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EU or NA ladder, which is harder? - Page 10

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vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 23:40:04
February 11 2011 23:37 GMT
#181
On February 12 2011 07:44 cca1ss1e wrote:
North America is one country.. lmao.

Spelt 'more' wrong in the Poll Question.. just sayin'.

XD

It's not really that far from the truth though when it comes to SC2, if that one country means Canada. :D
On February 12 2011 06:48 norlock wrote:
Well EU is known for their weaker Z players, Just know some players are coming up. Like Morrow, DarkForce and Dimaga

Weaker Z players compared to NA? LOL, no.
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Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
February 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#182
HuK says EU is harder and he's a real mass ladder gamer.

On the other hand, I don't think I can even fully express how much I don't care and how little it matters. If you are truly at the point where that starts effecting your play and ability to proceed than you're good enough to get on a decent team or at least get some good practice partners. I mean, honestly, look at all the amazing NA players -- do you hear them saying "oh woe is me, if only I played on EU!" *dramatic swoon*? Yeah, didn't think so.
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
February 12 2011 01:11 GMT
#183
On February 12 2011 08:40 Char711 wrote:
HuK says EU is harder and he's a real mass ladder gamer.

On the other hand, I don't think I can even fully express how much I don't care and how little it matters. If you are truly at the point where that starts effecting your play and ability to proceed than you're good enough to get on a decent team or at least get some good practice partners. I mean, honestly, look at all the amazing NA players -- do you hear them saying "oh woe is me, if only I played on EU!" *dramatic swoon*? Yeah, didn't think so.



well, they dont say that because they just do it lol, NA <=> EU seems playable and whoever feels like playing cross-sea and has an account just does it.

i agree though, it really doesnt matter for 99,99999% of players, it was just needed to shut up all the ignorant people who kept saying NA > EU in other threads.
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grumpyone
Profile Joined January 2011
48 Posts
February 12 2011 01:51 GMT
#184
I'm more curious about which country (outside of Korea) is the best. Is the general consensus that it's either Canada or Sweden?
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
February 12 2011 01:55 GMT
#185
All I know is that Huk said that EU is harder, but to be honest it really doesn't matter unless you're in the top 200 yourself in which case you're most likely playing on all 3 ladders anyways
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hypno_toad
Profile Joined December 2010
United States156 Posts
February 12 2011 02:00 GMT
#186
IdrA, qxc, and Day9 are all from U.S. so we win
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 02:02:39
February 12 2011 02:02 GMT
#187
I duno, I mean, I would guess Europe before I played on either one of them. Doesn't Europe have 2-3x the population of the U.S.? The main contributor to the N.A. server?
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JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
February 12 2011 02:14 GMT
#188
I wish we could all stop flaming each other about which server is better and just all be grateful that we can enjoy this amazing game StarCraft 2.
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JayConn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States408 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 02:19:37
February 12 2011 02:18 GMT
#189
On February 12 2011 11:02 danl9rm wrote:
I duno, I mean, I would guess Europe before I played on either one of them. Doesn't Europe have 2-3x the population of the U.S.? The main contributor to the N.A. server?


The EU's population is 500 million to US+Canada's 345 million, but according to SC2ranks, Europe has 726,415 SC2 accounts to NA's 951,006.
Suzido
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden24 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 02:22:33
February 12 2011 02:20 GMT
#190
On February 12 2011 11:02 danl9rm wrote:
I duno, I mean, I would guess Europe before I played on either one of them. Doesn't Europe have 2-3x the population of the U.S.? The main contributor to the N.A. server?

Europe has about 700 million inhabitants, while NA has about 550 million iirc. Which country is the "main contributor" to what server is obviously irrelevant. Saying you shouldn't count Canada is like saying you shouldn't count Eastern Europe.

Anyways, judging from tourney results and the fame of the players in the top of both servers respectively, I would have to give it to EU.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 12 2011 17:37 GMT
#191
On February 12 2011 11:20 Suzido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 11:02 danl9rm wrote:
I duno, I mean, I would guess Europe before I played on either one of them. Doesn't Europe have 2-3x the population of the U.S.? The main contributor to the N.A. server?

Europe has about 700 million inhabitants, while NA has about 550 million iirc. Which country is the "main contributor" to what server is obviously irrelevant. Saying you shouldn't count Canada is like saying you shouldn't count Eastern Europe.

Anyways, judging from tourney results and the fame of the players in the top of both servers respectively, I would have to give it to EU.


It is relevant if a large percentage of your population is Mexico. Anyway, I don't know why I posted in this thread, the premise is inconsequential. So, I apologize.
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parn
Profile Joined December 2010
France296 Posts
February 12 2011 18:25 GMT
#192
On February 10 2011 02:49 SmoKim wrote:
wtf i hardly reconize anyone in top 10 on US except for SelecT o_0

Same

To all NA players feeling frustrated: playing on the "easy" server is not a shame, keep cool, it's ok
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Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 22:13:54
June 03 2012 22:13 GMT
#193
It might be inappropriate to bump this thread, but I think it's worth it. A lot has changed over a years time, and I think it's time to revisit the question. Back when this thread was created, I'd say that most everyone would agree EU was stronger (slightly). Is that still the case now?

I'm mostly asking because I am on the east coast of the US, so I can get decent latency on EU, but not at all to KR. Ideally I would be able to get a KR account for better practice, but I really can't. Is EU a better place for practice or roughly equal to NA now?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 03 2012 22:17 GMT
#194
On June 04 2012 07:13 Mr Showtime wrote:
It might be inappropriate to bump this thread, but I think it's worth it. A lot has changed over a years time, and I think it's time to revisit the question. Back when this thread was created, I'd say that most everyone would agree EU was stronger (slightly). Is that still the case now?

I'm mostly asking because I am on the east coast of the US, so I can get decent latency on EU, but not at all to KR. Ideally I would be able to get a KR account for better practice, but I really can't. Is EU a better place for practice or roughly equal to NA now?


I do not know the answer to your question. But I do know that you need to be at the very top for it to even matter. Basically, if you cannot get grandmaster on the US ladder then there is no point in switching.

(Sorry if you are GM already, I don't really follow the GM leagues)
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
June 03 2012 22:17 GMT
#195
Objectively, EU is stronger at the very top of the ladder (GM MMR ranges) but for the rest of the 99%, you wont find a difference in player strength.
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
June 03 2012 22:18 GMT
#196
EU is still better.
GreyishTommy
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland147 Posts
June 03 2012 22:23 GMT
#197
Yeah, i remember a recent interview from TT1, back when he moved to mTw, and he said that he managed to stay in the top 10 of the NA ladder during his studies, whereas in EU, while playing full time, he only got around the top100 at start
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
June 03 2012 22:24 GMT
#198
EU is Better I think in Master im usually 150-200 points lower on EU compared to NA (1400 and 1250ish)
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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
June 03 2012 22:32 GMT
#199
I don't think is even debatable anymore. The EU players have surpassed the NA players by far imo. The best players to come from the NA server haven't really performed much at all these days, as opposed to players like Thorzain or Stephano who both made fairly considerable splashes in the scene
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 03 2012 22:32 GMT
#200
korea > all.

I win.
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