• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:21
CEST 19:21
KST 02:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results0Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion (Spoiler) Interview ASL Ro4 Day 2 Winner ASL21 General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
[BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL21] Semifinals B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1532 users

EU or NA ladder, which is harder? - Page 13

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 16 Next All
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
June 04 2012 00:37 GMT
#241
poll should be renamed to which has better pro players.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
June 04 2012 00:41 GMT
#242
I have one point that I'm appauled hasn't come up in the last 3 pages. Isn't this an unfair comparison of uneven numbers? According to sc2ranks.com (no idea of the validity or activeness of these people), EU server has 1,060,332 ranked accounts while NA server has 1,386,055 ranked accounts. Having literally 33% more would definitely water down the player pool, would it not?
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
June 04 2012 00:42 GMT
#243
Difference is in the quantity and quality of professionals on each ladder, not the overall population.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
June 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#244
On June 04 2012 09:20 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 09:17 imMUTAble787 wrote:
arguing over 2nd best is very stupid

KR is #1

maybe if people would stop arguing over who is the smartest retard then the other ladders would improve


Look at title..

"EU or NA ladder, which is harder?"
Where do you see KR? . TL is community site , you gonna come to every thread and write stop arguing ....?


*woosh*

You're right, man. EU is so vastly superior. Maybe one day NA can get on EU's level.

LOL
*eternalenvy fanboy*
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:56:54
June 04 2012 00:48 GMT
#245
Poll: Is EU and NA equal in skill?

NO (47)
 
70%

YES (20)
 
30%

67 total votes

Your vote: Is EU and NA equal in skill?

(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO



Only if you say NO you should answer in the Poll at the beginning ^^
silly OP
Trying to splitt the community?
F-
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 04 2012 01:09 GMT
#246
You should rename your poll

"Are you from NA/EU" ?
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 01:13:29
June 04 2012 01:11 GMT
#247
On June 04 2012 10:09 zezamer wrote:
You should rename your poll

"Are you from NA/EU" ?


This poll is over a year old, and might have been true back then.
It might be worth locking this thread, as there is nothing relevant today that can be discussed based of OPs post/poll.

I'm masters on both and can tell you that the skill is extremely similar, but meta-game and play styles by race do vary quite a bit. From my experience Protoss on EU cheese and all in much more than on NA, and vice-versa for Zerg. The Terran strategies are more diverse on EU, lots of people copy GSL stuff. Overall though, very similar skill levels.
Above and Beyond
Profile Joined June 2012
1 Post
June 04 2012 01:19 GMT
#248
haha I gotta go with EU here. im sure if Stephano even ate or touched american food he would go on a big losing streak
plasemeious
Profile Joined November 2009
United States244 Posts
June 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#249
On June 04 2012 10:19 Above and Beyond wrote:
haha I gotta go with EU here. im sure if Stephano even ate or touched american food he would go on a big losing streak

We will find out at MLG since he is staying with EG
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
June 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#250
On June 04 2012 07:55 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 07:50 -Switch- wrote:
On June 04 2012 07:38 Kaitokid wrote:
On June 04 2012 07:36 -Switch- wrote:
unless you are in GM it does not matter


its easier to hit GM on NA so yes it matters


GM in general does not matter. just keep playing until you are good enough to play against the best players on your respective server. Do you want GM or do you want to become better?


if you are good enough you will eventually hit GM, on NA you can be worse but still hit GM thats my point. its simply easier to reach GM MMR on NA because there are less good players


You are correct.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
June 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#251
I think they're pretty close now with a lot of koreans playing on NA. I find the average level of low GM / high master players on EU to be lower too.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
June 04 2012 05:51 GMT
#252
On June 04 2012 11:16 Pokebunny wrote:
I think they're pretty close now with a lot of koreans playing on NA. I find the average level of low GM / high master players on EU to be lower too.


The way I see it is as follows:

There are more good players on EU who are professionals compared to NA. Or at least, when I watch a stream it seems to me that the variability in matchmaking is lower meaning that the games on ladder are often more close and meaningful and strategies more varied on the EU ladder.

However, for all the NORMAL people who play this game for fun and aren't semi-pro or pro, the difference means nothing to us. This is why I hate these stupid threads.

People come in here and say Im on EU, EU is harder, Im masters EU im better than masters NA. No. I am sorry but no. The people on top of ladder in EU and NA can trade games for the most part. Its not the same as top of KR vs top of NA or EU. But at the same time at mid masters, at diamond, at plat at almost any level the difference between NA and EU is minimal.

Sure, there might be more high end players on EU who play seriously and professionally but that doesn't mean the EU ladder is magically 100x better than NA. Im pretty sure plat on KR isn't so so so much better than everyone on NA or EU either. The myth that KR plats are 1000x better is probably helped by not high level players getting a KR account and having some 500ms ping to deal with which makes it harder to perform well. While being masters in NA doesn't mean you are masters in KR, it doesn't mean you are plat either.

I think people need to stop worrying about the ladder and their ranking and start focusing on just enjoying the game.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
June 04 2012 05:53 GMT
#253
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Throughout my time playing sc2, i've played same league players for example PLAT on both EU and NA and EU have been faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar superior in terms of skill, execution, strategy, etc..... Throughout all leagues.
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
June 04 2012 06:38 GMT
#254
People who are saying that the difference is only at GM level are either Americans or haven't actually played on the other server.

I've played ~100 games on US, laddered two accounts from placements to masters and I can say that EU is quite a lot stronger from until the early leagues. Another solid conclusion is that there's A TON more cheese on NA. Other than these things, ladder is ladder, you will get practice anyways unless your the best in your region.
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
June 04 2012 06:42 GMT
#255
i have a NA masters and a EU masters. I notice no difference. I believe 1k+ masters and above becomes Much harder at EU level though.
Stimin myself on a daily basis
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
June 04 2012 06:44 GMT
#256
On June 04 2012 15:38 emis wrote:
People who are saying that the difference is only at GM level are either Americans or haven't actually played on the other server.

I've played ~100 games on US, laddered two accounts from placements to masters and I can say that EU is quite a lot stronger from until the early leagues. Another solid conclusion is that there's A TON more cheese on NA. Other than these things, ladder is ladder, you will get practice anyways unless your the best in your region.


This has very little relevance. On the KR server you will encounter lots of cheese as well.
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
June 04 2012 06:50 GMT
#257
On June 04 2012 15:38 emis wrote:
I've played ~100 games on US, laddered two accounts from placements to masters and I can say that EU is quite a lot stronger from until the early leagues.


Are you masters/facing masters in EU?

If so, isn't just working as intended... You already have the skill level of a master's player, ergo you should end up on masters if both regions are similar in skill. If you started at placement, means you had to be playing mostly diamonds and then masters, which should be easy for you since you are a higher level player than diamond.


rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 04 2012 06:51 GMT
#258
On June 04 2012 09:20 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 09:17 imMUTAble787 wrote:
arguing over 2nd best is very stupid

KR is #1

maybe if people would stop arguing over who is the smartest retard then the other ladders would improve


Look at title..

"EU or NA ladder, which is harder?"
Where do you see KR? . TL is community site , you gonna come to every thread and write stop arguing ....?


His point is, why do we care which ladder is 2nd best and 3rd best? lol.
The Notorious Winkles
Thune
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria129 Posts
June 04 2012 07:01 GMT
#259
I definately agree with the poll ... i have accounts on both servers and while im about high dia on eu im mid master on na ... and all in all playing against master player on eu seems way harder than playing against master from na. also i can second that on the na server there are a lot more cheeses than on eu.
i wouldnt say the difference is too big but there is definately a difference
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
June 04 2012 07:02 GMT
#260
On June 04 2012 08:58 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 03:13 mdma-_- wrote:
On February 10 2011 03:09 Andr3 wrote:
#29 CombatEX Is that the real combatEX? oO

Just because EU has more well known players doesn't necessarily mean it's a harder ladder. I think a big EU vs US should be made Though from the interviews I've read most pros say KR is hardest followed by EU and US.

If u talkin bout a EU vs NA showmatch. They already had one. EU won 8-3.



It would go so bad for NA had they made one more showmatch like that...


find someone to sponsor the event and well see what about that :+)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 125
mouzHeroMarine 61
Livibee 35
BRAT_OK 28
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 43945
Calm 2583
Bisu 1558
Sea 529
firebathero 234
ggaemo 222
Light 187
actioN 181
ZerO 158
Dewaltoss 151
[ Show more ]
Rush 73
Rock 24
910 19
Noble 8
Last 0
Dota 2
Gorgc7419
qojqva1904
Counter-Strike
fl0m1748
Fnx 1617
byalli465
allub166
Other Games
Grubby2815
singsing1620
FrodaN1271
Beastyqt1251
Liquid`RaSZi1161
B2W.Neo862
ceh9448
Hui .271
KnowMe158
monkeys_forever157
ArmadaUGS113
C9.Mang0105
QueenE96
Mew2King82
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 27
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 87
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 30
• FirePhoenix5
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4566
Other Games
• imaqtpie394
• Shiphtur278
• WagamamaTV195
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 39m
RSL Revival
16h 39m
Classic vs Solar
herO vs SHIN
OSC
19h 39m
Big Brain Bouts
22h 39m
sebesdes vs Iba
Percival vs YoungYakov
Reynor vs GgMaChine
Korean StarCraft League
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
1d 22h
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
2 days
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
BSL
3 days
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-13
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W7
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.