EPTStream cheating
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Hartlin
Canada33 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Justin.tv is implementing a tape-delay feature so that there's about 5 minutes lag time between what happens and what the spectator sees, but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. | ||
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Hartlin
Canada33 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:20 Iplaythings wrote: Streaming tournament games is also very "not smart" in that manner, though the TL open was streamed by alot of players Well, there was a game between 2 players in the Finals of a tournament yesterday that was being streamed by someone who was observing the game, who could see everything that was happening, so I thought perhaps there was a way to prevent any cheating in that manner, but based on the replies here, it seems it's all based on the honor system. Appreciate the replies everyone. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
If, lets say, someone like Huk streams a game and ihs opponent watches it, there are two options: 1. Huk wins anyways because the other players doesnt want to look too suspicious and gets outplayed eventually 2. He reacts to everything just perfectly and will be banned from any tournament on TL in the future because thousands of people saw it and report it eventually | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. Joined TL.net Saturday, 20th of March 2010 I think that explains that! You have some bold opinions for how little you know. | ||
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Nuublet
Sweden130 Posts
Really all tournaments should do what the TL tournaments have been doing for ages and cast from replays (TL does this in ro16 and onwards I believe). | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nothing, other than the fact that if they're caught cheating they get blacklisted from every tournament in existence so it's not worth doing. Justin.tv is implementing a tape-delay feature so that there's about 5 minutes lag time between what happens and what the spectator sees, but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. haha it's like man you got no idea top players been cheating since 98's blizz pgls ! edit : also, problem is that very often, the guy cheating and winning ends up beeing a fairly competitive player anyway so it's kind of hard to tell without any 3rd party method. even pro gamers use to abuse and map hack ladder At first Koreans didn't have the reputation of playing good on bnet but beeing bad mouthed and arrogant map hackers :D | ||
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basic369
Sweden119 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:20 Bleak wrote: His respect towards the competition and his opponent. | ||
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knL
Germany400 Posts
btw I think tyler is in a bad mood :o | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nothing, other than the fact that if they're caught cheating they get blacklisted from every tournament in existence so it's not worth doing. Justin.tv is implementing a tape-delay feature so that there's about 5 minutes lag time between what happens and what the spectator sees, but in any tournament that matters, no player with the potential to win anything, would risk cheating. The bolded portion of your statement is so absurdly not true it's mind boggling. Years of history of cheating, abuse, and maphacking from top players in the international scene disagrees with you. I say this with all due respect since you're a relatively well known caster, but you're extremely wrong. Assuming what you in your post here will lead to an atmosphere of cheating. Until there is a delay implemented, no event with money should have a live stream. That's our stance on it. If some events want to ignore this, that's obviously their choice. But I would not be surprised at all, in fact I believe it more likely than not, that these events have already had cheating occur. There's no way to prove it but in the past, when players can cheat without being caught, some will cheat. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
I mean, yea maphacking, arranged matches bla bla bla. But actually watching your opponents stream? afaik most streams have a pretty big delay, i dont think watching it would help as much as people seem to think. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
Also if you're like me, you'll probably lag if playing with a stream in the background. (Day[9]) RAWR) | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On February 08 2011 01:39 Deadlyfish wrote: Has there ever been a case where someone was watching a livestream while playing that person? Maybe there has, but i cant remember anything like that. I mean, yea maphacking, arranged matches bla bla bla. But actually watching your opponents stream? afaik most streams have a pretty big delay, i dont think watching it would help as much as people seem to think. The problem is that it is impossible to prove. That's what makes it even more attractive to cheaters. You cannot prove someone is listening to the stream. No, most streams do not have a pretty big delay. Many are just streamed live. Where do you get that information? On February 08 2011 01:41 mizU wrote: There's generally a 5 second or so delay in most streams, but it's usually fairly easy to determine if someone is listening to a stream while playing... So most players don't do it. 5 seconds is definitely not enough. I'd say 3-5 minutes minimum. Even then, something said by casters as simple as "he's making a twilight council" or "he's taking a secret expansion" can give an advantage even minutes later. Also, "easy to determine" is not a deterrent, and just not true. You can have a friend listen to the stream and just tell you relevant information like build orders. None of this is easily proved. | ||
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