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cool interview, hope you cast more sc2 events. fwiw for the most part what i care most about in a cast is a good voice, decent obsing and entertainment.
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I think he's got the right idea when he says a mixed type of caster event is the best thing, just look at tastosis. Artosis is clearly the more knowledgeable and analytical dude while tasteless talks a lot more and adds more excitement and play-by-play casting. This makes them gain in synergy with each cast and avoids collision between them, thus making the couple into the casting archon we all know and love.
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Thanks for the link. I'm a big fan of TB and i'm sure this will be a great listen. I've listened to TB way back in the WoW Radio days and I love what he has done with his website and youtube channel.
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I guess Khaldor gave some really nice analysis last week for the English speaking community that's why he got a lot of positive feedback ... oh wait ... it was because he was really excited and people got pumped even though we did not know what he was saying.
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what the fuck
day9 is the most passionate starcraft nerd right behind artosis. starcraft and what it is to him is an integral part of his identity. TB said himself he didnt give a fuck about sc1 and it will never be his scene. I dont understand how some of these newer commentators are such passionate esports/competitive rts fans when they only just show up to the party right when the game hits mainstream. How the fuck can i get excited about this guy casting a game he apparently never gave a shit about until it was lucrative enough for his business. Day9 began doing dailies with like 400 viewers casting entirely in obscurity and he kept doing it with no real business prospects. never compare these two guys please... please
There are people who have accused day9 of abandoning BW for the bigger scene.
It doesn't matter who it is. If not Day, then a whole bunch of people have been saying that "tasteless just doesn't care any more" etc. etc. My point is that you should care more about their casting than about their personal lives. If they don't really have passion for the game that's their problem, and if they're good enough casters you'd never know. When I listen to TB's casts I never think "oh this guy just doesn't care".
I'd like to note that TB has also been casting for a long time before he had any business prospects (per that story about his family). Even right now, SC2 is not a major source of revenue for him. Demanding that a caster have a long history of broadcasting BW is a bit ridiculous.
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I find TB to be a genuinely nice and upright person, and I love seeing him cast SC2.
I hope to see TB devote more of his time to SC2, especially if he starts playing it a lot himself. With more game knowledge, I'm sure TB would be among the absolute best casters for SC2. But that takes time and the utmost devotion to SC2, which TB don't seem to be able to afford at this moment, but who knows what the future will bring?
Anyway, we all know most internet communities are full of ignorant people, and tl and reddit is no exception. Haters are gonna hate.
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On February 27 2011 09:05 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +what the fuck
day9 is the most passionate starcraft nerd right behind artosis. starcraft and what it is to him is an integral part of his identity. TB said himself he didnt give a fuck about sc1 and it will never be his scene. I dont understand how some of these newer commentators are such passionate esports/competitive rts fans when they only just show up to the party right when the game hits mainstream. How the fuck can i get excited about this guy casting a game he apparently never gave a shit about until it was lucrative enough for his business. Day9 began doing dailies with like 400 viewers casting entirely in obscurity and he kept doing it with no real business prospects. never compare these two guys please... please Demanding that a caster have a long history of broadcasting BW is a bit ridiculous.
this isnt the point. he openly admits that he doesnt give a shit about sc1. thats enough evidence for me. i wouldnt enjoy a basketball cast of commentators admitting to "not give a shit about the game"
if there was a younger up and coming sc2 caster who never played bw but admitted to being a huge passionate nerd who regularly gets giddy and nerd chills from awesome sc2 play, i'd love it. it has nothing to do with bw background it has to do with your attitude
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On February 27 2011 08:51 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 08:45 Redmark wrote:On February 27 2011 08:38 billyX333 wrote:
I hope tb actually likes sc2 as an esport moreso than a business opportunity Honestly does it really matter? It could be that day9 really hates SC2 buts just hides it really well. what the fuck day9 is the most passionate starcraft nerd right behind artosis. starcraft and what it is to him is an integral part of his identity. TB said himself he didnt give a fuck about sc1 and it will never be his scene. I dont understand how some of these newer commentators are such passionate esports/competitive rts fans when they only just show up to the party right when the game hits mainstream. How the fuck can i get excited about this guy casting a game he apparently never gave a shit about until it was lucrative enough for his business. Day9 began doing dailies with like 400 viewers casting entirely in obscurity and he kept doing it with no real business prospects. never compare these two guys please... please
Yeah it rubs me the wrong way when you hear a SC2 commentator say that he doesn't care at all about Brood War.
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I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it.
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Is there a transcript for the interview anywhere?
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On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it.
LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. Bill roper still speaks highly of starcraft as if its a child of his. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...
I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude
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On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude
Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW?
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On February 27 2011 09:31 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW?
this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191078
On February 08 2011 02:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:13 ThisiswhyIdontjoinok wrote:On February 08 2011 01:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. So let me get this straight....Knowledge is based on the date joined to this crap half ass community? Is'nt your statement bold enough in its own right for even saying that...? So by your logic and reasoning, by which you have NONE, I myself do not know anything about anything since I just joined today.... The people that run this mainstream lamer website is just disgustingly more disgust by day by day. Teamliquid.net is just a newbie magnet and will always stay a newbie magnet. I dunno where the fuck this tirade came from. Tyler is right, I don't know the backstory of the competitive scene pre-SC2, I wasn't part of this community at that point, hell I didn't and still don't give a shit about Brood War, wasn't my scene, won't ever be my scene.
I question why a guy would be so dismissive of the broodwar community while simultaneously pretending to be so passionate about sc2
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On February 27 2011 09:15 Essentia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 08:51 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 08:45 Redmark wrote:On February 27 2011 08:38 billyX333 wrote:
I hope tb actually likes sc2 as an esport moreso than a business opportunity Honestly does it really matter? It could be that day9 really hates SC2 buts just hides it really well. what the fuck day9 is the most passionate starcraft nerd right behind artosis. starcraft and what it is to him is an integral part of his identity. TB said himself he didnt give a fuck about sc1 and it will never be his scene. I dont understand how some of these newer commentators are such passionate esports/competitive rts fans when they only just show up to the party right when the game hits mainstream. How the fuck can i get excited about this guy casting a game he apparently never gave a shit about until it was lucrative enough for his business. Day9 began doing dailies with like 400 viewers casting entirely in obscurity and he kept doing it with no real business prospects. never compare these two guys please... please Yeah it rubs me the wrong way when you hear a SC2 commentator say that he doesn't care at all about Brood War.
Comments like these make me shrug... seriously..
So you are saying, that if someone did not have an intrest in a game that is well over a decade old, that is extremely outdated, and which had a competative scene that wasn't even close to comparable to other games in the western scene, you will find it less enjoyable to hear him cast a game of an entirely different game that has nothing to do with sc1 in any way what so ever, which is establishing a greater playerbase aswell as fanbase throughout the western world?
Do you really blame these people for watching and loving a game that is popular?
The way you people (here's a terrible generalisation of elitist BW viewers) seem to think about sc2 is that if you did not have a great interest in sc1, you are inferior, and do not have a voice within the sc2 community.
Well, let me tell you this, dear elitist. You have just as much say in this scene as the 7 year old kid that got sc2 gifted for his birthday by his parents today, who actually doesn't even like the game and tossed it away.
That's right, you heard me, your influence and/or time put into starcraft 1, is COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT when it comes to sc2.
TB is a great caster, and if it wasn't for my personal need for analysis to enjoy watching sc2 games I would deffinitely tune in more. If he casts with an 'analyst' by his side his casts are awesome as hell and pretty much the best casting you can wish for. Just because he doesn't refer to builds like tasteless does occasionally saying stuff like 'this is just like TvP in BW, where the T controls the map with spider mines until the P gets detection!' or whatever it is happened back in BW.
Quite honestly, every time I hear such a referance to sc1, I want to slam my face into my desk. Not only because, once again, sc1 has nothing to do with sc2, but also because 99% of the viewers doesn't give a shit about BW and what it was like.
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On February 27 2011 09:32 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:31 Blondinbengt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW? this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191078Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 08 2011 02:13 ThisiswhyIdontjoinok wrote:On February 08 2011 01:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. So let me get this straight....Knowledge is based on the date joined to this crap half ass community? Is'nt your statement bold enough in its own right for even saying that...? So by your logic and reasoning, by which you have NONE, I myself do not know anything about anything since I just joined today.... The people that run this mainstream lamer website is just disgustingly more disgust by day by day. Teamliquid.net is just a newbie magnet and will always stay a newbie magnet. I dunno where the fuck this tirade came from. Tyler is right, I don't know the backstory of the competitive scene pre-SC2, I wasn't part of this community at that point, hell I didn't and still don't give a shit about Brood War, wasn't my scene, won't ever be my scene. I question why a guy would be so dismissive of the broodwar community while simultaneously pretending to be so passionate about sc2
You have a problem with the fact that he doesn't care about Brood War? I can't see that being an issue unless he intended to start casting BW. It's like he said, it wasn't his scene and likely won't ever be. He didn't shit on Brood War, he said it doesn't matter to him.
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On February 27 2011 09:32 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:31 Blondinbengt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW? this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191078Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 08 2011 02:13 ThisiswhyIdontjoinok wrote:On February 08 2011 01:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. So let me get this straight....Knowledge is based on the date joined to this crap half ass community? Is'nt your statement bold enough in its own right for even saying that...? So by your logic and reasoning, by which you have NONE, I myself do not know anything about anything since I just joined today.... The people that run this mainstream lamer website is just disgustingly more disgust by day by day. Teamliquid.net is just a newbie magnet and will always stay a newbie magnet. I dunno where the fuck this tirade came from. Tyler is right, I don't know the backstory of the competitive scene pre-SC2, I wasn't part of this community at that point, hell I didn't and still don't give a shit about Brood War, wasn't my scene, won't ever be my scene. I question why a guy would be so dismissive of the broodwar community while simultaneously pretending to be so passionate about sc2
Doesn't care about =/ shits on
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On February 27 2011 09:32 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:31 Blondinbengt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW? this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191078Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 08 2011 02:13 ThisiswhyIdontjoinok wrote:On February 08 2011 01:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. So let me get this straight....Knowledge is based on the date joined to this crap half ass community? Is'nt your statement bold enough in its own right for even saying that...? So by your logic and reasoning, by which you have NONE, I myself do not know anything about anything since I just joined today.... The people that run this mainstream lamer website is just disgustingly more disgust by day by day. Teamliquid.net is just a newbie magnet and will always stay a newbie magnet. I dunno where the fuck this tirade came from. Tyler is right, I don't know the backstory of the competitive scene pre-SC2, I wasn't part of this community at that point, hell I didn't and still don't give a shit about Brood War, wasn't my scene, won't ever be my scene. Doesn't matter how harsh he was in the delivery of the message, the message was on point and accurate. It's the internet, best not to get crazy offended because somebody pointed out that someone else is wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not what shitting on something means, ''I don't give a shit about BW'' is just a blunt way of saying ''I don't care about BW'', or am I crazy?
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On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it.
I have to agree,. Blizzard isn't in the video game business so that I or you or anyone else reading this gets to play SC2 or BW or any other game they produce.
just as Ford motor company isn't in the business of making cars just so people get to drive. Ford and Blizzard are in business to make money.
why else would you go into business??
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On February 27 2011 09:32 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:31 Blondinbengt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:29 billyX333 wrote:On February 27 2011 09:16 alexpnd wrote:
I haven't listened to this but the fact that people have to apologize for someone seeing opportunity in a video game, be it for money or something other, is a fucking joke. Grow up. Blizzard made millions off of BW, millions off of SC2 selling 3 million in the first month of release. Fuck. Blizzard is just in it for the money! What dishonest pricks. Get with it. LOL. This is the most skewed comparison i have ever read. Blizzard is a COMPANY not a PERSON. If Browder admitted to hating RTS games, i'd have questions...terribly off base comparison. I think its cool TB can make money off his "passion" I was originally for the guy until he essentially shits on sc1. Hes essentially an entertainer who we're supposed to feed off of... a criterion for his job is a love and passion for the game, how the fuck can anybody argue this? Its not about the money, its about his fucking "behind the scenes" attitude Do you mind providing a link to a quote/video/something where TB shits on BW? this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191078Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 08 2011 02:13 ThisiswhyIdontjoinok wrote:On February 08 2011 01:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. So let me get this straight....Knowledge is based on the date joined to this crap half ass community? Is'nt your statement bold enough in its own right for even saying that...? So by your logic and reasoning, by which you have NONE, I myself do not know anything about anything since I just joined today.... The people that run this mainstream lamer website is just disgustingly more disgust by day by day. Teamliquid.net is just a newbie magnet and will always stay a newbie magnet. I dunno where the fuck this tirade came from. Tyler is right, I don't know the backstory of the competitive scene pre-SC2, I wasn't part of this community at that point, hell I didn't and still don't give a shit about Brood War, wasn't my scene, won't ever be my scene. I question why a guy would be so dismissive of the broodwar community while simultaneously pretending to be so passionate about sc2
It's obviously because he's been fed spoonfulls of shit and doesn't care about it anymore. Are you passionate about wc2 community? Makes about as much sense.
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