• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:20
CEST 17:20
KST 00:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
Protoss AoE skill expression 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #3/8 - Clem Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5086 users

A Bit of Simple Khaydarin Amulet Math - Page 21

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 All
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 00:02:08
February 27 2011 23:44 GMT
#401
On February 28 2011 08:37 ExoD wrote:
Blizzard have a system they use when they want to nerf or buff something. They roll a dice.If they get a 3 or lower,it's a nerf. 5 or higher it's a buff.

"HT got nerfed because storm harassment is op!"
Yes and blue flame hellion/banshee costs more and does less damage /trollface.

Doesn't EMP do more damage than storm(to protoss units) and its instant and also counters HT storm?

Even Fungal does more dps now I think, and infestors can cast it without waiting.


u for real? lol

anyways, lets see how the change impacts PTR, even tho noone is like ever on it, im sure something will change before it hits live, even tho as zerg i think HT lategame vs T was too sttrong
Oldboysctv
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada58 Posts
February 28 2011 01:00 GMT
#402
ht late game was only too strong if the terran player stays on bio all game long, a tier 3 unit should be able to beat a tier 1 unit any day, and any terran that complained about HT being too powerful late game clearly sticks with bio all game long. i think with the amount of time that it takes for a Ht to storm after it warps in is way to long, Ht drops are a good way of harassing the terran player late game, and with a player with good map vision will see the drop coming and react in time even with the upgrade.

im actually very curious what protoss will do late game now against terran, as Hts were the transition out of colli due to the viking ball being to easy to mass once they scout colli. it might go into heavy immortal speed zealot with sentry play since you have the extra gas from not using the Hts, or heavy pheonix colli play, where you have more pheonix than vikings and lift up seige tanks. since not to many people will get Hts if this patch goes live.
I believe the OP said it takes around 44.4 seconds of game seconds which is around 30 or so seconds in real time, which is way to long of a time for being able to use HTs effectively, you might see protoss having to be more agressive all game long in order to keep the bio ball smaller and keep the armies smaller, in order to utilize the synergy of the gateway units.

my personal opinion is disagree with this change from blizzard, i think removing the upgrade and adding a energy regen increase upgrade in place where it would take 10-15 seconds to warp in new templar to storm, or put a cooldown on storm when first warped in for a 10 second cooldown, i mean that would of been a much better idea, then you cant just warp in units and storm them right away you have some time to react to a storm drop, heck even a 5 second real time cooldown SHOULD be enough time for someone to check their mini map and react to it.

even after all this talk about storm and HT being OP, i find it kinda funny cause i think back to beta where people thought storm was too weak and needed to be buffed and then it got even more nerfed, and people still complained about it being to weak, and nothing has changed since then with the unit, yet now it is too strong,

i honestly dont think HTs would be very strong if terrans would transition out of bio into something else, and i think the best thing would be blue flame hellions for late game, once the protoss gets out of colli, just trade the marines for blue flame hellions and that deals with zealots and HTs, and give you mobility for harassment, since the protoss army has to be a ball. throw in some maruaders for anything else on the ground.
There will always be better and worse players then yourself
willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
February 28 2011 01:02 GMT
#403
I say remove marines and marauders and we'll give up the HT.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
February 28 2011 01:04 GMT
#404
I play you on ladder get more skill and stop being so baised.


Rofl. So many logical fallacies...
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
squintz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
February 28 2011 01:07 GMT
#405
On February 28 2011 08:18 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 07:58 NearPerfection wrote:
your from clan tQ aren't you? Back up your claims with facts, and even then you don't play at a high enough skill level to say anything about balance. No shit you can load up a 200 mineral warp prism with 150 minerals 450 gas before amulet is finished, I do it all the time.

But to think I should have the foresight to know exactly when your about to attack or your vikings are not patrolling makes this game alot more random Herp Derp i lost the game cause my 350/450 resource harassment took 120 damage. Herp Derp.

Harassing before khadarin amulet is very risky, as it is, to say that Terran should be that heavily rewarded at every single stage of the game for taking out a warp prism is just stupid talk.



I know its risky, but you made it sound as if it were your only option, you can load it up and go harass, and you know nothing about my skill level especially my tvp =). What skill level do I need to be at to critique balance or great protoss player. What skill level are you at? What is YOUR ID on NA?

Anyway, this thread isnt about us but if youd gladly PM me your ID we can continue it.

edit OHHHHHHHH

You are Perfect.

[image loading]

:|


HAHAHAHAHAHA. delicious protoss tears. protoss not wanting any risk in loading a drop? herp derp. what if there's a templar right at the ridge ready to 1 shot my medivac with feedback?! IM SUPPOSE TO LOSE 500minerals/100gas for nothing!? lololololol
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 28 2011 01:09 GMT
#406
I just think it's funny how HT is the strongest caster. Cheapest caster (at 50/150) can warp in anywhere in 7 seconds, and deal instant death to a 30-50+ supply army with only 2-4 supply on two storms.

Ghosts? 150/150, plus 100/100 for upgrade, plus 45 seconds to build, then travel time, then EMP has to hit well.

Infestors 100/150, 100/100 upgrade (I think), 45-50 second build time, then travel time, then travel time for FG.

HT is just the most simple caster to use.

/rant.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
squintz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
February 28 2011 01:14 GMT
#407
On February 28 2011 10:09 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I just think it's funny how HT is the strongest caster. Cheapest caster (at 50/150) can warp in anywhere in 7 seconds, and deal instant death to a 30-50+ supply army with only 2-4 supply on two storms.

Ghosts? 150/150, plus 100/100 for upgrade, plus 45 seconds to build, then travel time, then EMP has to hit well.

Infestors 100/150, 100/100 upgrade (I think), 45-50 second build time, then travel time, then travel time for FG.

HT is just the most simple caster to use.

/rant.


You forgot about turning them into Archons to soak damage too after they've used all their energy. What does a ghost / infestor usually do after it has casted its spells? IT DIES.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 28 2011 01:18 GMT
#408
On February 28 2011 10:07 squintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 08:18 Sadist wrote:
On February 28 2011 07:58 NearPerfection wrote:
your from clan tQ aren't you? Back up your claims with facts, and even then you don't play at a high enough skill level to say anything about balance. No shit you can load up a 200 mineral warp prism with 150 minerals 450 gas before amulet is finished, I do it all the time.

But to think I should have the foresight to know exactly when your about to attack or your vikings are not patrolling makes this game alot more random Herp Derp i lost the game cause my 350/450 resource harassment took 120 damage. Herp Derp.

Harassing before khadarin amulet is very risky, as it is, to say that Terran should be that heavily rewarded at every single stage of the game for taking out a warp prism is just stupid talk.



I know its risky, but you made it sound as if it were your only option, you can load it up and go harass, and you know nothing about my skill level especially my tvp =). What skill level do I need to be at to critique balance or great protoss player. What skill level are you at? What is YOUR ID on NA?

Anyway, this thread isnt about us but if youd gladly PM me your ID we can continue it.

edit OHHHHHHHH

You are Perfect.

[image loading]

:|


HAHAHAHAHAHA. delicious protoss tears. protoss not wanting any risk in loading a drop? herp derp. what if there's a templar right at the ridge ready to 1 shot my medivac with feedback?! IM SUPPOSE TO LOSE 500minerals/100gas for nothing!? lololololol


If your medivac has any energy left, you are not one of the terran players I have been playing. Medivacs are always low on energy, because there is always a marine/marauder around with low hp. If that isn't the case you must be producing medivacs off of 2 reactored starports.
Freeeeeeedom
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 28 2011 01:20 GMT
#409
you guys have descended down into flaming. locked, for lack of productive, thoughtful discussion.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Prev 1 19 20 21 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IntoTheTV X SOOP
11:00
ISSL Weekly#1
IntoTheiNu 1131
WardiTV1042
Rex127
CranKy Ducklings103
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko521
LamboSC2 182
Rex 127
ProTech71
BRAT_OK 31
ByuN (SOOP) 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 3613
Horang2 1069
EffOrt 868
BeSt 845
Soma 652
firebathero 631
Snow 327
Larva 324
Stork 294
hero 179
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 125
Sharp 83
Hyun 55
Sea.KH 54
HiyA 40
Barracks 25
scan(afreeca) 23
Bale 22
Terrorterran 20
sorry 15
Sexy 13
Rock 12
IntoTheRainbow 9
Dota 2
qojqva1359
Gorgc1269
syndereN413
Fuzer 146
XcaliburYe67
Counter-Strike
fl0m6298
kRYSTAL_53
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King145
Other Games
singsing2051
B2W.Neo938
hiko718
ceh9233
Liquid`VortiX210
Hui .181
XaKoH 84
ArmadaUGS80
QueenE52
byalli1
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 32
• mYiSmile119
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP9
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV538
League of Legends
• Nemesis1709
• Jankos1483
• TFBlade623
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
40m
DnS vs Rex
Reynor vs Cure
Replay Cast
8h 40m
RSL Revival
17h 40m
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
1d 2h
Ladder Legends
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
OSC
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The Patches Monday
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-05
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.