EPTBut I totally understand that it is a bad thing to attract new people. Money instantly discourage 95% of their potential viewers (if they are not able the watch it live that is).
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
But I totally understand that it is a bad thing to attract new people. Money instantly discourage 95% of their potential viewers (if they are not able the watch it live that is). | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:48 KinosJourney2 wrote: I'm exactly the same, the second i saw that you had to sign up to watch SC2 live i didnt bother. Now later when i really felt like watching the GSL i signed up and the stream was so fucking laggy that i could only watch 3 sets before turning it off out of frustration. If GOM would allow their free content onto YouTube then they would get more exposure, but the best way to further e-sports would that all their content except a Ultra-quality stream with a chat window implemented would be free. They can't just start taking payments for people to watch live streams of a relatively new game. I have never gotten into anything that requires me to pay first, so i'm 100% sure that GOM will never get anywhere except for diehard fans paying for their services. The GOM stream is one of the best out there, you have no right to complain about that. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
paying to watch previous seasons doesnt make too sense .... Edit: even on previous topics people are discussing what the op meant, even I mistook, he is telling about people that arent familiar and wont wake up 4-6-2 am to watch then will never watch a gsl game because it's kinda troublesome to get into it.... Perhaps someone should suggest gom guys do a youtube channel with highlights or free old games (like season 1 or 2) | ||
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Occidental
United States14 Posts
It is in their own best interest to charge reasonably for their entertainment. Personally, I think a season of GSL is a much better deal than an alternative for the same cost, say, seeing a movie in the theatres. I guess what I am saying here is that GOM is in no way "supposed" to further esports. Of course, it is in their best interest if esports really takes off, but they don't have to do anything about attracting new viewers at all. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On January 31 2011 22:07 Occidental wrote: I guess what I am saying here is that GOM is in no way "supposed" to further esports. Of course, it is in their best interest if esports really takes off, but they don't have to do anything about attracting new viewers at all. Isn't this one of the major reasons why Blizzard chose Gretech rather than allowing Kespa to do what they were doing? | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 31 2011 22:07 Occidental wrote: As a company, GOM has every right to charge whatever they want to for their services. If the prices are outrageous there will simply be no demand for GOM's content and the prices will lower or the company will fail. It is in their own best interest to charge reasonably for their entertainment. Personally, I think a season of GSL is a much better deal than an alternative for the same cost, say, seeing a movie in the theatres. I guess what I am saying here is that GOM is in no way "supposed" to further esports. Of course, it is in their best interest if esports really takes off, but they don't have to do anything about attracting new viewers at all. What about denying your competitors (i.e: OGN and MBC) from broadcasting e-sports? They can only charge people only because they are preventing others from entering the market and it is damaging Starcraft 2's overall growth | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
maybe gom will release some time the old seasons for free, but I don't care too much - especially because I think the games have gotten better from season to season. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 31 2011 22:22 Markus138 wrote: I love watching gsl so far and because of that I find the price _really_ cheap. maybe gom will release some time the old seasons for free, but I don't care too much - especially because I think the games have gotten better from season to season. Its about the exposure to people who haven`t watched GSL games yet. | ||
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Mirosuu
England283 Posts
I didn't drop the money for GSL 1-3 but I thought "What the hell" with GSL 4. I can honestly say I'm going to probably pay for GSL 5, mainly because of the fact I saw so many entertaining games, and so many hours of good content. Don't pay the money if you so wish, all I can say is that you're missing out. | ||
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mofoo
Sweden96 Posts
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Longshank
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GreenFaction
United States82 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On January 31 2011 22:45 aimaimaim wrote: most people here didn't really get what the OP was trying to convey .. sigh On January 31 2011 23:13 ShcShc wrote: Its about the exposure to people who haven`t watched GSL games yet. People do understand what the OP is trying to say. And the answer people give is: "It doesn't cost a lot of money". I think it is OP and friends who don't understand: 1) economics 2) marketing Every product out there has marketing (advertising) around it. Everything, from drinks, household products, luxury products and even charity. This is what Tastosis is asking you to do. ADVERTISE. BRAND RECOGNITION. Every product out there has a price tag. Pepsi, toilet paper, perfume and donating to charity. Now tell me how it "hurts" these companies like Pepsi and Chanel that costumers have to pay for their products. I don't see the difference between a company as GoMTV and Pepsi or Sony Ericsson. But I don't see you yell: "WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER IF WE GET FREE SMARTPHONES" Then Sony Ericsson will sure be the number one used/known cell phone. Sure, but that isn't how the world works. Thus, all these answers: "It doesn't cost a lot of money" are VERY valid answers. P.S.: I am bothered by all these "Why can't everything be free" posts. Seriously, are you all 12 year old? You want E-sports to grow but it has to be free? Then who the F is going to put all the money in to make it grow? | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On January 31 2011 16:59 StUfF wrote: Players need to make money. Companies need to make money. Advertisers need to make money. E-sports is a business in the end. I don't think they care if they don't attract watchers who don't want to spend on their entertainment - "success" of e-sports is only secondary to making a goddamn living. No one is challenging that, but asking people to pay for HQ stream sounds like GOM trying to make more money. I also think that all the microtransactions for seasonal / daily tickets does cost money as well for the whole bureaucracy involved in that. Personally I dont like paying for that when it would be easier if GOM just made a deal with an ad company to provide localized ads for each country like the ESL seems to be able to. It is entirely possible to get these ad sponsors and the ad breaks are in there already, so why waste money and time to force people to do it individually? | ||
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betaV1.25
425 Posts
I think however that the payment options for gom are 2 slim for young viewers. In europe it isnt that commen to get a credit card when you are 18. And i can for sure imagine that parents dont like the idea of online payment. anyway, if you have the option to pay.... i woudnt think twice just do it, you will never get more bang for your buck. | ||
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Torumfroll
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
HQ Live is horribe, way too much lag for us in Europe VODs are horrible, uses a very poor streamreader, and the amount of time it takes to stream a VOD is also terrible (damage). Only VODs that have been there for 2-3 days that noone watches is being streamed fast. Forget to watch a fresh VOD after coming home from work. Also notice one thing, its not about the amount of money, Im not greedy, I have money, but I will not be treated like shit. Why on earth would I pay for this? I just watch the vods free on sc2rep.com anyway. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
Invite people over to watch the games at a good time (pay for it yourself of course). A few years ago I started throwing UFC parties where I'd buy the PPV fight and my friends (who were not into MMA) would bring some pizza and beer. Turned out well and my friends then started watching fights on their own or at each other's houses (when I had work or wasn't around). | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:40 Koshi wrote: People do understand what the OP is trying to say. And the answer people give is: "It doesn't cost a lot of money". I think it is OP and friends who don't understand: 1) economics 2) marketing Every product out there has marketing (advertising) around it. Everything, from drinks, household products, luxury products and even charity. This is what Tastosis is asking you to do. ADVERTISE. BRAND RECOGNITION. Every product out there has a price tag. Pepsi, toilet paper, perfume and donating to charity. Now tell me how it "hurts" these companies like Pepsi and Chanel that costumers have to pay for their products. I don't see the difference between a company as GoMTV and Pepsi or Sony Ericsson. But I don't see you yell: "WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER IF WE GET FREE SMARTPHONES" Then Sony Ericsson will sure be the number one used/known cell phone. Sure, but that isn't how the world works. Thus, all these answers: "It doesn't cost a lot of money" are VERY valid answers. P.S.: I am bothered by all these "Why can't everything be free" posts. Seriously, are you all 12 year old? You want E-sports to grow but it has to be free? Then who the F is going to put all the money in to make it grow? You just don't seem to get that growth in itself is an important aspect. You're making people pay at a critical phase where e-sports should be about growth. Facebook and Youtube would not be valued at 50 billion $ / bought out at 10 billion $ had it gone through a sort of payment system GOM is doing. Granted, the streaming is expensive and that is understandable; what is not is preventing MBC and OGN from televising these games. And I will assure you that there will be NO BRAND RECOGNITION if people constantly cut exposure. How is preventing GSL matches from being uploaded to youtube help GSL grow? We can either stay the small niche audience (which seems to be a lot of people content with) or we can encourage e-sports to gain a certain number of audiences that would later on be a lot more profitable and bigger. Starcraft 2 has a lot more potential just internet streaming. | ||
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