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MadVillian
Profile Joined September 2011
United States127 Posts
June 03 2012 23:39 GMT
#221
A lot of EU and KR top players play on the NA server nowadays as well as their respective servers. This has helped NA high masters+ look deceptively close to EU in the highest echelon. But, the players just below the top level in EU and NA are definitely better in EU. Still not a huge gap. I am a high masters on NA and EU.
In there like swimwear.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
June 03 2012 23:40 GMT
#222
everything related to america is inferior to anything else

User was warned for this post
Try another route paperboy.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
June 03 2012 23:40 GMT
#223
unless you are high masters/grandmasters it's pretty irrelevant. From personal experience I can say that diamond eu/na are pretty much the same level. The very top of eu may be higher, but that's mostly speculation from rankings, not an actual reflection of overall skill level.
I'm a gooner.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
June 03 2012 23:53 GMT
#224
On June 04 2012 08:40 Steel wrote:
everything related to america is inferior to anything else

User was warned for this post


we're canadians, we dont have the right to say this
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 23:55:25
June 03 2012 23:54 GMT
#225
On June 04 2012 08:40 ronpaul012 wrote:
unless you are high masters/grandmasters it's pretty irrelevant. From personal experience I can say that diamond eu/na are pretty much the same level. The very top of eu may be higher, but that's mostly speculation from rankings, not an actual reflection of overall skill level.


Then why even NA players talk that Eu is way harder ? , not only GM or master players , diamond , plat also.
USA/NA are already good in so many things.. why you wanna always be better ?
Eu is harder then NA , KR is harder then EU its simple and clear to everyone.
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
June 03 2012 23:54 GMT
#226
I didn't know the poll would be so one sided but then again this is an international community so it's going to have more EU bias. But I play masters on both EU and NA and I'd say they are just about even, I don't win or lose on one server more than the other, I really don't think people should vote unless they are actually masters in both servers. Take it for what it is, but if someone is trying to decide what account to buy, buy which ever will lag the least, because both servers are pretty much identical.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
June 03 2012 23:57 GMT
#227
On June 04 2012 08:54 emc wrote:
I didn't know the poll would be so one sided but then again this is an international community so it's going to have more EU bias. But I play masters on both EU and NA and I'd say they are just about even, I don't win or lose on one server more than the other, I really don't think people should vote unless they are actually masters in both servers. Take it for what it is, but if someone is trying to decide what account to buy, buy which ever will lag the least, because both servers are pretty much identical.


Yeah I agree with this. If "2%" of the population is supposed to be Masters, it shouldn't really matter for the other 98% of the players on which server is harder. If you're gold/plat/diamond in NA you'll probably be the same in EU. Now the KR server is a whole different beast, but it's probably still the same thing for the lower ladder tiers.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
June 03 2012 23:58 GMT
#228
On February 10 2011 03:13 mdma-_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 03:09 Andr3 wrote:
#29 CombatEX Is that the real combatEX? oO

Just because EU has more well known players doesn't necessarily mean it's a harder ladder. I think a big EU vs US should be made Though from the interviews I've read most pros say KR is hardest followed by EU and US.

If u talkin bout a EU vs NA showmatch. They already had one. EU won 8-3.



It would go so bad for NA had they made one more showmatch like that...
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:01:43
June 03 2012 23:58 GMT
#229
On June 04 2012 08:54 emc wrote:
I didn't know the poll would be so one sided but then again this is an international community so it's going to have more EU bias. But I play masters on both EU and NA and I'd say they are just about even, I don't win or lose on one server more than the other, I really don't think people should vote unless they are actually masters in both servers. Take it for what it is, but if someone is trying to decide what account to buy, buy which ever will lag the least, because both servers are pretty much identical.


Then give me please screen , to your master EU account , and make it in game , with some proof , that you are a master EU player.


On June 04 2012 08:57 Silentness wrote:
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On June 04 2012 08:54 emc wrote:
I didn't know the poll would be so one sided but then again this is an international community so it's going to have more EU bias. But I play masters on both EU and NA and I'd say they are just about even, I don't win or lose on one server more than the other, I really don't think people should vote unless they are actually masters in both servers. Take it for what it is, but if someone is trying to decide what account to buy, buy which ever will lag the least, because both servers are pretty much identical.


Yeah I agree with this. If "2%" of the population is supposed to be Masters, it shouldn't really matter for the other 98% of the players on which server is harder. If you're gold/plat/diamond in NA you'll probably be the same in EU. Now the KR server is a whole different beast, but it's probably still the same thing for the lower ladder tiers.


My friend was mid plat in EU , and top 10 diamond on NA , with terran , same play style etc...

SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:04:58
June 04 2012 00:00 GMT
#230
Up until you get to the very top you will not notice in-game difference because of how MMR works. You will be matched with equally skilled opponents.
What may happen is that when you are low masters on NA, you will end up high diamond on EU. Or you may hold a somewhat lower rank in your league. But most of us should not see skill difference. And there is no sense of getting an account to practice on a "more skilled" server until you get to the top due to match making mechanics. All you are doing is getting getting to play with more lag vs same skill level opponents
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
LarvaLamp
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom7 Posts
June 04 2012 00:02 GMT
#231
I'm high diamond on NA and mid diamond on EU. Not much of one but there certainly is a difference, at least at my level.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:05:00
June 04 2012 00:04 GMT
#232
On June 04 2012 09:00 iokke wrote:
Up until you get to the very top you will not notice the difference because of how MMR works. You will be matched with equally skilled opponents.
What may happen is that when you are low masters on NA, you will end up high diamond on EU. But most of us, especially in the middle of a league should not see skill difference. And there is no sense of getting an account to practice on a "more skilled" server until you get to the top due to match making mechanics.



You can see skill diffrence very easy , and everyone can see it. There are many streams of EU and NA mid skill tournaments , everyone can compere play of players.
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iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:08:54
June 04 2012 00:07 GMT
#233
On June 04 2012 09:04 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 09:00 iokke wrote:
Up until you get to the very top you will not notice the difference because of how MMR works. You will be matched with equally skilled opponents.
What may happen is that when you are low masters on NA, you will end up high diamond on EU. But most of us, especially in the middle of a league should not see skill difference. And there is no sense of getting an account to practice on a "more skilled" server until you get to the top due to match making mechanics.



You can see skill diffrence very easy , and everyone can see it. There are many streams of EU and NA mid skill tournaments , everyone can compere play of players.


Perhaps, not exactly what I was talking about.
I've heard of a few regular players (not pro) get a 2nd account to practice on a "more skilled" server. Then they ladder and get matched to the players whose levels is same to who they were matched on NA because of matchmaking mechanics.
If you are below mid masters (perhaps even below high masters), i dont think it makes any sense to do that
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
June 04 2012 00:10 GMT
#234
On June 04 2012 08:54 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 08:40 ronpaul012 wrote:
unless you are high masters/grandmasters it's pretty irrelevant. From personal experience I can say that diamond eu/na are pretty much the same level. The very top of eu may be higher, but that's mostly speculation from rankings, not an actual reflection of overall skill level.


Then why even NA players talk that Eu is way harder ? , not only GM or master players , diamond , plat also.
USA/NA are already good in so many things.. why you wanna always be better ?
Eu is harder then NA , KR is harder then EU its simple and clear to everyone.


lol, you're funny.
I'm a gooner.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:17:38
June 04 2012 00:12 GMT
#235
On June 04 2012 09:07 iokke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 09:04 pallad wrote:
On June 04 2012 09:00 iokke wrote:
Up until you get to the very top you will not notice the difference because of how MMR works. You will be matched with equally skilled opponents.
What may happen is that when you are low masters on NA, you will end up high diamond on EU. But most of us, especially in the middle of a league should not see skill difference. And there is no sense of getting an account to practice on a "more skilled" server until you get to the top due to match making mechanics.



You can see skill diffrence very easy , and everyone can see it. There are many streams of EU and NA mid skill tournaments , everyone can compere play of players.


Perhaps, not exactly what I was talking about.
I've heard of a few regular players (not pro) get a 2nd account to practice on a more skilled server. Then they ladder and get match to the level players that they would get matched on NA because of matchmaking, so they gain nothing.
If you are below mid masters (perhaps even below high masters), i dont think it makes any sense to do that


Maby , I dont say that i dont agree. I have only one friend that has playing in NA serwer and he go up league , from mid plat to top 10 diamond. I watch also some NA , and EU dialy tournamens when i see that EU games was just better.

But the fact is you can only check this be playing both serwers , i think EU is harder from what i see. NA players will say its the same , dunno ;P , many one day im gonna buy NA copy of the game.

On June 04 2012 09:10 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 08:54 pallad wrote:
On June 04 2012 08:40 ronpaul012 wrote:
unless you are high masters/grandmasters it's pretty irrelevant. From personal experience I can say that diamond eu/na are pretty much the same level. The very top of eu may be higher, but that's mostly speculation from rankings, not an actual reflection of overall skill level.


Then why even NA players talk that Eu is way harder ? , not only GM or master players , diamond , plat also.
USA/NA are already good in so many things.. why you wanna always be better ?
Eu is harder then NA , KR is harder then EU its simple and clear to everyone.


lol, you're funny.


And why ? NA players are funny saying that for example destiny is NA top player...
Other funny thing is Scarlett can beat 95% of top NA players. Yes i love her , but this is funny ;P
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
June 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#236
arguing over 2nd best is very stupid

KR is #1

maybe if people would stop arguing over who is the smartest retard then the other ladders would improve
*eternalenvy fanboy*
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
June 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#237
On June 04 2012 09:17 imMUTAble787 wrote:
arguing over 2nd best is very stupid

KR is #1

maybe if people would stop arguing over who is the smartest retard then the other ladders would improve


Look at title..

"EU or NA ladder, which is harder?"
Where do you see KR? . TL is community site , you gonna come to every thread and write stop arguing ....?
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:37:11
June 04 2012 00:21 GMT
#238
the difference between EU gm and NA gm is simply there.

TT1 was about top 100, not more when he was in europe for training. When he went back to NA he said on twitter "yeah, rank 1 of the bad players!" or sth in those lines

tslrevival clearly said EU ladder is harder, any pro says it.


its pretty clearly KR>EU>NA
even WITH korean influence on NA.
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Oblivion753
Profile Joined May 2011
United States73 Posts
June 04 2012 00:25 GMT
#239
Hate to be a dick, but it really boils down to whichever server the Koreans feel is better practice whilst Korean servers are either down or slow.(Which happens a lot more than you would think if you watch KR streamers) They would slant the W;L ratios one way or the other..... T.T

If you are talking about homegrown talent this entire thread is meaningless and a little disingenuous.
1. All the best players from those servers at some point would be associated with KR influence and either practiced in or with Korean players. So making a EU vs NA match would be pointless.
2. Whichever server you do decide to pick (preferably the one close to you for latency) that one will seem harder because your MMR is more adjusted to face players of equal skill level where as the others wont be as well adjusted.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 04 2012 00:28 GMT
#240
Why is there no option in the poll saying its equally :/
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