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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 13:47 GMT
#1
http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=20

http://www.wcreplays.com/articles.php?get=186

Does anyone know if this guy made the transition to SC2? Both his macro and micro was totally insane.

I don't know how many people remember him, but his replays are for sure my most favorite RTS experiences of all times.

I've played all kinds of RTS since Dune, I started watching replays with SC1, was speechless when watching SlayersBoxer and Julyzerg for the first time, but no other player made me fall from my chair the way Rice could.
I watch sc2 vods and reps now 90% of the time, but I still have an old version of WC3 running to be able to watch his replays from time to time, somehow they never get old.

He was already a very good WC3 1vs1 player but then made the transition to FFA, 1v1v1v1
Soon he was rank 1 with insane win ratio. He was so good, that people had to team 3vs1 vs him as soon as they found out it was him. And then he still won.

1v1 is fair. FFA is not. There's hidden teaming, politics, backstabbing etc involved. Rice didn't need that, he just owned them all.
When you had a 100/100 army and he too, you would lose all and sometimes he didn't lose anything.

He would be such a great SC2 player, but since he stopped playing wc3 I never heard anything about him again, does anyone know what he's doing these days?


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
January 31 2011 13:55 GMT
#2
Why would anyone that was supposedly so good transition to FFA instead of 1v1 when there's nothing to gain from it aside from some e-fame?
I would think that noone good plays FFA (regularly) in wc3, just like noone does it in sc2. I would imagine you overestimate his skill.

To answer your question: I have no idea.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
January 31 2011 13:57 GMT
#3
FFA in Warcraft III is fun. FFA in SC2 is shit. In fact, FFA in War3 plays out more like Starcraft 1v1's, funnily enough.

Rice probably never gonna play again. Miss those Clan Lone days. And PencilWarrior was pretty amazing too. Not shabby at 1s, and great at FFA.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:04 GMT
#4
I would imagine you overestimate his skill.


I really don't.
As soon as he had a large enough army he was unbeatable. And he had the micro, macro, scouting, game sense to usually get to that point.

FFA in WC3 was indeed very different from 1v1. in 1v1 you wouldn't get large armies that often. FFA was more macro based.
He was a very good 1v1 player, but he was insane in FFA, with stats like 50-10 on ladder. I find WC3 ffa a lot closer to SC2 than WC3 1vs1, that's why I'd love to see him play SC2

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
RDon
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada12 Posts
January 31 2011 14:06 GMT
#5
This is awesome. I was actually wondering what happened to this guy, but I don't know him from WC3. He was really big in Supreme Commander with the name Unconquerable. One of the best players in that game, he was notorious for being rude and impolite, but only because he offered help that worked and would make you win games, not help that allowed you to play long drawn out games which is what the SupCom fanboys wanted.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:10 GMT
#6
Oh wow RDon, thanks for that info

Yes he was like that in WC3ffa too lol. A typical ffa game could take like 60min, but sometimes even multiple hours. He didn't like that, as soon as his army was strong enough he made sure the game was over fast. And yes he had some arrogance but I kind of liked his sharp remarks, added to the entertainment Bit like Idra I guess.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
January 31 2011 14:10 GMT
#7
On January 31 2011 22:47 Zandar wrote:
1v1 is fair. FFA is not.


1v1 is competitive. FFA is not.

Invincible Rice wasn't on the same planet as the elite WC3 players whether it be in macro, micro or anything else.
Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
January 31 2011 14:14 GMT
#8
FFA is kinda like paintball, the person who wins does so because he is an opportunist and either camped and shot people or rambo'ed and got everyone. The person with the best positioning but least amount of skill can easily win in sc2 if he turtles and doesnt get attacked til late when everyone else is weak.
Considering learning BW
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:18 GMT
#9

Invincible Rice wasn't on the same planet as the elite WC3 players whether it be in macro, micro or anything else.


Micro, maybe not although it was pretty damn good, macro, for sure. Quite a few WC3 gosus played him in ffa and couldn't beat him.

FFA was so much more macro focussed.
I know DeMuslim, Grubby etc played ffa too for fun from time to time to get their macro skills up and test the higher tier unit combinations.

Also, this thread is not meant as Rice fanboyism in the first place.
It's just that his replays gave me so much entertainment, I'd love to see him play again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
January 31 2011 14:22 GMT
#10
Hahaha yeah I remember watching a few of the replays, blademaster with 5 claws +12 and orb + bloodlust and spirit link, rawr , quite funny, but Wc3 ffa had almost nothing to do with 1on1, the time people gave him to get to his invincible army was nowhere near the time you had in a 1on1 , but when he did get the army/mapcontrol he wanted he was obviously very beasty in FFA :D
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holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
January 31 2011 14:23 GMT
#11
On January 31 2011 23:14 Atlare wrote:
FFA is kinda like paintball, the person who wins does so because he is an opportunist and either camped and shot people or rambo'ed and got everyone. The person with the best positioning but least amount of skill can easily win in sc2 if he turtles and doesnt get attacked til late when everyone else is weak.


Your analogy was like comparing bronze level play and not high level play in paintball. Please don't disrespect paintball. High level play is nothing like you mentioned.

And I watched a few games of this guy. It looks like he plays mostly no-names and bad players so it's hard to judge skill.
timmyfred
Profile Joined April 2010
United States302 Posts
January 31 2011 14:24 GMT
#12
On January 31 2011 23:06 RDon wrote:
This is awesome. I was actually wondering what happened to this guy, but I don't know him from WC3. He was really big in Supreme Commander with the name Unconquerable. One of the best players in that game, he was notorious for being rude and impolite, but only because he offered help that worked and would make you win games, not help that allowed you to play long drawn out games which is what the SupCom fanboys wanted.


Hunh...I always wondered where Unconq came from, because he was definitely too good to not be from some other RTS. He's the only player I ever played that I could demolish early game and still never beat, regardless of my advantage. I took mid against him on Seton's when the exp's were still there and still lost to him. Dude was sick.

Also, HEY RDON!
Chance favors the prepared mind. | Winners don't make excuses when the other side plays the game.
MegaBUD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada179 Posts
January 31 2011 14:25 GMT
#13
FFA is more based on luck and trash talk than skill...

Sure its fun... and awesome to watch but... SC2 shouldnt be balance around FFA.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:25 GMT
#14
On January 31 2011 23:14 Atlare wrote:
FFA is kinda like paintball, the person who wins does so because he is an opportunist and either camped and shot people or rambo'ed and got everyone. The person with the best positioning but least amount of skill can easily win in sc2 if he turtles and doesnt get attacked til late when everyone else is weak.


That's the thing, he didn't do that. He was constantly on the move, having great map control and scouting info and was a constant threat to the 3 other players all the time.

And I agree, SC2 ffa isn't fun.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
January 31 2011 14:27 GMT
#15
W3 macro != SC2 macro, not even by a long shot. Ask every W3 progamer that switched to SC2.
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rawe
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden83 Posts
January 31 2011 14:34 GMT
#16
Where can I download his replays, and what patch is the replays from?
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:34 GMT
#17
On January 31 2011 23:27 LagT_T wrote:
W3 macro != SC2 macro, not even by a long shot. Ask every W3 progamer that switched to SC2.


I know. WC3 1v1 had no real macro. Just stay on 1 base forever and small skirmishes.

But WC3 FFA really was much closer to SC2 1v1. Mass expanding, big armies, economic play, map control etc

But let's not let this thread go into another SC2>WC3 discussion please, I agree with that already anyway

This thread is about a great player who seems to have done as well in Suppreme Commander as in WC3 ffa.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:38 GMT
#18
On January 31 2011 23:34 rawe wrote:
Where can I download his replays, and what patch is the replays from?


I think there's a zip somewhere with all of them, can't find it so soon but if I do I'll post it here.

Meanwhile some of them can still be found with the webarchiver:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.homanx.com/extra/ffa

patch was 1.16 I think
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
rawe
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden83 Posts
January 31 2011 14:47 GMT
#19
On January 31 2011 23:38 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 23:34 rawe wrote:
Where can I download his replays, and what patch is the replays from?


I think there's a zip somewhere with all of them, can't find it so soon but if I do I'll post it here.

Meanwhile some of them can still be found with the webarchiver:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.homanx.com/extra/ffa

patch was 1.16 I think


How do I watch a 1.16 replay? I really feel like playing some FFA now, need some inspiration
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 14:56 GMT
#20
On January 31 2011 23:47 rawe wrote:
How do I watch a 1.16 replay? I really feel like playing some FFA now, need some inspiration


Hm I use a program called evercraft but it's not online anymore it seems. Maybe try this:

http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116031
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
timmyfred
Profile Joined April 2010
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 15:02:08
January 31 2011 14:58 GMT
#21
From his Facebook page, I found a link to his bnet profile. It doesn't look like he's playing too terribly much, or in any serious capacity.
Chance favors the prepared mind. | Winners don't make excuses when the other side plays the game.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
January 31 2011 15:18 GMT
#22
Ah too bad, nice find though
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
MaxwelsDemoN
Profile Joined September 2010
57 Posts
January 31 2011 16:33 GMT
#23
He's got some pretty nice stats though, even if he hasn't played much.
phate
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
January 31 2011 16:35 GMT
#24
I still remember playing against him in the WCG pre-qualifiers in 2003 back when he was known as HopeRice. Although he wasn't the best 1v1 player, he was still very good.
[Eternal]Phoenix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States333 Posts
January 31 2011 16:36 GMT
#25
Being the top FFA player is like being the smartest kid in special ed.
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Myrtroll
Profile Joined December 2010
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 16:59:58
January 31 2011 16:57 GMT
#26
Seems to me the WC3 players have a hard time adjusting to SC2. The macro there was really easy compared to SC2, so I don't see how he would do any better than the other WC3 players here. He beat them with army and micro, not macro so any comparison between the two games isn't working.

The only thing I can think of being useful here is the mind game part. But that has a much bigger impact in WC3 FFA than in SC2, so not sure how useful that would be.

Being the top FFA player is like being the smartest kid in special ed.

Yet Grubby lost a lot of FFA's even under a smurf. It was a totally different game in WC3, and that is why it was good. If you haven't tried laddering the FFA ladder in WC3 you don't have a clue what you are talking about. High level solo players messing around with FFA was common, yet they lost a lot of matches due to not recognizing the mind game in there.

Sadly SC2 FFA isn't really an option like that without some tweaks. Unlimited resources at center locations, possible seeing how much resources a player has etc. should be implemented. Right now you aren't rewarded for fighting in there at all, so everyone just messes about.
(WC3 had upkeep, xp from fighting, and a sort of "power" ranking thanks to hero levels so there were plenty of strats to do there, in SC2 not so much and that is why FFA in SC2 is bad)

Sureshot
Profile Joined April 2010
United States28 Posts
January 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#27
you can find him playing Money line wars and 4v4 custom games these days
RDon
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada12 Posts
January 31 2011 20:18 GMT
#28
On January 31 2011 23:10 Zandar wrote:
Oh wow RDon, thanks for that info

Yes he was like that in WC3ffa too lol. A typical ffa game could take like 60min, but sometimes even multiple hours. He didn't like that, as soon as his army was strong enough he made sure the game was over fast. And yes he had some arrogance but I kind of liked his sharp remarks, added to the entertainment Bit like Idra I guess.


No problem.

Yeah, he was a bit arrogant, but if you could see through the attitude, you'd realize that he was definitely giving good advice. He would frequently post on the official SupCom forums and gamereplays.org. People liked everything he said at gamereplays, because the average skill level there was much higher, but he was just called names and stuff on the official forums. It was hilarious how dumb the official forum goers were.

For those saying that he only got by with micro and no macro because WC3 had no macro, well, I'm just going to point out that SupCom was all macro and he raped that game. Just saying... I don't have huge WC3 experience, so please don't kill me.

On January 31 2011 23:10 timmyfred wrote:
Also, HEY RDON!


"Hmmmm... what's this guy's name again? timmyfred... I don't recognize it, sounds king of noobish. Spawning on Arctic Refuge, I guess I'll just use my typical noob crushing strategy. Mass factories, loop them on hunters, rally to the east of his southern mountains."

"Oh... he scouted my hunters. Uhhh... he's ignoring the group and picking off the reinforcements. I'll just pull my reinforcements back and harass with the small group I have then."

"Oh... he still has units in his base. Well, just a small group of hunters lost. I'll just regroup with more and charge him."

"Oh... he's harassing my outer mexes. Oh, he's expanding to the corner bases with his commander. Oh... this guy doesn't suck balls. Oh... he's pushing me back. Well, wtf am I supposed to do now? How did he get to my base already? Shit."

Yo timmy, what's your SC2 id?

MuTT
Profile Joined July 2010
United States398 Posts
January 31 2011 20:32 GMT
#29
On January 31 2011 23:27 LagT_T wrote:
W3 macro != SC2 macro, not even by a long shot. Ask every W3 progamer that switched to SC2.

yeah lol insane wc3 macro haha. but at the same time sc2 macro =/= sc1 macro by a looooooooooong shot. But i think you are overhyping this guy cuz good war3 macro isn't any indicator that he will be a good sc2 macro player.
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ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
January 31 2011 20:33 GMT
#30
i remember when he was infernal rice as well before he switched to invincible rice. a sick player, and was #20 on the NA 1v1 ladder at the height of when Grubby, Moon, etc were playing on the NA ladder as well. For those that have never played FFA on wc3, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Unlike SC/SC2 where FFA is mainly dependent on luck, wc3 ffa is definitely skill based because the game rewards you on being aggressive and fighting in the open. turtling in wc3 is how you get out leveled and die.
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CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
January 31 2011 20:47 GMT
#31
On January 31 2011 23:58 timmyfred wrote:
From his Facebook page, I found a link to his bnet profile. It doesn't look like he's playing too terribly much, or in any serious capacity.


lol hes 25-1 4v4
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AnodyneSea
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 21:09:54
January 31 2011 20:49 GMT
#32
68-11 in 3v3? what the hell....
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
January 31 2011 20:54 GMT
#33
His record in 3v3 and 4v4 shows that his FFA skills clearly did translate over from WC3. He plays team games like FFA's, just with extra allies, so that he's probably winning alot of them single handely as the 63-11 and 25-1 are both in random teams. Don't underestimate his skill. He may never be great in 1v1, but he's clearly go some game.

25-1 4v4 Random Teams
63-11 3v3 Random Teams
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Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
January 31 2011 20:55 GMT
#34
On January 31 2011 22:57 nihoh wrote:
FFA in Warcraft III is fun. FFA in SC2 is shit. In fact, FFA in War3 plays out more like Starcraft 1v1's, funnily enough.

Rice probably never gonna play again. Miss those Clan Lone days. And PencilWarrior was pretty amazing too. Not shabby at 1s, and great at FFA.


Oh wow someone who knew PencilWarrior :o We were clan mates way back then... miss those times.
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 21:30:58
January 31 2011 21:26 GMT
#35
Unconq was one of the best and most fun players in supcom ever - I better not post why he got banned from the Beta forums of the expansion lol.

Cool to see him owning up teamgames :D

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if he if teamed up with a top player could beat every 2v2 team consisting of 2 (known) top players, more than 50% of the games.
RDon
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada12 Posts
January 31 2011 21:54 GMT
#36
On February 01 2011 06:26 TBO wrote:
Unconq was one of the best and most fun players in supcom ever - I better not post why he got banned from the Beta forums of the expansion lol.


Please, do tell.
timmyfred
Profile Joined April 2010
United States302 Posts
February 01 2011 00:58 GMT
#37
Let's just say that the beta was going on around the same time that 2girls1cup was getting big as a prank link, though I seem to recall that happening inside GPGnet while THQ guys were present, and not on the forums...

Or at least, that's my memory of it

RDon: timmyfred.553. Do you use mumble or teamspeak ever? I'm pretty terrible at sc2 atm, but would really love to have someone to practice with regularly since PINK et al are being gay and playing other shit all the time.
Chance favors the prepared mind. | Winners don't make excuses when the other side plays the game.
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
February 01 2011 01:05 GMT
#38
On February 01 2011 01:57 Myrtroll wrote:
Seems to me the WC3 players have a hard time adjusting to SC2. The macro there was really easy compared to SC2, so I don't see how he would do any better than the other WC3 players here. He beat them with army and micro, not macro so any comparison between the two games isn't working.

The only thing I can think of being useful here is the mind game part. But that has a much bigger impact in WC3 FFA than in SC2, so not sure how useful that would be.

Show nested quote +
Being the top FFA player is like being the smartest kid in special ed.

Yet Grubby lost a lot of FFA's even under a smurf. It was a totally different game in WC3, and that is why it was good. If you haven't tried laddering the FFA ladder in WC3 you don't have a clue what you are talking about. High level solo players messing around with FFA was common, yet they lost a lot of matches due to not recognizing the mind game in there.

Sadly SC2 FFA isn't really an option like that without some tweaks. Unlimited resources at center locations, possible seeing how much resources a player has etc. should be implemented. Right now you aren't rewarded for fighting in there at all, so everyone just messes about.
(WC3 had upkeep, xp from fighting, and a sort of "power" ranking thanks to hero levels so there were plenty of strats to do there, in SC2 not so much and that is why FFA in SC2 is bad)



1/3 of the pro sc2 players are from wc3 -.-'. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188657 half of them are ex wc3 players, so i dotn know where you're getting the first line from...
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
February 01 2011 01:46 GMT
#39
im still confused as why a good player like that would make the transition to a new game
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imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
February 01 2011 02:12 GMT
#40
ffa...? is this a retarded troll? how does this even relate to being a good sc2 player? plenty of people who are top 200 haven't even touched rts before, let alone war3 ffa's.
bleh
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
February 01 2011 02:34 GMT
#41
I haven't talked to Rice in probably more than 8 months, so I'm not sure what he's up to.

I think xHunters (Clan Lone's founder) plays SC2...but haven't talked to him since about October. He's probably very busy with IRL stuff these days, but I know he was active under different account names for a very, very long time.

F-L-Y definitely plays SC2; he's on my friends list. I don't know if he quite understands the flow of the game just yet, though. He was/is insanely good at War3 FFA, with over 200 APM averages in many of his FFA games that were lasting well over 45 minutes, and the critical decision-making that helped him decide who, when, and where to fight. He was a strong solo player in that game, too. The guy started with Elf and then transitioned to Undead, but honestly could play any race he wanted. I think when some things click in his mind for SC2, he's going to be an utter beast.

I know a few other of the strong FFA players from War3 ended up getting into SC2; I remember my friend Louis showed up on CellaWeRRa's stream a couple of months ago. But there's definitely a number of the FFA players who still prefer War3 because they just enjoy the heroes so much.
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InfernoRice
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1 Post
February 03 2011 04:58 GMT
#42
Haha, my old clanmate linked me to this thread... I am surprised people still remember me...

I wasn't the greatest solo, but I was #8 on NA ladder once upon a time, I wanted #1 but people offered to pay me money to rush their accounts so I did that for a while and then never really played 1v1 competitively anymore after that... Switched to FFA, felt it was an interesting side of the game that no one really played outside of a small niche, lost interest in solo after that. I have no disillusions, I would have never been as good as someone like Grubby, but at the same time I feel I could have hang with the NA "pros" at the time like shortround, rs.wizard, etc.

I remember the last few days push to first level 50 ffa was so painful, search for 10 hours only to have 3 people gangrape me cuz I am on their friendlist, looking back I still had more fun playing FFA then solo. Sometimes it is so unfair and there is nothing you can do but fight your way out of 3 100/100 armies but it was much more satisfying, even tho most people that played FFA were pretty bad players in terms of micro/macro. Since everyone knows who dayvie is now, me and him used to destroy people in 2v2 in wc3 roc, good times, go 50-0 with nothing but mass witchdocs and footmen!

Supcom had potential but at it's core I think it was incredibly hard to balance because of exponetial growth of unit strength and resources during the duration of a game. Doesn't help that IMO the GPG team had no idea what balance was and was more interested in big robot explosions doing unlimited damage than actually making the game balanced. It was fun but I lost interest at the end so was just asking for a ban, the small community was full of with idiots obsessed with graphics with no clue whatsoever in making a game balanced and challenging. Aside from TheLittleOne and a handful of others, most people can be beaten by the same strat with decent micro/macro alone (not that there were many strats), the ceiling of skill was very limited and actual good players can be counted on 2 hands.

I tried to make myself care to play competitively (1 step down from pro level) in sc2 beta, did decent but now I am old and have responsibilities and what's important to me isn't the same anymore... Being really good at a game is not one of them anymore, I know if I really tried, I can be top 200 on NA ladder no problem but I don't have the desire to do so anymore... After a long day at work, the last thing I want to do is fight someone that requires 100% concentration and 0 distractions. That's why I just play income wars and facebook LOL. I played some team games with some old friends that are pretty good, so we got some good records but I quit doing that too, it's too draining and stressful. I don't want to come home just to shout to each other on mics trying to coordinate rushes and hold pushes. We only play without mics and on the flow of the game, so we actually lose to good players that has mics and solid game plans... And I come to find I hate losing because of half assing on my part, so all in all, I quit ladder. If I can't play to the level I want to play at, I whether not play at all.

Anyway if you want to play some crappy customs with me, msg me... There is a good chance tho that I will keep alt tabbing to facebook and play cityville tho lol... Sorry, I am just another nameless custom playing newb now
Howdoom
Profile Joined May 2010
United States5 Posts
February 03 2011 05:07 GMT
#43
Thanks for coming here and posting this invisiblerice. Its nice to know that some old FFA pros still are alive and kicking.

Now all you Clan Lone people that played in 4v4 protocol. Do any of you still continue to play?
Flashback-
Profile Joined November 2010
65 Posts
February 03 2011 05:08 GMT
#44
If anyone is interested, wcr did an interview/article with him

http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=20
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
February 03 2011 05:14 GMT
#45
On January 31 2011 23:18 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +

Invincible Rice wasn't on the same planet as the elite WC3 players whether it be in macro, micro or anything else.


Micro, maybe not although it was pretty damn good, macro, for sure. Quite a few WC3 gosus played him in ffa and couldn't beat him.

FFA was so much more macro focussed.
I know DeMuslim, Grubby etc played ffa too for fun from time to time to get their macro skills up and test the higher tier unit combinations.

Also, this thread is not meant as Rice fanboyism in the first place.
It's just that his replays gave me so much entertainment, I'd love to see him play again.

I played against Grubby in a FFA once, it was on an 8 (4v4) player map where he was in a corner with other people directly to both sides, and I was alone in the other side of the map. Got mass frost wyrms in peace and he still raped me with a smaller army that wasn't focused on anti air, after having eliminated both people around him.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
February 03 2011 05:29 GMT
#46
All hail rice clan, the most awesome BW clan to ever exist.
http://www.justin.tv/link0 - Gosu.Linko - http://www.facebook.com/link0
RDon
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 05:57:18
February 03 2011 05:56 GMT
#47
On February 03 2011 13:58 InfernoRice wrote: Doesn't help that IMO the GPG team had no idea what balance was and was more interested in big robot explosions doing unlimited damage than actually making the game balanced. It was fun but I lost interest at the end so was just asking for a ban, the small community was full of with idiots obsessed with graphics with no clue whatsoever in making a game balanced and challenging.


One might say that they were bad and wrong, perhaps?

I pray that you didn't ever expose yourself to the mess that was SupCom2.
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
February 03 2011 06:12 GMT
#48
On February 03 2011 13:58 InfernoRice wrote:
Haha, my old clanmate linked me to this thread... I am surprised people still remember me...

I wasn't the greatest solo, but I was #8 on NA ladder once upon a time, I wanted #1 but people offered to pay me money to rush their accounts so I did that for a while and then never really played 1v1 competitively anymore after that... Switched to FFA, felt it was an interesting side of the game that no one really played outside of a small niche, lost interest in solo after that. I have no disillusions, I would have never been as good as someone like Grubby, but at the same time I feel I could have hang with the NA "pros" at the time like shortround, rs.wizard, etc.

I remember the last few days push to first level 50 ffa was so painful, search for 10 hours only to have 3 people gangrape me cuz I am on their friendlist, looking back I still had more fun playing FFA then solo. Sometimes it is so unfair and there is nothing you can do but fight your way out of 3 100/100 armies but it was much more satisfying, even tho most people that played FFA were pretty bad players in terms of micro/macro. Since everyone knows who dayvie is now, me and him used to destroy people in 2v2 in wc3 roc, good times, go 50-0 with nothing but mass witchdocs and footmen!

Supcom had potential but at it's core I think it was incredibly hard to balance because of exponetial growth of unit strength and resources during the duration of a game. Doesn't help that IMO the GPG team had no idea what balance was and was more interested in big robot explosions doing unlimited damage than actually making the game balanced. It was fun but I lost interest at the end so was just asking for a ban, the small community was full of with idiots obsessed with graphics with no clue whatsoever in making a game balanced and challenging. Aside from TheLittleOne and a handful of others, most people can be beaten by the same strat with decent micro/macro alone (not that there were many strats), the ceiling of skill was very limited and actual good players can be counted on 2 hands.

I tried to make myself care to play competitively (1 step down from pro level) in sc2 beta, did decent but now I am old and have responsibilities and what's important to me isn't the same anymore... Being really good at a game is not one of them anymore, I know if I really tried, I can be top 200 on NA ladder no problem but I don't have the desire to do so anymore... After a long day at work, the last thing I want to do is fight someone that requires 100% concentration and 0 distractions. That's why I just play income wars and facebook LOL. I played some team games with some old friends that are pretty good, so we got some good records but I quit doing that too, it's too draining and stressful. I don't want to come home just to shout to each other on mics trying to coordinate rushes and hold pushes. We only play without mics and on the flow of the game, so we actually lose to good players that has mics and solid game plans... And I come to find I hate losing because of half assing on my part, so all in all, I quit ladder. If I can't play to the level I want to play at, I whether not play at all.

Anyway if you want to play some crappy customs with me, msg me... There is a good chance tho that I will keep alt tabbing to facebook and play cityville tho lol... Sorry, I am just another nameless custom playing newb now


Thanks for the input

Sounds like you would have a blast playing "Phantom mode". Have you tried that?

8 People enter the game. All are set the allied by default. One, maybe 2 are "Phantoms". They are the bad guys. It's everyone verse the Phantom(s). The problem is there's no indicator of who is who. Phantoms get bonus money/supply over time.

The players are generally bad and being a Phantom can be quite easy. However, it is quite satisfying rolling up a non-Phantom, looking around, realizing "I can kill everyone" and just eliminate Phantom and non-Phantoms alike alone

Phantom mode be up your alley but the player quality might even be lower than Free For All. Being a non-Phantom and going for kill-alls might be fun though!
HellsHeaven
Profile Joined January 2011
South Africa12 Posts
February 03 2011 06:22 GMT
#49
Sounds like the Unconq I heard about from SupCom.
Fear the reaper man
carbon_based
Profile Joined December 2010
United States46 Posts
February 03 2011 06:54 GMT
#50
haha, i used to be in clan THE with pencil, and i've seen a few of ur replays rice, you really should try ffa in sc2 with protoss, a warcraft 3 player would love it, mothership town portals, sentry protection scrolls, mass warden - er stalker. i wish there was an ffa ladder myself as i've got a pretty decent record which u can approximate by level of ffa achievement vs. # of games played (finally a use for achievements), but as there is no rating or ladder, it is hard to guage skill as win % discrepancies rely very much on luck and playstyle rather than solid ffa play when there is an open opponent pool.

and seriously guys do you have to come into ffa or team threads and dump on everyone with remarks about how skill-less the game type is? there is plenty of skill required for ffa, random and arranged teams alike, and discussing it isn't a threat to the 1v1 game type at all. seriously all u guys are kanye at the vma right now, we know 1:1 is king you dont have to shout it every time some other format is mentioned.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1830689/zugzwang
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
February 03 2011 08:02 GMT
#51
Oh wow, those 3v3/4v4 random team records on him are quite impressive. Definitely a ton of potential there, you know he must've carried at least 1-2 teammates' worth in many of those games. Shame he doesn't want to be a progamer :<
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
February 03 2011 08:13 GMT
#52
I'm pretty sure I played him back in the day.
Going 3-0 in FFA puts you really high in the AMM.
i c u
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
February 03 2011 08:17 GMT
#53
At first I thought the name was reffering to Hon/dota ricing heroes. And after reading the op (which was quite exhilarating btw) Im glad you shared this with us.

Does anyone perchance know where I could go to see some good VoDs of WC3 (Undead particularly), im not a big fan of watching replays without commentary unless im trying to get better at a game (sorry if this isnt the place to ask)
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
February 03 2011 09:02 GMT
#54
Wow Rice, thanks for posting here =)

Thx for the great entertaining WC3 content you provided, I know I was very Ill in bed one week and your replays made it a great week anyway hehe.

I can perfectly understand that you cannot commit so much time to a game anymore when getting older.
Still, SC2 games usually don't last longer than 30min, so there's no real excuses to play some more from time to time

And of course, PencilWarrior, F-L-Y, and all other great FFA players as well. And Slack for keeping that site running all this time.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
February 03 2011 09:36 GMT
#55
Where is Pencil Warrior? Can't believe Mr Leung replied haha.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 09:43:41
February 03 2011 09:42 GMT
#56
On February 03 2011 15:54 carbon_based wrote:
haha, i used to be in clan THE with pencil, and i've seen a few of ur replays rice, you really should try ffa in sc2 with protoss, a warcraft 3 player would love it, mothership town portals, sentry protection scrolls, mass warden - er stalker. i wish there was an ffa ladder myself as i've got a pretty decent record which u can approximate by level of ffa achievement vs. # of games played (finally a use for achievements), but as there is no rating or ladder, it is hard to guage skill as win % discrepancies rely very much on luck and playstyle rather than solid ffa play when there is an open opponent pool.

and seriously guys do you have to come into ffa or team threads and dump on everyone with remarks about how skill-less the game type is? there is plenty of skill required for ffa, random and arranged teams alike, and discussing it isn't a threat to the 1v1 game type at all. seriously all u guys are kanye at the vma right now, we know 1:1 is king you dont have to shout it every time some other format is mentioned.


Clan THE was started by me (and pencil... and blah blah blah the 10 people you need or whatever, but i was chieftan for a time! haha) I passed it to Pencil after going on break from wc3 for a month. Remember Confuse by any chance? Wow so nostalgic
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
February 19 2011 10:28 GMT
#57
don't mean to resurrect this thread, but seeing some old names show up here is pretty nolstalgic to me and I'm sure some people who were really into wc3 during the early 2000's would appreciate this. I just remember Rice being amongst my favorite players to watch because the battles were so big and crazy in ffa. Other names like apm70, spirit.moon, rival.showtime, and of course grubby represent a time when the pro-scene was at the top, and boxer, yellow, Jolly, and Grr were still duking it out for bw supremacy.
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