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For those who have missed it:
TotalBiscuit has given a very interesting one hour audio interview to SC2Reddit, it can be found at http://blip.tv/file/4803712 (sadly, no audio only (yet))
Audio Only (thanks to cursedfeanor)
On March 01 2011 06:53 CursedFeanor wrote:For convenience, I've extracted the audio track and converted it to a 128kbps mp3 file to be able to listen to this interview in the car tomorrow! I suppose this could be useful to others as well so I share it with you guys (54 MB file) : SCreddit - TotalBiscuitInterview.mp3enjoy! 
Timestamp
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00:00 - Introduction
02:00 - eSports and SCReddit from an investors perspective
05:50 - The brand CynicalBrit.com
07:30 - State of the Game controversy and his business and SC2 casting state
16:00 - His oppinion on and love for starcraft
18:50 - eSports developement and growth potential
22:30 - NASL and the Jinro vs Idra Showmatch production
32:45 - Casting skills, experience and improvement
38:00 - Play-by-play-style casting and his gaming background
41:30 - Plans on co-casting
44:50 - Live events in near future
46:30 - UK eSports scene
50:45 - Future projects
54:00 - Wrapping up
He covers later drama regarding his SC2 casters career and the developement around State of the Game, his general company model, his oppinion on SC2 and esports in general, and NASL as far as I listened, and its only halfway through.
Other topics covered are his style of casting and why he casts how he casts, his oppinion to some other casters, and the outview of co-casting with other casters that are more analytical compared to him being play-by-play.
He also adresses the state of esports in United Kingdom.
Worth listening as he is as most know very well worded and the questions are interesting.
In Spoiler: Statements of TotalBiscuit in this thread,
regarding different issues that came up while the discussion, for the sake of information
+ Show Spoiler +About his casting career in SC2...+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2011 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 02:38 Aberu wrote:
Yes we are missing out on someone who knew as much about Starcraft as some random person that could be pulled off the street when he started casting.
Not an insult, just he didn't exist in the community of Starcraft until he saw potential dollar signs in SC2, and less potential dollar signs in WoW. This is nonsensical. I started casting SC2 when the beta came out, while I was working at a Financial Advisory, almost 6 months before I got a Youtube partnership. During this time my output of WoW-themed content vastly increased. People seem to forget this, probably a result of making assumptions based on incomplete or false information. On February 27 2011 07:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 06:12 imbs wrote:
Surely it should be the game itself that generates the excitement for you? if you need a guy to scream at you before you think something that is goin on in a sc game is exciting then maybe watchin starcraft isn't for you? This is an interesting and rather odd thing to bring up honestly. I can understand people not liking pure play-by-play. I myself admit in the interview that were it logitistically possible, I would co-commentate 100% of the time with an analytical partner and focus purely on the play-by-play. What I am doing is not optimal, it is not what I should be doing, but I am left with little choice because on a logistical, practical and technical level, it is the lesser of two evils. It comes down to subjective preference, some prefer analysis, others prefer play-by-play, others prefer a mix. I don't like dubstep, doesn't mean it's an invalid form of music and people who like it are dumb or whatever. However what I cannot understand is the quoted attitude, because it doesn't gel with what actually happens in broadcast sports. Every broadcast sport I can think of has this. It is there for a reason, it heightens the drama, it conveys the passion, it enhances the viewing experience. I'd turn around and say to anyone that asks that question, well if you can't get along with that kind of commentary, maybe sports in general isn't for you? Professional sports commentators scream even more than I do and they are sometimes being paid millions a year to do it and those events are some of the most watched spectacles in the world. That is what broadcast sport is, that is what broadcast eSport should, in my opinion be. There is little reason to deviate from a proven formula. On February 27 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:44 billyX333 wrote:
maybe shitting on is a strong word
but i dont like his dismissive attitude towards the community that drove the production of sc2. if the bw scene didnt exist there would have been no project to continue the franchise. the games are incredibly similar and have overlapping communities and fans. to not "give a shit" about the BW scene is a very peculiar statement to make when hes essentially broadcasting to a community that dearly loves everything starcraft You're implying that Teamliquid is my primary demographic. It's not, I don't market towards the more hardcore players, I do the opposite, I market towards newer/casual/non-players in the hope it will bring them further into the community. The 40 year old guy who hated RTS until he watched my videos then took the plunge, bought SC2 after never playing an RTS since Dune 2 and started his career in bronze league, is the guy I'm interested in (this is a true story). I make this very clear in my SHOUTcraft thread, it's worth a read if you're interested in my targetted demographic and what I'm trying to actually do. Brood War is not really of any relevance to what I do. I'm not sure why people would find that offensive. I am also a big WoW coveragererer, I don't really give a shit about Warcraft 3. Same thing?
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this should be interesting 
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I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him.
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On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him.
LOL this. sorry. =[
on another note, its hour long. some interesting stuff tho. but probably wanna skip some bits.
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On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him.
Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent.
on topic, this interview is very interesting and thank you for bringing it to our attention
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On February 27 2011 01:42 Inkcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him. Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent. on topic, this interview is very interesting and thank you for bringing it to our attention
Well I listened to the first 15 minutes and it was just him trying to save face and defend himself the entire time.
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On February 27 2011 01:47 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 01:42 Inkcrow wrote:On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him. Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent. on topic, this interview is very interesting and thank you for bringing it to our attention Well I listened to the first 15 minutes and it was just him trying to save face and defend himself the entire time.
But what TB is mostly true. JP did made a mistake by not finding out the fact.
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This is quite an interesting interview. TB is sounding like a father showing moderation and prudence to a bunch of kids. He sounds like a very serious and somewhat business knowledgeable guy.
He also does a nice critic comment about Idra vs Jinro showmatch without being aggressive or bashing anyone, that's pretty nice. He could be a very influential figure for SC2, particularly if he can manage to grow SC2 into his HUGE viewership, which as he says is like 90% composed of WoW/other games' communities.
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wow this interview is so interesting with the whole STOG/incontrol/IdrA situation.
didn't know that Husky helped Artosis with putting up long videos on youtube !
also love that he is so honest on his limits with knowledge and he is just embrasing his strong sides (exitement ect)
Khaldor & TotalBiscuit casting is gonna : be amazing :D, first Day9, soon TB <3
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On February 27 2011 01:42 Inkcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him. Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent.
I lol'd.
+ Show Spoiler +Not sure if you did a parody or not though 
This is going to be interesting, hoping it'll be less interview and more talking though. Considering the length I have no doubts it is, as said, this'll be interesting.
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TB seems like a twat, the more I hear from him the less I like him. He makes it seem like he cares ohh soo much about e-sport community, when in fact the "business" side of it is so much more important. This is human, so no harm there. Except that ppl have such a fucking hard time to admit it, dont stroll around and act like you are some saviour of e-sports..
Also, his "humour" is just not funny. To then go on this shit and just make excuses about stuff is just lame. If he is so sure that IdrA and INcontroL is trolling, why does he even fucking bother then? I mean come on TB, you are a grown man, leave it be if it doesnt get to you.
The fact that you make an hour long apology is just confirming that the trolling is successful. And this found love of SC? Where did this come from? Did you do anything in BW at all? Or are u just jumping on the train now that the cash starts rolling into SC2?
And lets face it, you praise Husky cuz he is your mate, because we both know he is a utter shitty caster, everyone else knows it aswell.
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On February 27 2011 02:29 Rylaji wrote:
TB seems like a twat, the more I hear from him the less I like him. He makes it seem like he cares ohh soo much about e-sport community, when in fact the "business" side of it is so much more important. This is human, so no harm there. Except that ppl have such a fucking hard time to admit it, dont stroll around and act like you are some saviour of e-sports..
Also, his "humour" is just not funny. To then go on this shit and just make excuses about stuff is just lame. If he is so sure that IdrA and INcontroL is trolling, why does he even fucking bother then? I mean come on TB, you are a grown man, leave it be if it doesnt get to you.
The fact that you make an hour long apology is just confirming that the trolling is successful. And this found love of SC? Where did this come from? Did you do anything in BW at all? Or are u just jumping on the train now that the cash starts rolling into SC2?
And lets face it, you praise Husky cuz he is your mate, because we both know he is a utter shitty caster, everyone else knows it aswell.
Hmmm.. so much failhate in this post. He openly admits he sees the business side of it, and also talks about how SC2 time is actually not a very good thing for him considering the vast majority of his viewership does not come from SC2 (remember that compared to wow's player base, SC2 is a niche game).
Asking if he did any BW at all just confirms you didn't listen to the interview lol.
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On February 27 2011 01:42 Inkcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him. Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent. on topic, this interview is very interesting and thank you for bringing it to our attention
Yes we are missing out on someone who knew as much about Starcraft as some random person that could be pulled off the street when he started casting.
Not an insult, just he didn't exist in the community of Starcraft until he saw potential dollar signs in SC2, and less potential dollar signs in WoW. There's no problem with that, he has a very professional voice, is very creative, and is good at what he does for the most part. He is a professional, he went where the viewers went. But most people have a problem with that, there are casters who have been around in Starcraft when there was no point other than sacrificing your own time for free for something you love, and there are brand new casters who came in because they saw potentially being the next husky or HD. Aka $$$. Now they aren't rich, just they are doing something they like to do (talk about games), and getting paid for it.
EDIT: Just so you know, I listened to total biscuit back in the day on warcraft radio when he first started out. I like his work quite a bit.
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On February 27 2011 02:38 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 01:42 Inkcrow wrote:On February 27 2011 01:24 SovSov wrote:
I can't take TotalBiscuit's voice seriously after Incontrol did a parody of him. Congratulations, you are now missing out on entertaining content from someone devoted to growth of Esports and the SC2 community because someone did a australian accent. on topic, this interview is very interesting and thank you for bringing it to our attention Yes we are missing out on someone who knew as much about Starcraft as some random person that could be pulled off the street when he started casting. Not an insult, just he didn't exist in Starcraft until he saw potential dollar signs in SC2, and less potential dollar signs in WoW. There's no problem with that, he has a very professional voice, is very creative, and is good at what he does for the most part. He is a professional, he went where the viewers went. But most people have a problem with that, there are casters who have been around in Starcraft when there was no point other than sacrificing your own time for free for something you love, and there are brand new casters who came in because they saw potentially being the next husky or HD. Aka $$$. Now they aren't rich, just they are doing something they like to do (talk about games), and getting paid for it. EDIT: Just so you know, I listened to total biscuit back in the day on warcraft radio when he first started out. I like his work quite a bit.
How is it different than gamers who switched from other games because the money's in SC2, even if they like the game less.
The quality of his casts is great and he's a professional guy who is active in the community. Great interview.
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I don't really care about his business stuff, if he can make a living from it go him! I just can't stand to listen to him. I don't understand how anyone likes this kind of commentary, but Husky and HD have a ton of fans as well so I guess it's the same fans. I just prefer some more intelligent casting, you can see for yourself what's happening on the screen.
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I've listened to know Blue Plz! (TB's podcast) since it started, he takes himself very seriously nowadays because he cares guys. Like not a hobby, his livelyhood comes from video content as he mentions at the start. The fact that Geoff and JP called him out without really knowing anything beyond rumours is pretty sad and well, typical Geoff.
TB is the sort that is constantly stressed because people do call him out for his insecurities. I like and love both SOTG/Geoff but honestly I think this is the sort of stupidity that gives Geoff, NASL and the TL/SOTG crowd a bad name. I know Incontrol apologised after several bashings but clearly TB didn't take it as a joke I just don't understand why Incontrol wasn't mature enough to realise the joke got old as soon as TB was genuinely offended.
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whether incontrol wants to believe this or not is his prerogative but if hes starting a tournament with that big of a prize pool that wants television coverage to eventually rival korean e-sports down the line then he is going to need to start carrying himself in a more professional and less trollish manner in "public". e-sports looks a lot more viable to big sponsors when you have professional casters showing up in suits with a professional demeanor in a casting studio that looks like ESPN sportscenter. if these "big names" in the community start to get more professional about things then maybe the rest of the country will take it a bit more serious when they see it for the first time.
i dont understand the hate for TB. i played broodwar at a fairly good level for 7-8 years before SC2 and play sc2 at a fairly good masters level without many games and I enjoy him more than any other caster by far. i don't need someone to tell me every little thing that is going on because I know what is going on. his excitement is great and his british accent makes me feel like im watching a european soccer match. if you want to team him up with someone like day9 that knows a lot about the game maybe it would be perfect for a big event. he is professional, admits he doesnt know the most about the game, is passionate and plays to his strengths very very well. he is a play by play guy like he says and people need accept him for what he is. he is not trying to be a caster with in-depth knowledge and not everyone is even in professional sports. Joe Buck does multiple sports and barely knows shit about any of them yet he has analysts with him that take it over when it is time to analyze.
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It's weird, I'm English and find TB's accent harder to listen to than kellymilkies, no one talks like that - it's not natural :<
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