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On February 12 2011 06:39 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 02:34 decaf wrote:
but it's a known fact that the korean ladder is more skilled] Is it? That's news to me. I mean, it is a known fact that people blindly assume Koreans are better at the game, but I didn't know it was a fact that they are.
Pretty much every pro that played on all servers confirms this. I never played on other ladders than EU, but in all interviews i saw pros talking about the skill levels of the different servers they always say the Korean server is the hardest to play on. Idra, Artosis, Huk are examples of pros who stated this, i think you will have a hard time finding a top player saying otherwise.
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On February 12 2011 06:41 avilo wrote:
I just have started laddering with my EU account, and so far as I rank up the differences I see are mainly with how EU protoss play.
Like for almost 4-5 straight TvPs I played as I was ranking up through placement -> masters, the protoss would 3gate voidray every single time and on NA no one does this build much anymore. Or they would think they're white-ra and build warp prisms, and on NA there's like only 2 players that ever build warp prisms, which is sort of hilarious when you think about it.
The Terrans i've come across so far all play marine/tank/medivac tvt, only full mech T i've played was goody on eu/na server. Though, i'm sure that's going to be more common very soon.
The Zergs so far...can't defend bunker rushes too good lol. My account is still low ranked, so obviously the better zergs can defend it perfectly fine tho i'd think.
I do think NA protosses try and force a more economic game on you, whereas EU protosses try and do some sneaky attack or all-inish push to damage you more.
imo there's no "skill difference," just a different style of play / philosophy / mentality for each server's players.
Well EU is known for their weaker Z players, Just know some players are coming up. Like Morrow, DarkForce and Dimaga
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On February 12 2011 06:37 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 06:30 Pokebunny wrote:
Gotta say I think eu LADDER is better. most top na players dont ladder, eu ones mostly do.
well alot of NA players do ladder, just not on NA ladder 
like kiwikaki, IdrA and Huk :D
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On February 12 2011 06:48 altered wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 06:39 FrostOtter wrote:On February 10 2011 02:34 decaf wrote:
but it's a known fact that the korean ladder is more skilled] Is it? That's news to me. I mean, it is a known fact that people blindly assume Koreans are better at the game, but I didn't know it was a fact that they are. Pretty much every pro that played on all servers confirms this. I never played on other ladders than EU, but in all interviews i saw pros talking about the skill levels of the different servers they always say the Korean server is the hardest to play on. Idra, Artosis, Huk are examples of pros who stated this, i think you will have a hard time finding a top player saying otherwise.
Oh, I'm sure the American pros probably would, since Americans seem the most likely to want to be Korean, for whatever reason.
I don't buy it. As someone else mentioned, perhaps there is, at the top, a higher percentage of pros that play compared to the other servers, but that doesn't translate to the ladder being harder. Remember, those pros aren't playing in bronze league.
Also, I think part of it is perception-- if you expect something to be harder, you are going to make it harder in your mind.
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Lol, I play on both ladders players at the 2700 masters level on both being 2600 masters on NA and like 900 masters on EU and I dont find any significant skill difference if there is it must be at the top levels because it sure isnt mid mastersleague
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HuK says it's EU no doubt in his latest assembly interview. He says it like "I'm from NA but tbh EU is harder"
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These threads are prevalent because the rest of the world has such an inferiority complex being behind Korea that we must know who is "second" in skill. To quote a horrible, yet hilarious movie (Talladega Nights): "If you're not first, you're last."
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most of the best NA players dont play in NA.
Huk, Idra, Kiwikaki, and qxc (select too for a good while) dont even play in NA anymore. There just isnt a good enough tournament scene to force them to stay, besides a few trips back for MLG and the likes.
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On February 12 2011 06:41 avilo wrote:
I just have started laddering with my EU account, and so far as I rank up the differences I see are mainly with how EU protoss play.
Like for almost 4-5 straight TvPs I played as I was ranking up through placement -> masters, the protoss would 3gate voidray every single time and on NA no one does this build much anymore. Or they would think they're white-ra and build warp prisms, and on NA there's like only 2 players that ever build warp prisms, which is sort of hilarious when you think about it.
The Terrans i've come across so far all play marine/tank/medivac tvt, only full mech T i've played was goody on eu/na server. Though, i'm sure that's going to be more common very soon.
The Zergs so far...can't defend bunker rushes too good lol. My account is still low ranked, so obviously the better zergs can defend it perfectly fine tho i'd think.
I do think NA protosses try and force a more economic game on you, whereas EU protosses try and do some sneaky attack or all-inish push to damage you more.
imo there's no "skill difference," just a different style of play / philosophy / mentality for each server's players.
well no offense but you're a 54% winrate player on NA and your experience directly contradicts HuK who plays with the likes of mvp, nestea, mc, mkp i.e. the best players in the world **every day** and he as a native american says that EU > NA.
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On February 10 2011 04:11 Striding Strider wrote:
A better question would be:
Why does Sweden produce such good players?
Sweden has a long "tradition" of PC use. I think the state gave ppl tax cuts if they bought PCs during the 90s, and we allways had computer science in school.
Just my theory, cant say i have any special insight into other countries computer habits really, altho i have seen alot of americans bash the internet :D
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I have unanimously heard it to be the EU server. So I will say EU.
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On February 12 2011 07:18 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 04:11 Striding Strider wrote:
A better question would be:
Why does Sweden produce such good players? Sweden has a long "tradition" of PC use. I think the state gave ppl tax cuts if they bought PCs during the 90s, and we allways had computer science in school. Just my theory, cant say i have any special insight into other countries computer habits really, altho i have seen alot of americans bash the internet :D
There's nothing to do but drinking and gaming 8 months a year, and drinking is fucking expensive here so naturally a lot of people play games. ;>
Seriously though you are probably quite right, it's also quite socially accepted to play games here compared to many other countries it seems like. I don't know a single male under the age 40 or so that doesn't play games to some extent.
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On February 12 2011 07:35 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 07:18 Rabbitmaster wrote:On February 10 2011 04:11 Striding Strider wrote:
A better question would be:
Why does Sweden produce such good players? Sweden has a long "tradition" of PC use. I think the state gave ppl tax cuts if they bought PCs during the 90s, and we allways had computer science in school. Just my theory, cant say i have any special insight into other countries computer habits really, altho i have seen alot of americans bash the internet :D There's nothing to do but drinking and gaming 8 months a year, and drinking is fucking expensive here so naturally a lot of people play games. ;> Seriously though you are probably quite right, it's also quite socially accepted to play games here compared to many other countries it seems like. I don't know a single male under the age 40 or so that doesn't play games to some extent.
Yeah its very socially acceptable indeed. When i was in like 7-9th grade cs1.6 was just "kicking off", and the equivalent of american "Jocks", at my school, were the gamers.
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North America is one country.. lmao.
Spelt 'more' wrong in the Poll Question.. just sayin'.
XD
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I feel like EU takes the cake on this one.. but honestly the skill gap is not as large a you may think.
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On February 12 2011 07:44 cca1ss1e wrote:
North America is one country.. lmao.
Spelt 'more' wrong in the Poll Question.. just sayin'.
XD
I'd also wonder how many NA players arent even playing on the NA ladder anymore.
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On February 12 2011 06:41 avilo wrote:
I just have started laddering with my EU account, and so far as I rank up the differences I see are mainly with how EU protoss play.
Like for almost 4-5 straight TvPs I played as I was ranking up through placement -> masters, the protoss would 3gate voidray every single time and on NA no one does this build much anymore. Or they would think they're white-ra and build warp prisms, and on NA there's like only 2 players that ever build warp prisms, which is sort of hilarious when you think about it.
The Terrans i've come across so far all play marine/tank/medivac tvt, only full mech T i've played was goody on eu/na server. Though, i'm sure that's going to be more common very soon.
The Zergs so far...can't defend bunker rushes too good lol. My account is still low ranked, so obviously the better zergs can defend it perfectly fine tho i'd think.
I do think NA protosses try and force a more economic game on you, whereas EU protosses try and do some sneaky attack or all-inish push to damage you more.
imo there's no "skill difference," just a different style of play / philosophy / mentality for each server's players.
Like your "I build 3 bunkers of which 2 are far away and 2 rax you"-bunker rush that knocked me out of TSL? - Next time I meet you on ladder I will destroy you, if you decide to play like a real man does :>
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On February 10 2011 02:49 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Who cares which one is harder? If a player is skilled he will excel regardless of his location. Things like this are stupid and pointless, I've destroyed europeans, koreans, and americans....and Ive been destroyed by europeans, koreans, and americans.....So really nationality has nothing to do with anything other then an epeen parade.
Bragging rights man.
EU won the EU vs US showmatch, so I it's EU until there's another showmatch ^^
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I voted for EU, because I am from Europe.
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On February 12 2011 08:25 azr wrote:
I voted for EU, because I am from Europe.
That's not very clever of you... the question was "which server has the most high level players?", not "where are you from?"
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