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On March 01 2011 08:52 diophant wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 08:42 NotJack wrote:
Really e-sports are not like real sports, especially in how casters present the material. People who don't understand Basketball don't need a commentator to get them excited, and people who do understand Basketball don't need a commentator at all.
People who don't understand Starcraft (which is a much higher % then those for those other sports) need a commentator to teach them how to get excited; people who understand need them to properly observe. I disagree. As a huge basketball and Starcraft fan, I can tell you the play by play and color commentary greatly impact how much I enjoy both. I understand basketball quite well, but a good commentator will not only understand it better, but also have access to information I would not. Here is a great example of a commentator making a quite exciting moment significantly more exciting.
I was hoping you would link one of Marv Albert's many "YES" moments, especially during the Jordan era. =)
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On March 01 2011 21:07 kazansky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 08:59 NotJack wrote:
You're missing the point.
Of course a commentator raising his voice will increase the excitement, but a basketball commentator doesn't need to say that someone jumping 10 feet in the air to dunk is a good move.
Starcraft commentators need to explain how a good response or good building placement or even more obvious things like good micro is entertaining, for the casuals because they don't know, and for the veterans because they aren't in the game watching freely. You are also missing a point. Watching a basketball game as sitting in the stadium is not the same as watching an esports game via stream or even live event, it is more like having a spec spot (like on WaaghTV or HLTV), you are comparing apples and grapes with some of you're arguments. Compare commentated content with commentated content or not commentated with not commentated, don't mix them up to make your point.
Yeah I was about say this.
The spectacle is being amongst a shitload of cheering fans, being carried on the wave of emotion and excitement. You do not get that outside of a stadium environment and as a result you need a commentator to convey that excitement which you are missing by not being there.
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I like TB's accent. It's better than the americanization of the language which is brutally raping it.
I haven't spent alot of time with all the drama surrounding TB but frankly who cares that much?
He's good for SC2, no one can deny that. He brings people in and that is what matters at the moment to be honest.
He might no appeal to everyone, nor does he have to.
I like him at times.
Something that InControl and other prominent figures in the SC2 community really need to stop doing is spewing shit on people when it's not needed. I love InControls humour I really do and I love him for bashing on things but sadly every time he does the crowd goes apeshit about it and blows it out or proportion.
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I was somewhat unsure how to begin this paragraph, but here goes.
A lot of people do not seem to realize just how helpful having a good "play-by-play" caster is in a casting duo/for a small tournament. As a relatively new caster I have found that it is a LOT easier to find a good analyst then to find a good shout caster. Personally I try to stick to a more analytical style, pointing out the good decisions and explaining the logic behind certain moves, as opposed to a shout casting style because it is a lot easier to commit to and do well. To be a good analyst you really just have to have a decent vocabulary, read the forums(sometimes you should ignore this point), watch the high level gameplay (GSL, IEM, TSL etcetc), and have a decent understanding of the game. To be a good shout caster means having true feeling in your voice, you have to be able to bring the excitement that you feel for a certain move or game to the audience.
Total biscuit, in my opinion, is a great shout caster because he can bring his excitement to the audience so clearly. He has sub-par analytic skills when it comes to sc2 but he brings something that a good analyst can rarely bring, a sense of energy beyond the basic that involves the average audience member in the excitement.
Also, this audio clip was a very entertaining and insightful listen. While I sometimes may not enjoy listening to his casts, or that of other shout casters, I still believe that he is an important person in the starcraft 2 current commentating field and anything that allows me to gain a greater knowledge of who he is and what he does is a good thing.
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I have the SC2 Casts app on my iPhone.. I watch a cast every single morning while I wait for the shower to warm up.. If given the option, i ALWAYS choose a TB game.. I've been playing SC for 13 years so I'd consder myself someone who isn't new to the game so while I don't fit his typical demographic, I enjoy his casts more than anyone else.. He is funny and does a good job with the play by play aspect of the game. I do not understand for the life of me the negative attitudes towards TB.. If I were sponsoring an event, he would be my caster of choice just for the sheer fact that he is entertaining to listen to.. Does he know as much as day[9]? No.. but that doesn't mean he isn't a good caster..
Keep it up TB, you have a ton of fans both here and outside TL..
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I like TB since I saw his first "I suck at Starcraft 2" episode.
TotalBiscuit not only provides great entertainment, I actually learnt quite a bit from him explaining basics.
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On March 01 2011 10:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The flow of your average broadcast sport commentary is play-by-play when relevant (which depending on the sport will usually be the majority of the time), analysis and colour during downtime. This is also how it should operate in SC2. Analysis should be done in the lulls, play-by-play should take up the airtime where anything of immediate significance is happening. This should be done by a commentary team with the strongest, most broadcast-friendly voice taking the lead as play-by-play.
And you think YOU have that voice eh????
I'd agree. =)
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On March 02 2011 08:24 italiangymnast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 10:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The flow of your average broadcast sport commentary is play-by-play when relevant (which depending on the sport will usually be the majority of the time), analysis and colour during downtime. This is also how it should operate in SC2. Analysis should be done in the lulls, play-by-play should take up the airtime where anything of immediate significance is happening. This should be done by a commentary team with the strongest, most broadcast-friendly voice taking the lead as play-by-play. And you think YOU have that voice eh???? I'd agree. =)
I'm nowhere near the level I want to be when it comes to broadcast technique, I cringe everytime I make an error in enunciation or slip on a word (no doubt some of you do too). Maybe someday.
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keep up the good work TB!!when we watch you we dont only have the game (that sometime is boring when its turtle or not top tier players)but we have a "show" too . Samething as the casting archon , with your own style
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What's hilarious is that TB, Husky, and HD bring people to this game on a daily basis. And some oldschool players seem confused and don't realize this is WONDERFUL for the community. Not every player is going to be masters/pro level; but not many people are going to play long after the game is brand new, if there isn't something entertaining about it.
There seems to be a lot of people that need to get off their high horse and realize that more people enjoying the game is a good thing. So you're better than all of the noobs watching TB or Husky. Grats! Now step back for a second and think. More people involved in E-sports = more people supporting the thing we all love.
STFU with your complaints about casters unless you can cast better and get more viewers.
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On March 02 2011 18:52 Bazing wrote:
What's hilarious is that TB, Husky, and HD bring people to this game on a daily basis. And some oldschool players seem confused and don't realize this is WONDERFUL for the community. Not every player is going to be masters/pro level; but not many people are going to play long after the game is brand new, if there isn't something entertaining about it.
There seems to be a lot of people that need to get off their high horse and realize that more people enjoying the game is a good thing. So you're better than all of the noobs watching TB or Husky. Grats! Now step back for a second and think. More people involved in E-sports = more people supporting the thing we all love.
STFU with your complaints about casters unless you can cast better and get more viewers.
I agree with this (except for the last sentence). When I first started playing SC2 (I played broodwar way back when it came out but I was nowhere near good), I actually learned a lot from casters like TB! If at that point I would have watched Artosis or PsY, I would have been discouraged. What people don't realize is that there is A LOT that you can learn from play-by-play commentary, it's just that when you get better, those things become like second nature to you so you don't think about them anymore.
I do find Husky, TB, and HD boring now as I have moved up the ladder, but I am extremely grateful that they do exist as I only got there because they got me started. They offer a valid contribution to the community and that should be recognized.
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Yes.
Often if someone just purchased SC2 and asks how he can win a game since the opponent rushes him within the first minutes, leaving him no chance to build any sizable army, he get the advise to watch Day[9]. But even the Dailies for the beginners are targeting to Silver league players at least.
But one can recommend TotalBiscuits "I suck at Starcraft 2" because TB really explains from the very beginning. I think the "suck@sc2" series is a great contribution to get the community growing.
TB not only shows passion for SC2, he is also able to share it and to "infect" other people to play the game.
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On March 03 2011 00:02 KallWest wrote:
I do find Husky, TB, and HD boring now as I have moved up the ladder, but I am extremely grateful that they do exist as I only got there because they got me started. They offer a valid contribution to the community and that should be recognized.
Agreed, I remember watching through hours and hours of their videos when I was new to the game.
I was a huge fan of Husky's until I started really following e-sports and all of the tournaments. It's hard to believe someone is really into expanding e-sports knows so little about what's happening in the GSL, some of the larger tournaments and doesn't recognize some of the great players. Maybe he's really busy, but I feel like someone that wants to help expand e-sports would keep up with all the big tournaments, know most of top tier players from at least EU/US. The last Husky video I watched was an Adelscott game in which Husky thought Adel was a clan. Maybe AS isn't too mainstream, but I learned and recognized who Adel was pretty early on. I can't help but think Husky is into for more money any more, but that's just my own personal opinion.
I actually used to check the old Starcraftarena boards more than I did TL (don't flame me!), and after how much Husky/HD just gave up on it, that really turned me off as well.
I'm fine with people actually living off of casting like some of these guys do, but I don't like it when they lose their true personal involvement and seemingly cast for monetary reasons only.
Honestly, I wasn't the biggest fan of TB's either after reading a post of his on TL someplace (Someone asked if TB would cast their wedding, and he replied I'm a greedy whore, I'll do anything for cash(Based off memory, I can't remember at all what post that was in). The comment was obviously in jest, but it was still disheartening. However, I enjoyed the interview and it's changed my perspective a bit.
Best of luck in your future endeavors, TB.
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