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On June 04 2012 09:41 sCCrooked wrote:
I have one point that I'm appauled hasn't come up in the last 3 pages. Isn't this an unfair comparison of uneven numbers? According to sc2ranks.com (no idea of the validity or activeness of these people), EU server has 1,060,332 ranked accounts while NA server has 1,386,055 ranked accounts. Having literally 33% more would definitely water down the player pool, would it not?
I don't get that point. Was that sarcasm getting over my head? :D
Because if we were to reason like that then SEA would be the toughest server by far.
edit: I have no opinion on NA vs EU; I love both communities, just puzzled by that argument in particular.
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top 400 NA > EU
< 400 EU < NA
All I ever encountered on EU was the same badly executed cheese. I've played it for whole seasons and same thing. The GM league of NA is littered with koreans as well.
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On June 04 2012 16:18 jackalope1234 wrote:
top 400 NA > EU
< 400 EU < NA
All I ever encountered on EU was the same badly executed cheese. I've played it for whole seasons and same thing. The GM league of NA is littered with koreans as well.
that sounds like a really uninformed opinion.
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On June 04 2012 16:18 jackalope1234 wrote:
top 400 NA > EU
< 400 EU < NA
All I ever encountered on EU was the same badly executed cheese. I've played it for whole seasons and same thing. The GM league of NA is littered with koreans as well.
Erm.
NA > EU = EU < NA
unless this is some obtruse math problem where
top[cond.] 400|NA| > EU < 400|EU| < NA
i dont know either
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Im listing the servers in rank for a average players level, not a pro's level.
1 EU - By far the hardest of the 3. This is where my main account is and is the server i most struggle on. Leauge by leauge untill high masters GM, EU is a leauge ahead, maybe even 2 at silver and gold level.
2 SEA - Abit harder than NA untill high diamond - masters. Since theres such a low player count in SEA, you get matched up against masters players while in plat since theres so few players playing. Thus why im putting it ahead of NA to ladder as an average player.
3 NA - I found at the lower end of NA ladder, its like silver - gold EU up untill diamond. In masters, NA sorta catches up to EU. NA is only strongest at GM level.
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On June 04 2012 16:09 Demicore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 09:41 sCCrooked wrote:
I have one point that I'm appauled hasn't come up in the last 3 pages. Isn't this an unfair comparison of uneven numbers? According to sc2ranks.com (no idea of the validity or activeness of these people), EU server has 1,060,332 ranked accounts while NA server has 1,386,055 ranked accounts. Having literally 33% more would definitely water down the player pool, would it not? I don't get that point. Was that sarcasm getting over my head? :D Because if we were to reason like that then SEA would be the toughest server by far. edit: I have no opinion on NA vs EU; I love both communities, just puzzled by that argument in particular.
No, he means that if we look at Top 200 vs Top 200, it isn't "parallel" because NA has more players. Since NA has about 33% more players, it would be more fair to compare the Top 266 NA to the Top 200 EU
hope that makes sense
Although it doesn't really make sense because looking at the Top 200 NA instead of the Top 266 NA would give NA an advantage when comparing to EU; since NA has more players, it means they have more good players at the top, so comparing Top 200 NA to Top 200 EU isn't fair, but Top 266 NA to Top 200 EU would be
in other words, EU is even "harder" (has a better Top 200) than NA than what people think xD
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Hm I have played on EU, and for me I didn't find it that much different, in zvz all EU did was cheese it seemed (I swear to god every zvz except a couple were 6-8 pools lol).
I faced GM's on EU, won, face GM's on NA, won but I'll be honest I haven't played on EU for about a year now (and stopped playing on NA for about 8 months to due to having no lat on kr so played there for 8 months). So maybe EU is harder now dunno, but I know on NA lots of koreans play on it now so it's not as easy as it used to be if you are high masters/gm.
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Its been known for a very long time that EU is better.
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On June 04 2012 16:29 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:09 Demicore wrote:On June 04 2012 09:41 sCCrooked wrote:
I have one point that I'm appauled hasn't come up in the last 3 pages. Isn't this an unfair comparison of uneven numbers? According to sc2ranks.com (no idea of the validity or activeness of these people), EU server has 1,060,332 ranked accounts while NA server has 1,386,055 ranked accounts. Having literally 33% more would definitely water down the player pool, would it not? I don't get that point. Was that sarcasm getting over my head? :D Because if we were to reason like that then SEA would be the toughest server by far. edit: I have no opinion on NA vs EU; I love both communities, just puzzled by that argument in particular. No, he means that if we look at Top 200 vs Top 200, it isn't "parallel" because NA has more players. Since NA has about 33% more players, it would be more fair to compare the Top 266 NA to the Top 200 EU hope that makes sense Although it doesn't really make sense because looking at the Top 200 NA instead of the Top 266 NA would give NA an advantage when comparing to EU; since NA has more players, it means they have more good players at the top, so comparing Top 200 NA to Top 200 EU isn't fair, but Top 266 NA to Top 200 EU would be in other words, EU is even "harder" (has a better Top 200) than NA than what people think xD
Given that skill is equally distributed between both groups, the top 200 of a 1.3 million group should be significantly better than the top 200 of a 1 million group. Because you are comparing the top 0.015% with the top 0.02%.
To make it clear: In a 200 player group, everyone is top 200 and therefore the top 200 is the weakest compared to a 1000 player group, where the best 20% of the population is in the top 200.
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Lol what a cliche discussion
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i like how everyone who actually plays both servers agree that the point that EU is better is pretty exaggerated -_-.
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On June 04 2012 16:18 jackalope1234 wrote:
top 400 NA > EU
< 400 EU < NA
All I ever encountered on EU was the same badly executed cheese. I've played it for whole seasons and same thing. The GM league of NA is littered with koreans as well.
Would you prove it by linking your EU and NA profile so that we can compare which one your higher with? I can ensure you that you're higher ranked with your NA account because EU is a lot harder.
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This reminds me of the MLS guy who said the league was better than the English Premier League.
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Its funny how there are over 1000 people with opinions on this, but less than 20 are probably actually qualified to comment on the top of the ladder.
Which, due to the 50% winrate ladder/MMR system, is the only part of the ladder that matters.
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I think at the beginning, it was equally hard on both, however somewhere in the middle, the EU scene seemed to have overpowered the NA one. But by know, the NA ladder definitely caught up on the high end, simply by all the smurf accounts of the Korean professionals. ^.^
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Oh c'mon guys, obviously EU ladder is harder!
I mean, I would obviously be Masters if I played on NA..ezpz.
/sarcasm
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hm this might be a troll thread. It clearly invites everyone to start bashing on the other server while an answer to the question could be easily obtained by looking at results (for example MLG).
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I always thought that EU was ahead but not by much, the amount that it is exaggerated on here is insane. Could be wrong though
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EU is obviously harder. I'm from Poland, and have been playing on EU for some time now, was placed #2 in my Diamond division about a week ago (wasn't playing due to the end of my finals, parties etc. ) so got dropped to ~10th place. My MMR is currently at the level of high diamond/low masters, according to what level of opponents I'm getting. Around 3 weeks ago, I've started playing on NA and currently, I am matched with mid to high masters players and I feel like sometimes their skill level is even lower than the skill level of high Diamonds on EU.
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EU has far better pros, that's all I care about 
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