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Dr. Nick
Australia36 Posts
On February 26 2011 16:23 iruehl wrote: i think this change is bad for protoss, in late game toss need something to prevent the dropship harass. Yeah k, but give Terran something to prevent insta-storm on mineral lines from a proxy pylon. Oh wait, they just did. | ||
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mikejer
United States34 Posts
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Elwar
953 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:31 Dr. Nick wrote: Yeah k, but give Terran something to prevent insta-storm on mineral lines from a proxy pylon. Oh wait, they just did. Terran has this wonderful thing called a sensor tower. I know most players don't realise it exists, but it would detect any pylon or any warp prism is a massive radius. Kind of hard to get the ultra-slow HTs anywhere near mineral lines if the terran is paying attention. Much harder than say, blue-flame hellions. | ||
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
an upgrade that gives u bonus energy when u make a unit only helps when u make it, not any time after. its the same with ghosts and infesters. it normally isnt that bad, but since that was terran biggest complaint (imo) about late game toss, i think its a pretty big nerf and since when does nerfing one unit mean buffing another lol? no archon buff. hydra buff. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
*sigh* | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
I think they should have changed it so Psi Storm costs 150/150 from 200/200 Khadarian Amulet costs 100/100 from 150/150 Kahdarian Amulet gives +15 energy (from +25). Would make it still a very useful upgrade, but it would eliminate the "oh, I see him right about to drop, imma warp in a unit instead of having to be prepared." | ||
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dthree
Australia150 Posts
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Elwar
953 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:48 FabledIntegral wrote: Would make it still a very useful upgrade, but it would eliminate the "oh, I see him right about to drop, imma warp in a unit instead of having to be prepared." Maybe they should do something about drops been so hard to prepare for without overcommitting. MMM requires a disproportionate response of gateway units. HTs have been central for protoss defending while on multiple bases. Without them you will be massively cost-ineffective defending a small drop. | ||
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funkybovinator
United States23 Posts
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thesauceishot
Canada333 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:41 Elwar wrote: Terran has this wonderful thing called a sensor tower. I know most players don't realise it exists, but it would detect any pylon or any warp prism is a massive radius. Kind of hard to get the ultra-slow HTs anywhere near mineral lines if the terran is paying attention. Much harder than say, blue-flame hellions. ROFL, owned. | ||
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Avaloch
241 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:52 Elwar wrote: Maybe they should do something about drops been so hard to prepare for without overcommitting. MMM requires a disproportionate response of gateway units. HTs have been central for protoss defending while on multiple bases. Without them you will be massively cost-ineffective defending a small drop. I think that this upgrade is essential to allow Protoss to deal with multi-prong attacks from any race. Considering how immobile the Protoss army is, I think it's only fair that they have this upgrade. | ||
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Logginurkeyz
United States375 Posts
Although, it still doesn't completely negate using HT's to deal with drop harass, as they will still warp in with enough energy for a feedback... Essentially meaning you could warp in some zealots and an HT- insta-feedback the medivac to prevent the drop from escaping (assuming the medivac has enough energy to die to feedback). So rather than just storming a drop- it costs you 50 minerals and 150 gas to remove a medivac and force the terran into saccing that bit of supply- assuming you clean it up by warping in other gateway units. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:52 Elwar wrote: Maybe they should do something about drops been so hard to prepare for without overcommitting. MMM requires a disproportionate response of gateway units. HTs have been central for protoss defending while on multiple bases. Without them you will be massively cost-ineffective defending a small drop. Because, you know, it's not like P didn't utterly trash T lategame, right? HT were the reason it was so friggin' imba, and warpin storms were the reason. | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:58 FabledIntegral wrote: Because, you know, it's not like P didn't utterly trash T lategame, right? HT were the reason it was so friggin' imba, and warpin storms were the reason. You just completely ignored the content of my post (and your first one) to go on a rant. Wierd. | ||
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Dr. Nick
Australia36 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:41 Elwar wrote: Terran has this wonderful thing called a sensor tower. I know most players don't realise it exists, but it would detect any pylon or any warp prism is a massive radius. Kind of hard to get the ultra-slow HTs anywhere near mineral lines if the terran is paying attention. Much harder than say, blue-flame hellions. Yet any half-decent Protoss would abuse the fact that you have the tower by faking aggression / forcing Terran to focus on one area of the map. | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
On February 26 2011 19:02 Dr. Nick wrote: Yet any half-decent Protoss would abuse the fact that you have the tower by faking aggression / forcing Terran to focus on one area of the map. To what end? Is this why terrans are not using sensor towers? *Too much* information? If protoss is posturing somewhere and you see blips elsewhere, you wouldn't just ignore them would you? I just can't fathom how protoss can turn this to their advantage. How is it better to simply have no idea whats going on than some general idea as to what volume of enemy units is in what area near your base, even if the enemies just there to show up on your minimap... | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On February 26 2011 18:58 FabledIntegral wrote: Because, you know, it's not like P didn't utterly trash T bio lategame, right? HT were the reason it was so friggin' imba, and staying on T1 tech was the reason. | ||
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
Edit: I don't understand this talk about warping in an HT to take care of a drop. That doesn't seem very realistic to be quite frank. Usually it's stalkers that handle a drop, and maybe a feedback on the medivac. If you're unprepared for a drop, and try to stop it with a storm, nothing is going to stop the terran from simply moving out of the storm, and basically take 0 damage, since he has a medivac right there healing. And since you weren't prepared, you don't have any other combat units around to finish off the injured units. Honestly not a realistic argument. | ||
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Cripp
Germany165 Posts
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
In addition the speed of the HTs make it impossible to really attack now even if you win an engagement unless you completely crush it as terran reinforcements are usually enough to kill gateway armies without support. The only way HTs are going to be viable now is through warp prisms I imagine, warping them in at a corner and ferrying them around. This might be the evolution but I don't really see it happening with vikings having such range. HTs definitely needed a nerf but I feel this is too big of a nerf, makes HTs completely useless. | ||
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