• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:11
CEST 12:11
KST 19:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris20Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
Joined effort Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD New season has just come in ladder BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group B [ASL20] Ro24 Group C BWCL Season 63 Announcement [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The year 2050 Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2871 users

Paying to watch GSL matches... Is it a good idea? - Page 21

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 31 Next All
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
January 31 2011 11:13 GMT
#401
Worth it for me, I watch the VOD library on the weekends as I'm not always able to watch the live matches due to family, work and the like.

And it's supporting GOM to make better output, so that's fine by me - it's not an arm or a leg price really.
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
bigjmachine
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 11:22:46
January 31 2011 11:22 GMT
#402
Worth it. VOD's and HQ stream. Plus its helping the GSL stream
ㅈㅈ
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
January 31 2011 11:31 GMT
#403
Paying a few bucks for such a high quality content is totally worth it. It's by far the best coverage you can get for a SC2 event or eSport in generell. I don't understand why people complain about it as the SQ is even free to watch for everyone (it's not GOMTVs fault that your timezone is a bit "shitty").
/o\
DrunkeN.
Profile Joined September 2010
United States406 Posts
January 31 2011 11:35 GMT
#404
If it was free I wouldn't even bother watching the gsl. I've paid for every season so far and enjoyed it quite a bit... So much content.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
January 31 2011 11:38 GMT
#405
It kills any potential newcomers, since they can't watch VOD's and the live stream time is usually too late or too early for other countries in the world.

Steps to watch GOM:
1: Register on the website
2: Download and install GOMTV players
3: tune in a 6O'clock in the morning
4: Log in to the website to be able to start the stream

if you want to watch vods or higher quality stream you have to:
5: Pay for it

Too many steps and it costs money, not the best way to get huge amount of viewers. Additionally the time at which the games starts is really crap for viewers and only unemployed teens can view it at those time, anyone with work or other life responsibilities is going to have a hard time tuning in at those times.
port
Profile Joined August 2010
19 Posts
January 31 2011 11:41 GMT
#406
I payed every season so far and its totally worth it ..10$ for a month of sc2 vods and livestream is not too much imo.
DrunkeN.
Profile Joined September 2010
United States406 Posts
January 31 2011 11:43 GMT
#407
How can people complain about the time. It's in Korea FFS. They suppose to play in the early morning for us in the USA. Get real. It's not all about American viewers.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 11:47:33
January 31 2011 11:46 GMT
#408
On January 31 2011 20:38 thehitman wrote:
It kills any potential newcomers, since they can't watch VOD's and the live stream time is usually too late or too early for other countries in the world.

Steps to watch GOM:
1: Register on the website
2: Download and install GOMTV players
3: tune in a 6O'clock in the morning
4: Log in to the website to be able to start the stream

if you want to watch vods or higher quality stream you have to:
5: Pay for it

Too many steps and it costs money, not the best way to get huge amount of viewers. Additionally the time at which the games starts is really crap for viewers and only unemployed teens can view it at those time, anyone with work or other life responsibilities is going to have a hard time tuning in at those times.

The first video of every set is free. If newcomers want to watch, it's very easy to. I don't think you even need an account to watch it.

EDIT: Yep, just tested. Even G1 of the finals is free.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Arckan
Profile Joined September 2010
243 Posts
January 31 2011 11:48 GMT
#409
The point of this thread isn't "$10 isn't worth it". Not many people will argue that $10 is an extravagant price for the content you're receiving. The concept being presented is that having VODs being a paid-only experience restricts growing interest in the game from a GSL standpoint.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 31 2011 11:57 GMT
#410
On January 31 2011 20:48 Arckan wrote:
The point of this thread isn't "$10 isn't worth it". Not many people will argue that $10 is an extravagant price for the content you're receiving. The concept being presented is that having VODs being a paid-only experience restricts growing interest in the game from a GSL standpoint.

Only for certain time zones though. It's fine for Europeans.
Maybe they should change what VODs are free.
Instead of first match of every series free, perhaps the tournament up to Ro16 is free.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 12:12:12
January 31 2011 12:05 GMT
#411
On January 31 2011 20:46 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 20:38 thehitman wrote:
It kills any potential newcomers, since they can't watch VOD's and the live stream time is usually too late or too early for other countries in the world.

Steps to watch GOM:
1: Register on the website
2: Download and install GOMTV players
3: tune in a 6O'clock in the morning
4: Log in to the website to be able to start the stream

if you want to watch vods or higher quality stream you have to:
5: Pay for it

Too many steps and it costs money, not the best way to get huge amount of viewers. Additionally the time at which the games starts is really crap for viewers and only unemployed teens can view it at those time, anyone with work or other life responsibilities is going to have a hard time tuning in at those times.

The first video of every set is free. If newcomers want to watch, it's very easy to. I don't think you even need an account to watch it.

EDIT: Yep, just tested. Even G1 of the finals is free.


That is if you

a) Find their website
b) create an account
c) download their player
d) download their codecs

Of course if newcomers want to watch GSL they will. That's not the point. The point is to introduce more viewers to the GSL expirience so they become customers. The first vod of every set should be on youtube and on the gsl site they should use the youtube player for the first vod aswell. That way they could boost viewernumbers and exposure.

edit: Or I'm doing something wrong because I can't get the vods to work logged out.
Gigadrill
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia52 Posts
January 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#412
I think a large deterrent from paying for GSL coverage (at least in the case of me and my friends) is that the gom player it requires you to use doesn't seem to be very good.

Having to install a player just for the sole purpose of watching GSL seems little excessive and despite how insignificant it may actually be it's still what's been stopping me.

But having said that, I have actually seen some people who are restreaming it use an ip/url in VLC player to watch it but obviously that is still excess work when they could just stream it like any other streaming website.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#413
On January 31 2011 20:57 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 20:48 Arckan wrote:
The point of this thread isn't "$10 isn't worth it". Not many people will argue that $10 is an extravagant price for the content you're receiving. The concept being presented is that having VODs being a paid-only experience restricts growing interest in the game from a GSL standpoint.

Only for certain time zones though. It's fine for Europeans.
Maybe they should change what VODs are free.
Instead of first match of every series free, perhaps the tournament up to Ro16 is free.


It's not fine for Europeans really - anyone with a job or at school is unable to watch.

The OP raises a valid point, I have several friends who I think would enjoy SC2 but it's difficult to get them to watch GSL when there are so many obstacles, minor and major. Sure I could point them to some normal cast on TL but it's far from the same thing.
Myrtroll
Profile Joined December 2010
139 Posts
January 31 2011 12:32 GMT
#414
It's not fine for Europeans really - anyone with a job or at school is unable to watch.


Bet you a lot of the viewers are watching it at work

Anyways, that's a good reason to buy the ticket. HQ VOD's are awesome. And all the "hard steps" people are funny. I would say it's more time consuming and just as hard to go to the nearest grocer and pay for stuff there. Get used to it, stuff on the internet will not be free much longer. We've been heading in that direction for years now.
Tarodent
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1 Post
January 31 2011 12:35 GMT
#415
Actually i am glad to pay for it.

I remember the bad quality and streaming for the first seasons vod's but now it is all better !

hates of love getting up at 4am to watch day 9
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
January 31 2011 12:42 GMT
#416
On January 31 2011 20:48 Arckan wrote:
The point of this thread isn't "$10 isn't worth it". Not many people will argue that $10 is an extravagant price for the content you're receiving. The concept being presented is that having VODs being a paid-only experience restricts growing interest in the game from a GSL standpoint.


Except there's a free stream.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 31 2011 12:45 GMT
#417
You guys still don't get it, it's not about if it's worth it or not. Of course it's worth it, I don't think many here disagree. It's about what effect it has on attracting new potential viewers. Register, download and install a probably unheard of player and then pay 15 bucks or whatever it is just to be able to watch a BO3 are no small hurdles for someone new to the scene and esports.
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
January 31 2011 12:47 GMT
#418
I think its quite a stupid question because if you want Esports to succeed, there has to be some sort of income backing it. Obviously SC2 doesnt have loads of corporate sponsors unlike NFL so every dollar we chip into SC2 counts. Its money to:

- help the stream
- help to keep GSL going
- create a fancy prize pool for the competitors to be motivated
- show the koreans that the SC2 has potential to be HUGE, not only in korea
- show that we want Esports to continue to flourish with SC2

I do agree with some of the people here though. GOM could make like previous 2-3 seasons' vods free to play since nobody is gonna buy season 1 tickets. so might aswell release them as vods!
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
January 31 2011 12:48 GMT
#419
On January 31 2011 06:37 stork4ever wrote:
I cant even be bothered to do their sign ups to watch the free content. I followed Sc2 religiously in the beginning but alas it has become too commercialized and flooded with excess commentators. I watch Day9 for SC2 and thats about it.

I will however continue to stay up till 3 am to watch the beesuit



I'm exactly the same, the second i saw that you had to sign up to watch SC2 live i didnt bother.
Now later when i really felt like watching the GSL i signed up and the stream was so fucking laggy that i could only watch 3 sets before turning it off out of frustration.

If GOM would allow their free content onto YouTube then they would get more exposure, but the best way to further e-sports would that all their content except a Ultra-quality stream with a chat window implemented would be free. They can't just start taking payments for people to watch live streams of a relatively new game.

I have never gotten into anything that requires me to pay first, so i'm 100% sure that GOM will never get anywhere except for diehard fans paying for their services.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
January 31 2011 12:50 GMT
#420
Well, with the amount of tournaments being ran almost non-stop, with the quality on the rise, I find it hard to justify paying for GSL. Look at tournaments like Reddit invitational, IEM, TL opens, all of them churn out more games than GSL can ever hope to. Reddit was perfectly timed with all the hype and intro videos, if GOM could just put together a short intros for the players and put it up on youtube or something, there would be way more interest. TL open is the thing to watch if you want to see up and coming players and these tournaments also dropped most of the stupid maps of the map pool. I find it borderline retarded when you have all the players admitting that playing ZvT on JB/SoW/etc. is like getting kicked in the balls, yet they still force them to do it.

As someone said, they are catering to the hardcore minority and while I consider myself quite hardcore too, I'm more familiar with USA/EU players than the korean ones and they aren't helping things.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #103
CranKy Ducklings41
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
MindelVK 3
RotterdaM 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 6200
Killer 795
PianO 511
Larva 404
Pusan 355
ggaemo 323
Hyun 322
Rush 213
firebathero 183
Soma 170
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 84
Last 45
Free 24
Noble 23
NaDa 22
NotJumperer 21
HiyA 14
soO 10
Dota 2
XcaliburYe621
febbydoto10
League of Legends
Dendi800
JimRising 358
Counter-Strike
summit1g7768
olofmeister1794
x6flipin216
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King61
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor192
Other Games
singsing1996
Happy464
SortOf129
Nina125
rGuardiaN37
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH416
• Reevou 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1331
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
49m
ByuN vs herO
MaxPax vs Zoun
Clem vs NightMare
SC Evo League
1h 49m
Chat StarLeague
5h 49m
Razz vs Julia
StRyKeR vs ZZZero
Semih vs TBD
Replay Cast
13h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
23h 49m
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
1d
RotterdaM Event
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Cosmonarchy
5 days
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSLAN 3
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.