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On January 30 2011 23:45 LetoAtreides82 wrote:From what I remember Torch was in GSL Open Season 1, he made it to the round of 32 I think. Not enough to get into code A. EDIT: I'm wrong, he was eliminated in round of 64. Here's the vod link for those who haven't seen it: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/vod/1031
Wow such a throwback.
I always thought Season 1's intro was the coolest and the production, like the camera, was so amateurish compared to how it is now.
It's so sad that Torch was ONE STEP AWAY from getting the Code A... and also losing to sadZenith back then? I'm pretty sure he could stomp over him if he had the chance to rematch in the current state of the game...
Oh well... always next season...
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On January 30 2011 23:31 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
e - nm, i'm dumb.
anyways, grats to those who made it in!
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On January 31 2011 00:12 dras wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:31 FXOpen wrote:On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0). why would you go to korea if you only play 8 games a week.
..because he is the manager of the team which Moonglade is on. Moonglade got one of the seeded Code A positions.
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is artosis playing protoss in this qualfiier and not zerg??
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i think artosis would had a problem playing in the gsl since he has a contract with gomtv to cast these games
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On January 31 2011 00:19 Esel wrote:
i think artosis would had a problem playing in the gsl since he has a contract with gomtv to cast these games
He played in GSL1, and they replaced him for that one game with another caster. Similarly, when Tasteless and Artosis went to Blizzcon, they were replaced for 2-3 days of casting in the R064/32 of GSL2.
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Our assumptions are that, rather being good, you have to be solid and consistent to get into GSL. You have to be able to win time and time again vs any strategy. Being an all in player, or a cheeser, you will not get to the point you will get into code A. Which is contrary to popular belief. We saw cheesers make 2nd 3rd round, only to get smashed by one guy who plays his strats differently. You really do have to be a solid player.
I am very glad to hear that!
IMO solid, consistent players (see Jinro) are way more fun to watch, than one trick ponys. We did see a significant failure rate for cheesers/all-inners this season (GSL 2011 January), I'm glad the system is weeding them out.
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Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
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On January 31 2011 00:34 Termit wrote:
Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
what? please don't tell me that is true
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Artosis played P and he is good for someone who doesn't play  ....
The reason I played in GSL, was to bring analysis to the foreigners, so that hopefully people will understand that if they do come, they wont get stomped. Not to mention the life experiences it entales.
Its rather disappointing that some of the greater players from outside of Korea are too lazy/wont make the effort/cant be bothered or simply havent got the support, to come to korea, arent here...
I could list maybe 30 players-50 players who would challenge for spots in code A. On top of that, the likelyhood of being picked up by a team is huge. The game is fresh ppl are always on the look out for new talent.
Ret is playing zerg.
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On January 31 2011 00:37 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 00:34 Termit wrote:
Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea. what? please don't tell me that is true
Thats what he said to CatZ.
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Its rather disappointing that some of the greater players from outside of Korea are too lazy/wont make the effort/cant be bothered or simply havent got the support, to come to korea, arent here...
Foreigner seeding and GOM foreigner house will certainly help with that!
Thanks for being so informative/supportive, FXOpen!
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On January 31 2011 00:12 Babaganoush wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:45 LetoAtreides82 wrote:On January 30 2011 23:36 FXOpen wrote:
yes and previous code A player From what I remember Torch was in GSL Open Season 1, he made it to the round of 32 I think. Not enough to get into code A. EDIT: I'm wrong, he was eliminated in round of 64. Here's the vod link for those who haven't seen it: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/vod/1031 Wow such a throwback. I always thought Season 1's intro was the coolest and the production, like the camera, was so amateurish compared to how it is now. It's so sad that Torch was ONE STEP AWAY from getting the Code A... and also losing to sadZenith back then? I'm pretty sure he could stomp over him if he had the chance to rematch in the current state of the game... Oh well... always next season...
S1 was the best one! How everybody can forget Tester vs Hyperdub set1 and Tester vs NEXFreeSaGa set3 and Polt vs MC set2... Best games by far I've ever seen!!!
Oh, I need to go watch em again now =D
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Wow = /. Only the seeded foriengors made it in? thats rough
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On January 30 2011 23:31 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0). There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way. Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on... Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before. Like... grr.
The results really do look that way... We know better, but the results, and the seeds in particular, make it look like foreigners need a pass in order to qualify.
I think Ret is easily good enough for Code A (better than most of the Code A players from last season for sure), but he just got knocked back to the qualification tournament. It's like they're saying "Don't worry, we really want foreigners to play, so you're back in." Haypro is good, but... The way this is set up, people are going to assume he's one of the top 6 foreign players (4 seeds + Jinro & IdrA).
I'm not trying to talk crap about any of these players. They're all much much better than me. I just hope people don't think the seeded players are necessarily the best non-Koreans.
Imagine if they had let the 4 seeded players qualify, and picked 4 other top foreigners to get seeds. We'd probably still have Ret and Huk in Code A (maybe moonglade and haypro), and there would be 4 other very talented foreigners competing.
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Correct. However, its up to the players to push to get to Korea so that one day the "top 4 foreigners'' are the ones being seeded.
To be honest, there was almost a situation where the seeds disappeared, because alot of players who said they were coming, didn't. So the number of foreigners left was minimal at best.
Although I have odd opinions, as I am not the most social and politically correct person. But I think alot of people need to pull their finger out if they plan on being sponsored and playing at the worlds biggest lans. Because the experience of GSL qualification is so much more valuable than any practice on NA/SEA/EU/RU.
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On January 31 2011 01:06 Omnipresent wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:31 FXOpen wrote:On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0). There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way. Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on... Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before. Like... grr. The results really do look that way... We know better, but the results, and the seeds in particular, make it look like foreigners need a pass in order to qualify. I think Ret is easily good enough for Code A (better than most of the Code A players from last season for sure), but he just got knocked back to the qualification tournament. It's like they're saying "Don't worry, we really want foreigners to play, so you're back in." Haypro is good, but... The way this is set up, people are going to assume he's one of the top 6 foreign players (4 seeds + Jinro & IdrA). I'm not trying to talk crap about any of these players. They're all much much better than me. I just hope people don't think the seeded players are necessarily the best non-Koreans. Imagine if they had let the 4 seeded players qualify, and picked 4 other top foreigners to get seeds. We'd probably still have Ret and Huk in Code A (maybe moonglade and haypro), and there would be 4 other very talented foreigners competing.
But the 4 players were likely chosen from this thread. It's a process heavily influenced by the players and not just GOM picking who they think is best. Also, Nazgul recommended that people vote for those people who can travel and stay in Korea (or are already there) so that votes don't get wasted on people who have other obligations.
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On January 31 2011 01:12 FXOpen wrote:
Correct. However, its up to the players to push to get to Korea so that one day the "top 4 foreigners'' are the ones being seeded.
I like this sentiment, but then I don't understand why they even thought about seeds to begin with. The only reason seeds made sense in the first place was that they were trying to draw specific top players (rather than promote the best players that had already made the move). Maybe it really was all about marketing, but that doesn't bode well for an organization trying to host a legitimate tournament. It sort of undermines the whole process.
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They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
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So... people are now up in arms about foreigners seeded in Code A? Is that what people are getting at, or is it just me who woke up from my sleep in the morning?
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