I still remember playing against him in the WCG pre-qualifiers in 2003 back when he was known as HopeRice. Although he wasn't the best 1v1 player, he was still very good.

[Eternal]Phoenix

United States333 Posts

January 31 2011 16:36 GMT

#25

Being the top FFA player is like being the smartest kid in special ed.

Myrtroll

139 Posts

January 31 2011 16:57 GMT

#26

Seems to me the WC3 players have a hard time adjusting to SC2. The macro there was really easy compared to SC2, so I don't see how he would do any better than the other WC3 players here. He beat them with army and micro, not macro so any comparison between the two games isn't working.

The only thing I can think of being useful here is the mind game part. But that has a much bigger impact in WC3 FFA than in SC2, so not sure how useful that would be.

Being the top FFA player is like being the smartest kid in special ed.

Yet Grubby lost a lot of FFA's even under a smurf. It was a totally different game in WC3, and that is why it was good. If you haven't tried laddering the FFA ladder in WC3 you don't have a clue what you are talking about. High level solo players messing around with FFA was common, yet they lost a lot of matches due to not recognizing the mind game in there.

Sadly SC2 FFA isn't really an option like that without some tweaks. Unlimited resources at center locations, possible seeing how much resources a player has etc. should be implemented. Right now you aren't rewarded for fighting in there at all, so everyone just messes about.
(WC3 had upkeep, xp from fighting, and a sort of "power" ranking thanks to hero levels so there were plenty of strats to do there, in SC2 not so much and that is why FFA in SC2 is bad)

Sureshot

United States28 Posts

January 31 2011 17:03 GMT

#27

you can find him playing Money line wars and 4v4 custom games these days

RDon

Canada12 Posts

January 31 2011 20:18 GMT

#28

On January 31 2011 23:10 Zandar wrote:
Oh wow RDon, thanks for that info

Yes he was like that in WC3ffa too lol. A typical ffa game could take like 60min, but sometimes even multiple hours. He didn't like that, as soon as his army was strong enough he made sure the game was over fast. And yes he had some arrogance but I kind of liked his sharp remarks, added to the entertainment

Bit like Idra I guess.

No problem.

Yeah, he was a bit arrogant, but if you could see through the attitude, you'd realize that he was definitely giving good advice. He would frequently post on the official SupCom forums and gamereplays.org. People liked everything he said at gamereplays, because the average skill level there was much higher, but he was just called names and stuff on the official forums. It was hilarious how dumb the official forum goers were.

For those saying that he only got by with micro and no macro because WC3 had no macro, well, I'm just going to point out that SupCom was all macro and he raped that game. Just saying... I don't have huge WC3 experience, so please don't kill me.

On January 31 2011 23:10 timmyfred wrote:
Also, HEY RDON!

"Hmmmm... what's this guy's name again? timmyfred... I don't recognize it, sounds king of noobish. Spawning on Arctic Refuge, I guess I'll just use my typical noob crushing strategy. Mass factories, loop them on hunters, rally to the east of his southern mountains."

"Oh... he scouted my hunters. Uhhh... he's ignoring the group and picking off the reinforcements. I'll just pull my reinforcements back and harass with the small group I have then."

"Oh... he still has units in his base. Well, just a small group of hunters lost. I'll just regroup with more and charge him."

"Oh... he's harassing my outer mexes. Oh, he's expanding to the corner bases with his commander. Oh... this guy doesn't suck balls. Oh... he's pushing me back. Well, wtf am I supposed to do now? How did he get to my base already? Shit."

Yo timmy, what's your SC2 id?

MuTT

United States398 Posts

January 31 2011 20:32 GMT

#29

On January 31 2011 23:27 LagT_T wrote:
W3 macro != SC2 macro, not even by a long shot. Ask every W3 progamer that switched to SC2.

yeah lol insane wc3 macro haha. but at the same time sc2 macro =/= sc1 macro by a looooooooooong shot. But i think you are overhyping this guy cuz good war3 macro isn't any indicator that he will be a good sc2 macro player.

ed21x

United States103 Posts

January 31 2011 20:33 GMT

#30

i remember when he was infernal rice as well before he switched to invincible rice. a sick player, and was #20 on the NA 1v1 ladder at the height of when Grubby, Moon, etc were playing on the NA ladder as well. For those that have never played FFA on wc3, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Unlike SC/SC2 where FFA is mainly dependent on luck, wc3 ffa is definitely skill based because the game rewards you on being aggressive and fighting in the open. turtling in wc3 is how you get out leveled and die.

CryMeAReaper

Denmark1135 Posts

January 31 2011 20:47 GMT

#31

On January 31 2011 23:58 timmyfred wrote:
From his Facebook page, I found a link to his bnet profile. It doesn't look like he's playing too terribly much, or in any serious capacity.

lol hes 25-1 4v4

AnodyneSea

Jamaica757 Posts

January 31 2011 20:49 GMT

#32

68-11 in 3v3? what the hell....

ch33psh33p

7650 Posts

January 31 2011 20:54 GMT

#33

His record in 3v3 and 4v4 shows that his FFA skills clearly did translate over from WC3. He plays team games like FFA's, just with extra allies, so that he's probably winning alot of them single handely as the 63-11 and 25-1 are both in random teams. Don't underestimate his skill. He may never be great in 1v1, but he's clearly go some game.

25-1 4v4 Random Teams
63-11 3v3 Random Teams

Confuse

2238 Posts

January 31 2011 20:55 GMT

#34

On January 31 2011 22:57 nihoh wrote:
FFA in Warcraft III is fun. FFA in SC2 is shit. In fact, FFA in War3 plays out more like Starcraft 1v1's, funnily enough.

Rice probably never gonna play again. Miss those Clan Lone days. And PencilWarrior was pretty amazing too. Not shabby at 1s, and great at FFA.

Oh wow someone who knew PencilWarrior :o We were clan mates way back then... miss those times.

TBO

Germany1350 Posts

January 31 2011 21:26 GMT

#35

Unconq was one of the best and most fun players in supcom ever - I better not post why he got banned from the Beta forums of the expansion lol.

Cool to see him owning up teamgames :D

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if he if teamed up with a top player could beat every 2v2 team consisting of 2 (known) top players, more than 50% of the games.

RDon

Canada12 Posts

January 31 2011 21:54 GMT

#36

On February 01 2011 06:26 TBO wrote:
Unconq was one of the best and most fun players in supcom ever - I better not post why he got banned from the Beta forums of the expansion lol.

Please, do tell.

timmyfred

United States302 Posts

February 01 2011 00:58 GMT

#37

Let's just say that the beta was going on around the same time that 2girls1cup was getting big as a prank link, though I seem to recall that happening inside GPGnet while THQ guys were present, and not on the forums...

Or at least, that's my memory of it

RDon: timmyfred.553. Do you use mumble or teamspeak ever? I'm pretty terrible at sc2 atm, but would really love to have someone to practice with regularly since PINK et al are being gay and playing other shit all the time.

Flaunt

New Zealand784 Posts

February 01 2011 01:05 GMT

#38

On February 01 2011 01:57 Myrtroll wrote:
Seems to me the WC3 players have a hard time adjusting to SC2. The macro there was really easy compared to SC2, so I don't see how he would do any better than the other WC3 players here. He beat them with army and micro, not macro so any comparison between the two games isn't working.

The only thing I can think of being useful here is the mind game part. But that has a much bigger impact in WC3 FFA than in SC2, so not sure how useful that would be.

Show nested quote +

1/3 of the pro sc2 players are from wc3 -.-'. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188657 half of them are ex wc3 players, so i dotn know where you're getting the first line from...

Keitzer

United States2509 Posts

February 01 2011 01:46 GMT

#39

im still confused as why a good player like that would make the transition to a new game

imyzhang

Canada809 Posts

February 01 2011 02:12 GMT

#40

ffa...? is this a retarded troll? how does this even relate to being a good sc2 player? plenty of people who are top 200 haven't even touched rts before, let alone war3 ffa's.