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Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
February 09 2011 17:34 GMT
#281
only cowards cheat
Wishing you well.
bentski
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada31 Posts
February 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#282
On February 10 2011 02:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 02:27 bentski wrote:
On February 10 2011 02:11 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 10 2011 02:10 bentski wrote:
Just because someone has cheated doesn't mean they should necessarily be blacklisted forever, or entirely forgiven, but in most major "proper" environments, people do get second chances. Why shouldn't it be so in Starcraft where it makes sense?


I guess the point is that if cheating literally ended the career of these progamers, then it would be more of a deterrent. For example, if after being caught cheating TT1 and Spades had been permanently banned from all starcraft tournaments, then you better believe other progamers would think long and hard before even considering cheating. Yes, you might lose some very talented progamers along the way, but I think the sacrifice would be worth it. Obviously you would only ban them when you're 100% sure they cheated.

Personally I was also surprised at the willingness to forgive cheaters in this community. I think it was when TT1 was in the finals of MLG with Jinro (I hope I'm remembering this correctly) that I first heard TT1 had cheated in the past... and all I could think was "How are they even letting him play?" ... it kind of soured the whole thing for me. And I don't think I'm alone here.


There is no sport on the planet I can think of that blacklist's players for all time because of one incident. It's just a bad policy. Plus doing this would not stop cheating, people will cheat even knowing they could be banned forever.


You may have a point, but why is it just "bad policy" if you don't mind me asking? I guess I'd have to say that e-sports and regular sports are completely different, and so I don't think we need to rely on other sports to tell us how to deal with cheating. In e-sports you're just an anonymous ID tag behind a computer screen (in online tourneys at least), which I think encourages cheating... so perhaps we should be more harsh than traditional sports?

And no it probably would not stop cheating completely, but I do think it would deter it. Again, perhaps 100% perm-banning cheaters isn't the right answer, but I still think the SC community is too forgiving to cheaters.


Spades' name is pretty well known, he's not hiding behind a tag. It's no different then Georges St Pierre being known as "Rush" or "GSP". It's just a nickname...

It's bad policy because you may end up banning very good players over one indiscretion years ago when the stakes were not as high. If you were not around in BW it was not like the SCII scene, there was not daily tournaments, or really any non Korean tournaments. Most players made nothing and played BW in hopes of maybe winning $1,000 a year. We all make mistakes (god knows I've made plenty of my own) but when a person is very skilled feels bad for what they did in the past I think they deserve a second chance. Notice how most of the SC community members are very accepting of TT1 and Spades but almost no one likes LastShadow (ajtls). Why? because Spades and TT1 have apologized and shown steps to leave that in the past while LastShadow repeatedly apologized then turned around and hacked over and over and over again.


Fair enough. You definitely know a lot more about this so I'll take your word for it. I guess all I can say is cheating sucks. Everyone suffers... the players, the tournaments, the viewers, the community.

From your post it seems the BW era was quite different, and since we haven't had any known major cheating incidents in SCII, we'll just have to wait and see how the community reacts to it now.
times ten
towerranger
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria134 Posts
February 09 2011 17:54 GMT
#283
many streamer use a 5 minute delay when streaming tournament games
njfail
Profile Joined October 2010
United States127 Posts
February 09 2011 18:12 GMT
#284
Yeah, I think it would probably be best to stream from a replay, and if its a smaller tournament where the replays can be made public instantly, they can start the stream right after the first match ends, and then they'll have a collection of replays to stream from after that.

A delay is also a pretty good idea; but it still might not work out in some situations. if the player hides an expansion, 5 minutes later it could still be relevant info.

I know that during some of my past tournaments, I've listened to the live stream while I watched the games, I think some ppl in this thread are thinking that the players 'cheating' are actually WATCHING the streams, as opposed to just listening. Watching it and playing would probably be more hassle than its worth, unless you have a dual monitor setup.
eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
February 09 2011 19:34 GMT
#285
Some tournaments review all replays to check for cheating. A few people were banned from a recent one I was in for suspicious behavior. It makes me nervous though. I had specifically asked at one event to not allow spectators; I had been studying my opponent vigorously, and knew he would move a reaper on my northern wall at 5:48. I moved my marines up there at that time, and sure enough, a reaper flew though and I killed it.

I know if I had spectators, I would've more than likely been banned.
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