the the other aspects. The analytical side happens after the game. Maybe some remember the previous soccer World Cup, where there was a dedicated section for strategy analysis (how situations would have evolved differently if players would have taken different positions), but it was broadcasted after the game and only watched by a minority.
So his whole point was: With the growth of e-sports, that will happen to e-sports just alike. The focus will be on play-by-play because that is what the majority wants. And the numbers we see already point towards that fact. With this in mind, other factors become more important, such as professional phrasing (no "ahs", "uhms"). And this is something TotalBiscuit does excellently. I do understand his point and I am convinced that his SC2-casting is doing something good for the growth of e-sports.
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One thing I notice about this situation in general and TotalBiscuit clearing up the situation in a very calmly manner on this interview: At the moment, the scene seems to lack of "demagogic" diversity.
State of the Game is super popular, and that for a good reason, and I love it myself.
But it has reached a level of importance in the community that once a statement is done there, which is of course always to take with a grain of salt, it's hard to justify yourself if you don't get the opportunity to get on SotG yourself, even more yet now that djWheat has stopped his shows.
This is not a fault of SotG or JP by any means but even more the mistake of others not establishing comparable formats that counter-control each other, which I love even more that this interview was done, it's an opportunity for TB to point out his situation which you can LISTEN to instead of read it, or getting burried in the context of a cast.
That said, I enjoyed the whole interview, the questions were interesting, and TB expanded on them very well. And I love him still sticking around with us and even on here where I feel he got quite some unreasonable hate. Especially for someone that puts himself out with so much honesty, I feel it is so hypocrit how some people approach the topic. Listen to the interview in whole before posting your oppinion.
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On February 27 2011 13:00 dapanman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:47 Yusername wrote:
Incontrol really needs to shut his giant toad mouth and stop harassing people who are more talented casters (Artosis, TB)/greater players (HayprO, SeleCT) than him. If someone made fun of his weight (comparable to him making fun of TB's voice and Artosis being a jew) in front of a live audience on a regular basis I bet he'd be quite upset about that. Hell, you can't even criticize him in the forum without him bitching about it. Oh god lol ahahahaha. <3<3<3<3 you iNcontroL. Ah, I wish a magical unicorn would pick me up and take me to a world where people could make fun of each other without people getting their feelings hurt.
I admit I had to lol at that, too ;-). While it's fine for the player iNcontroL to make fun of people publicly, it won't be good if the caster and NASL-figurehead iNcontroL does that. Players talk bad about each other, that's good, that creates drama. Commentators do not rip on people, however (for anything but bad playing performance). People will move away from a commentator who does that. We all want the NASL to succeed massively (and I will be buying my premium tickets), and he has already stated that he will go for a more professional approach. So, as funny as this reply is, it is confusing in the overall picutre, especially in this particular thread.
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