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NuEnergy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands46 Posts
June 03 2012 22:35 GMT
#201
Thing is it isnt about KR ladder but about EU and US lol so rysecake your point is irrelevant
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
June 03 2012 22:36 GMT
#202
unless you are in GM it does not matter
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
June 03 2012 22:37 GMT
#203
On June 04 2012 07:32 Durp wrote:
I don't think is even debatable anymore. The EU players have surpassed the NA players by far imo. The best players to come from the NA server haven't really performed much at all these days, as opposed to players like Thorzain or Stephano who both made fairly considerable splashes in the scene


Top players in the world don't speak for the ladder as a whole
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
June 03 2012 22:38 GMT
#204
On June 04 2012 07:36 -Switch- wrote:
unless you are in GM it does not matter


its easier to hit GM on NA so yes it matters
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
June 03 2012 22:42 GMT
#205
I fully agree with hzflank. At your level it very likely doesn't make a difference at all.

Back to the original topic: I still feel that the EU ladder is stronger even though the NA ladder has a some 'second rate Koreans' dominating it.
Deleted User 255289
Profile Joined March 2012
281 Posts
June 03 2012 22:48 GMT
#206
Obviously CN server players are the strOngest because they are always have the most ladder points.
Zerg OP | CreansRNub | k-Poop | Zerg OP | Sea lions | \\m//
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
June 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#207
On June 04 2012 07:38 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 07:36 -Switch- wrote:
unless you are in GM it does not matter


its easier to hit GM on NA so yes it matters


GM in general does not matter. just keep playing until you are good enough to play against the best players on your respective server. Do you want GM or do you want to become better?
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
June 03 2012 22:51 GMT
#208
On June 04 2012 07:48 superbarnie wrote:
Obviously CN server players are the strOngest because they are always have the most ladder points.

Ladder points has nothing to do with skill, if anything it shows that there is a fairly wide range of players at the top with about the same skill level.

Also when we have seen the chinese players in action they didn't show that they were the best at all. Their best showing was at WCG with XiGua but their other performances (most notably the Code A GSL Season 1 2012) showed that they were just as good as other foreigners, nothing more and nothing less.
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
June 03 2012 22:53 GMT
#209
On June 04 2012 07:48 superbarnie wrote:
Obviously CN server players are the strOngest because they are always have the most ladder points.


Wrong, they had always more ladder points, because the chinese ladder season started earlier/later.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
June 03 2012 22:55 GMT
#210
On June 04 2012 07:50 -Switch- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 07:38 Kaitokid wrote:
On June 04 2012 07:36 -Switch- wrote:
unless you are in GM it does not matter


its easier to hit GM on NA so yes it matters


GM in general does not matter. just keep playing until you are good enough to play against the best players on your respective server. Do you want GM or do you want to become better?


if you are good enough you will eventually hit GM, on NA you can be worse but still hit GM thats my point. its simply easier to reach GM MMR on NA because there are less good players
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 03 2012 22:55 GMT
#211
On June 04 2012 07:35 NuEnergy wrote:
Thing is it isnt about KR ladder but about EU and US lol so rysecake your point is irrelevant


i was trolling
The Notorious Winkles
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 03 2012 22:56 GMT
#212
I play EU and NA, and I have to say that EU players just do more quirky builds. Other than that it's pretty much the same.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
June 03 2012 22:58 GMT
#213
EU is harder, but it's not like the gap between KR and everything else.
Willba
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom209 Posts
June 03 2012 22:58 GMT
#214
Lots of Koreans play on NA at the moment, so its equalized a bit, EU still ahead IMO just looking at the top of GM.
maLaK1
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany124 Posts
June 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#215
KR Gold = EU Plat = NA Diamond

its true, stop making excuses americans
Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
June 03 2012 23:03 GMT
#216
I've played both and feel NA is harder, at least around high masters. Looking at GM though I feel like EU would have better players there.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
June 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#217
On June 04 2012 08:02 maLaK1 wrote:
KR Gold = EU Plat = NA Diamond

its true, stop making excuses americans

Do you know that from experience, or are you just making something up?

I have accounts on both NA and EU and at my level there is no difference. I'm high diamond on both EU and NA, so I don't personally feel that there is any difference.

If we are talking about the top of the ladder I think the old consensus of KR>EU>NA still holds true. At least when looking at tournaments, EU players seem a lot better than NA in general. A lot of Koreans have started to play on the NA ladder though, so that might have an effect.
What a player
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
June 03 2012 23:29 GMT
#218
On June 04 2012 08:26 MentalGNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 08:02 maLaK1 wrote:
KR Gold = EU Plat = NA Diamond

its true, stop making excuses americans

Do you know that from experience, or are you just making something up?

I have accounts on both NA and EU and at my level there is no difference. I'm high diamond on both EU and NA, so I don't personally feel that there is any difference.

If we are talking about the top of the ladder I think the old consensus of KR>EU>NA still holds true. At least when looking at tournaments, EU players seem a lot better than NA in general. A lot of Koreans have started to play on the NA ladder though, so that might have an effect.


He's making it up. It's true that KR diamond is roughly NA masters (with exception to the top of NA masters), but KR gold is definitely not NA diamond. EU may or may not be a little stronger than NA at this point, but it's not a leagues difference
iNbluE
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland674 Posts
June 03 2012 23:37 GMT
#219
I have accounts on EU and NA. I'm high diamond EU, lowish masters NA, even with the higher ping. I feel there is a difference, but it is not that huge.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 23:41:09
June 03 2012 23:39 GMT
#220
I don't have an account on EU, but I can't imagine it is a full league in difference above NA below the GM level. It is fairly well established that at the top .1% to 1% of the population on each server KR > EU > NA respectively but until you hit that level it really doesn't matter at all.

EDIT: Minus about a 40-50 rank difference between KR and NA that I have noticed with my accounts, mid masters NA = mid-high diamond on KR.
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